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[–]firmness -9 ポイント-8 ポイント  (163子コメント)

She sexually assaulted him. If a male fan got on stage and started rubbing up on a female performer, something tells me that it would not be well received. There is an easy way to avoid getting punched in the face - don't sexually assault people.

Stop victim blaming. He defended himself. Period.

[–]kthu1hu [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

How the fuck is this him defending himself? She was barely grinding on him. And aside from that, do you understand how fucking ridiculous it is to hit someone that fucking hard the way he did to her? Why do you need to exert so much force on someone like that when you can just push them away without having to potentially injure them severely? There are so many ways to go about things. Literally, many. Why do you need so much fucking violence to defend yourself for something that isn't life threatening? Was there a gun in her asshole that at any moment would have blown him a new one if he didn't take her out immediately? So many different ways to go about things, but who am I kidding, humans will forever resort to most retarded reasons to justify unnecessary, over the top violence.

[–]SasquatchPhD 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (121子コメント)

I don't know what world you live in, but that's conflict escalation. He could've put that girl in a fucking coma.

[–]IDontMindTurtles [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Yep. I agree with you. He could have put that girl in a coma and nobody deserves a coma for that. What she did was inappropriate but he unnecessarily escalated the conflict to an unreasonable height.

I also agree with firmness though in that if you are going to sexually harass someone, getting punched in the face as an outcome that is entirely possible.

I would expect that if I tried that on a woman in a crowded place, the same thing would happen to me. Actually my wife would probably rip my balls off and shove them down my throat before the crowd got within a metre of me... but you get my point.

[–]Marokiii [非表示スコア]  (8子コメント)

so if i go to a all female bands show and they have no security, i(a small guy) can sneak up onto stage and rub up against the female performers? conflict escalation says they cant really do anything more than what im doing, so they can i guess gently push me away. or i guess in the super loud setting they can ask me politely to respect their personal space.

or the more likely completely accepted socially response from them is to start smacking me about the head as hard as they can. probably with some kicks to the crotch thrown in(literally have heard women talk about their self defense courses say if a guy gets in their personal space, its dont ask questions or try to brush him off, kick him in the crotch and run).

all of this ends up with me being arrested for sexual assault because its a guy rubbing himself up against a female in public.

[–]MattThePirate [非表示スコア]  (7子コメント)

I can't tell....is this sarcasm? It has to be sarcasm, right?

[–]Likely_Lunatic [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

There is a large amount of people looking for male discrimination justice in this thread, I would just go home and forget it man.

[–]MeEvilBob [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Well it can't be double standards that's for sure.

[–]dorestes [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

i sure hope it is. Because it's terrifying if not.

[–]IcrapRainbows [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

It's like people miraculously forget a women probably wouldn't be able to knock a man out like this douche bag did to the woman.

[–]dorestes [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

oh, they haven't forgotten. They just want to have the world back where it's OK for men to do this to women, because it's OK for both genders to do it to each other, so they're "even."

It's the gender assault version of Anatole France's "the equal majesty of the law forbids both the rich and poor to sleep under bridges."

[–]scag315 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

You can also kill somebody by kicking them hard enough in the balls. Assault is Assault. I'm not defending the guys actions at all but security should've handled the situation before she had a chance to touch him. You don't touch performers, period. Not saying it gives the consequence free right to punch you in the face but You shouldn't be surprised if you do. There will be consequences, as there should be, but this woman ran The risk herself.

[–]thedarlingbear [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Haha I am assuming this is sarcasm because otherwise it is ridiculous

[–]gulmari [非表示スコア]  (103子コメント)

I don't know what world you live in, but that's conflict escalation. He could've put that girl in a fucking coma

What the fuck does her gender have to do with it? It seems you're only saying that because it was a woman.

She could have very easily not been punched in the face by not sneaking her way on stage and sexually assaulting one of the performers. Her gender is irrelevant here. A person defended themselves from someone who was sexually assaulting them.

Swap the genders and you'd have an entirely different tone.

[–]czhunc [非表示スコア]  (26子コメント)

Gender has nothing to do with it (besides the fact that he said "that girl"? What should he have said? The individual? That person?). If someone's rubbing up on you on the club (note that I didn't mention ANYONE's gender), the appropriate response is to move away, to tell them to stop, to give them a gentle nudge away, or even a not so gentle nudge away, or to inform security. What's not appropriate is to hit them with a wild haymaker that literally makes you stumble after the punch lands in the other person's face. That's what he means by conflict escalation.

edit

For all you people telling me that he thought someone was about to shoot him or shank him or whatever, here's a video showing that he saw the woman on stage 10 seconds before he punched her. Dancing, drunk, acting stupid, with a drink in her hand.

[–]SpeciousArguments [非表示スコア]  (21子コメント)

in the club =/= on the stage

[–]indrion [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

Regardless he used much more force than was needed. If a cop rushed the stage and hit her the same way he did you'd be losing your shit.

[–]MeEvilBob [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Except unlike the cop, this performer would end up in jail, not at home on a 3 week paid vacation pending a minor slap on the wrist.

[–]Hesperus [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, because they would have been watching the whole thing and wouldn't have been snuck up on.

[–]WhitbyRoadSoldier [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Great analogy. Seen it plenty of times where bouncers totally use excessive force to the point where the acts aren't impressed...it's as if people in this thread expect people at gigs not to be excited/drunk or a combination.

[–]czhunc [非表示スコア]  (12子コメント)

On the streets. Walking on the bridge. Walking to class. Walking up the stairs. Waiting in line in the coffee shop. Waiting for the elevator. Playing a gig on stage. What the fuck do you want?

[–]welcome2screwston [非表示スコア]  (11子コメント)

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/dimebag-darrell-murdered/

I'd bet this is why he freaked out.

edit: remember how John Lennon shook hands with his killer before he killed him? That's a lot more personal than making eye contact.

[–]czhunc [非表示スコア]  (10子コメント)

Yeah, the TMZ article said "The rep claims there was also a lack of security at the venue to keep fans off the stage."

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2015/02/17/afroman-arrested-punches-fan-on-stage/#ixzz3S5KP32D6

At the same time, he didn't even bother to look at what was going on to assess the situation. I'll wait until I hear what he has to say about it, but at this time, do you honestly believe that his life was in imminent danger? From what I see, he was just fucking pissed. This person was grinding on him, and he was annoyed.

Also, what kind of fucking assassin grinds on you first? That's what he was reacting to, not someone being behind him, or someone approaching him in a threatening manner. And if someone did come on stage with a gun, there would be screams. The crowd was behaving normally. Anyway, that's my bullshit Reddit detective analysis. Someone rubbed on him. He got pissed. He punched her.

edit

This video shows him looking at the woman about 10 seconds before he hit her. He knew exactly what was going on.

[–]welcome2screwston [非表示スコア]  (7子コメント)

I don't know what he thought about his life being in imminent danger, but somebody being on stage when they aren't supposed to is a huge no-no. It's like running onto the field during a football game, but this time a player took him down. The Ohio State strength coach took some flak for leveling the kid that ran onto the field, but frankly he didn't make the wrong decision.

Another thing; Afroman is a shady guy. He writes songs about getting high, is mildly famous, is probably involved in some less-than-stellar things, and is a musician in the zone onstage when he was probably advised to be wary of what was going on.

Watch it again. He doesn't wait for her to rub up and down a few times before swinging. She touches him, he realizes it, he swings as he turns. If I were an artist performing on-stage and I felt somebody that I knew wasn't supposed to be there, my first thought isn't to analyze the situation, it's "holy shit somebody's up here with me" and I would probably react a little more intensely than if somebody accidentally bumped into me.

[–]czhunc [非表示スコア]  (6子コメント)

Again, what kind of assassin bumps you with his ass before he pops a cap in you?

[–]Lots42 [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Emphasis on bullshit.

[–]czhunc [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Watch the video. He knew exactly who was on stage with him.

[–]Hash43 [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

Same rules apply.

[–]DeckerR [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Not even close.

[–]cannibalAJS [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Actually, really damn close.

[–]wubbywu [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

in the club you are more likely to get that type of response anyways. freaking ridiculous how people defend this woman.

[–]awesomesauce217 [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

I do agree with your point, but with such a short gif its hard to get the full story. Perhaps he did move away or push her away before and she just kept coming back. I'm not saying that he should have turned and smacked her as hard as he did but we don't know the whole story.

[–]czhunc [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

I mean, I guess the police thought it was serious enough to warrant arresting him. He said that he didn't know if it was a man or a woman, but the point is, it doesn't matter. He didn't try to do anything to mitigate the situation or do anything about it before resorting to violence. That's not any way to go through life, man. If your VERY FIRST response to an irritating situation is to punch the everliving shit out of someone, you're going to end up in the back of the squad car.

[–]Tullamore_Who [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I'm being neutral here but an arrest alone means nothing. Convictions matter.

Or to admit gray areas... at the least, DA's deciding to prosecute might be a sign of something.

[–]awesomesauce217 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I'm not disagreeing with you that what he did was wrong. I think that was definitely not the way anybody should handle that situation. I was saying that if someone had just seen the little clip they couldn't possibly know the full story. Now that I have seen the full clip it just reassures the fact that what he did was wrong.

[–]EnemySoil [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Well it was a girl, how else can you refer to her?

[–]Fuego_Fiero [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

He could have roughly pushed her and achieved the desired result. His response was totally out of line and I would consider it assault. She might also be guilty of assault, but of a lesser nature. She could get a small fine and mandatory counseling; he could be facing Jail time depending on priors.

[–]coporate [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

he could of also pushed her off the stage by accident.

[–]1ReallybigTank [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

You're right his response was out of line. I understand the point that some people are making that a women could hit a man that hard and it would be seen as self-defense. In both scenarios hitting someone is out of line. In any event, we as humans should never justify violence. No matter what.

[–]HotTyre [非表示スコア]  (28子コメント)

It's not the gender. It's the fact he is 50kg heavier, and should therefore show some restraint in his response.

Response was appropriate, but use of force was too high. I would say exactly the same if a muscular woman punched a scrawny guy.

[–]Xuttuh [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

you dont stop to check out the weight of someone who is sexually assaulting you, you defend yourself.

[–]HotTyre [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Oh come on, we had fun with the sexual assault thing, but let's be serious for a second here. It's not like he didn't have a second to assess before hitting. It was not a major, violent assault on his person that would warrant a knee-jerk reaction like that.

[–]Xuttuh [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

how does he know it wouldn't have quickly escalated to a violent sexual assault. He was looking at the guitar, doing his job, when someone came up to his blind side and roughly rubbed themself over him. Ask yourself this, would you left me do this to your mother?

[–]coporate [非表示スコア]  (16子コメント)

And she could have had a knife or weapon, the weight argument falls out the window since everyone can easily conceal or gain access to weapons. Also how is he supposed to know that she was a women when she snuck up behind him?

[–]Hash43 [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

Are you serious? She was drunk and rubbing her ass on him, what the fuck kind of situation do you see happening that involves her pulling out a knife and stabbing him in front of a crowd of people?

[–]Hesperus [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Do you know who Dimebag Darrell was?

[–]coporate [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

why do you think they have security at concerts? Why do you think they have security stopping people from getting on stage?

It's not that difficult for someone to push a performer off the stage when they're trying to concentrate on what they're doing, especially with chords around and if you're drunk and stumbling.

He reacted in the way he felt was most appropriate at the time, she should never have put herself or him in that position to act that way, and for that, I can't blame his reaction. We shouldn't be condemning him because he acted in a way which he felt was appropriate, we should be supporting him, his behaviour was natural, and there's nothing wrong with what he did.

Now if it was on the street and she wasn't sexually assaulting him, then that's a different story entirely. But the context here is important.

[–]MaxiMArginal [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

He reacted in the way he felt was most appropriate at the time

he just lost his shit like the title says, and overeacted, that's not the same thing.

We shouldn't be condemning him because he acted in a way which he felt was appropriate, we should be supporting him, his behaviour was natural, and there's nothing wrong with what he did.

Are you american ? I feel it's because of people like you policemen don't get any problem after killing a not-so-dangerous guy. also being educated pushes us off being natural. do you eat with your hands ? do you shit on your neighor lawn ?

[–]letthedownvotesflow [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Just like the guy who killed John Lennon got his autograph earlier in the day.

[–]HotTyre [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

"snuck up"? Oh come on people are turning this into assault and whatnot.

I mean, we're not filling in a police report or arguing like lawyers in court here. You do live in society around people every day don't you? Do you really go by your life knee-jerking to everyone because they can be potential threats, not letting anyone less than 2m of your person?

Come on... You're responsible of the way you handle a situation no matter what your feelings are. You don't just react without thinking, because that lands you in jail or gets you arrested, just like this gentleman.

[–]probably_aroused [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

Justifying violence with "what if"? A misbehavior cannot justify a felony/violence. Just because a person acts out or does dumb shit doesn't give anyone but the police/judge the right to punish her. Or do you support vigilantism?

[–]coporate [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

no, but I don't support demonizing masculine behaviour because it poses a threat to stupid people.

[–]UnoriginalRhetoric [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

This is masculine behavior to you?

I think we see the root of the problem. You have confused masculine with cavemen.

[–]AidyD [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Your confusing reckless and dangerous aggression with masculinity. Stop shitting on my gender. Sexist.

[–]Silver_Agocchie [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

The point is that she was not actively presenting a threat. Sure she was being a jerk, and he may have felt threatened, but he resorted to a level of force that could cause serious injury before taking any other steps to control her actions.

Self-defense is about controlling the situation and your opponents actions such that they are unable to cause you harm. Force should only be used when all other methods and tactics have failed, and only only at a level appropriate to the threat being faced.

Yes, she may have been carrying a weapon, but last I checked butt-grinding against your opponent is not exactly number 1 on the list of effective aggressive and dangerous stances. She irritating, but unlikely dangerous, and nothing she did justifies getting hit so hard both her feet leave the ground.

[–]coporate [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

it was a slap to the face of a drunken person who wasn't expecting it.

Why do you think he shrugged his shoulders after, hint, because he didn't expect that kind of reaction.

[–]Silver_Agocchie [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Before she was a potentially dangerous armed threat that a heavier man should use his full advantage to defeat. Now she is just an unexpectant drunk girl.

He didn't expect it because he didn't even bother to look and see who or what was going on. He just took a full armed swing when a push out of the way and stern words may have worked. That's not how a man in control of his actions behaves.

[–]turtle_power00 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Drunk? Who said anything about drunk?

[–]iLiketrains131 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

It was less of a slap and more him grabbing her face and throwing her on the ground. Not to mention he reared up and everything for the hit. It was pretty obviously meant to do some damage.

[–]FormerlytheChosenOne [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

He didn't know what she looked like, he felt her rubbing on him and he reacted. I would think your defense would be logical if he saw her. In this gif he is reacting.

[–]HotTyre [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

If that's the case then he's even more in the wrong. You don't swing randomly like that. He's the kind of asshole who punches an innocent bystander because someone pushed him in the subway and he couldn't be arsed to turn around and assess the situation before being an asshole.

[–]SpeciousArguments [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

no, its the gender.

[–]HotTyre [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

No, it's not.

Life would be much easier if we never argumented. Just state your opinion no matter how assumed or far-fetched it is, and keep rehearsing it when opposed by arguments.

No, it's not gender.

[–]agnaram [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

Let's stop to revaluate the weight and fitness of every individual in every situation before taking action. There's so many cases where it would have ended badly if people just stopped to consider that before taking action. When in a potentionally threatening situation, it isn't really that usual to take precautions of it being the best case scenario.

[–]AidyD [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Yea like Oscar Pistorious didn't check for details first, just fucking shoot/kill first ask questions later and victim blame. The American way!

[–]agnaram [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Do you honestly think there is no difference between punching someone who is in physical contact with you in a restricted where they have no reason to be, and shooting someone though a door without seeing them first in a house where you live with other people?

[–]HotTyre [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Let's stop to revaluate the weight and fitness of every individual in every situation before taking action.

Yes, you're accountable for your actions so yes, when it comes down to punching someone you show more or less restraint depending if they're a 200kg dude or a 10yo little girl. If you punch without even seeing the person then you're a grade A asshole. The kind who swings at an innocent person behind him at a bar because someone pinched his ass and he couldn't be arsed to look back and assess before swinging.

There's so many cases where it would have ended badly if people just stopped to consider that before taking action.

This is not one of those cases.

When in a potentionally threatening situation, it isn't really that usual to take precautions of it being the best case scenario

aka the 'stand your ground' mentality. Many have it, but it is widely criticized worldwide.

[–]justsoberthings [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

S/he never mentioned gender (outside of gendered pronoun usage), you did. Sounds like you're just itching to get some men's rights stuff off your chest.

You're right, men are capable of being assualted, raped, oppressed. Even white ones. It doesn't happen as often but it happens and it's not okay.

We done? Cool.

You can not use that much force on someone much smaller than you unless your person is at risk. It's unlikely a judge would find her behaviour to be overly threatening. He used WAY too much force and risked seriously injuring her. He's going to be in a lot of trouble.

[–]m1m [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

You brought up the gender issue, not the guy you're responding to.

Why is gender an issue to you?

If a woman slapped a guy for this Id still think it's insane. Why do you assume others wouldn't agree?

Are you so fucking pathetic that you can't see things outside of a gender lens? What he did was fucking senseless.

[–]obadetona [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

What the fuck does her gender have to do with it? It seems you're only saying that because it was a woman.

MY BRAIN! You're the one who brought up gender!!!

[–]Hash43 [非表示スコア]  (39子コメント)

The guy could have defended himself without smacking her as hard as possible. What's he even defending himself against? Someone rubbing their butt on him? Oh what a poor man, thank God he was able to defend himself!

[–]FormerlytheChosenOne [非表示スコア]  (37子コメント)

A penis isn't that scary either. I don't want to hear you complaining when I rub mine on you unexpectedly.

[–]letthedownvotesflow [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Yup sexual assault is nothing, he is a guy so he obviously wanted it right?

[–]Tegil [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Not everyone responds to diplomacy. But Everyone responds to violence.

[–]Leowolf [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

As a performer I'm not there for conflict so conflict escalation is not an option. Conflict resolution is. 3 hits are perfect trinity: you hit me, I hit you, you hit the floor. thats not to say you shouldn't feel bad afterwards... but I'd rather feel bad than feel nothing because I'm dead.

[–]xSN1p3Rx [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

one less dumb cunt

[–]Xuttuh [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

and she could have given him an STI. Sexual assault is no laughing matter.

[–]Hash43 [非表示スコア]  (5子コメント)

How about we don't make this into another "IF THAT WAS A MAN!" discussion and agree that the way he handled things was over the top. He did not think "someone is sexually assaulting me I must defend myself", he thought "this woman is pissing me the fuck off I'm gonna punch her in the face".

[–]Hesperus [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

He hadn't looked at the person, how was he supposed to know it was a woman?

Also, it was a slap, not a punch. Everyone saying it was a punch is just presenting evidence they aren't looking at the situation rationally.

[–]Audrake [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

She was reportedly bleeding, so I'm gonna say it doesn't matter if it was a punch or a slap. Also he saw her.

[–]ihavehere [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Pretty sure if you watch the video, its questionable that his brain has time to register "this is a woman" before swinging at someone who came up behind him. Don't mistake overreaction for intention.

[–]DrJimERustler [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Excellent observation! Now we just need devices that read your thoughts so we know whether anyone hit in self-defense or not.

We'll call it the Muh-Sojiny Detector. And if you don't allow them to put one on you, you get charged with thoughtrape.

[–]Awhite2555 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

How is that sexual assault at all? She's dancing and her butt touches him slightly. Let's stop victim shaming here. Nobody was in the right, but he was far more in the wrong.

[–]simplisto [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Oh, here we go again.

Women get criticised simply reporting an assault to the police. If a woman knocked out a guy half her size for what they would argue as being 'playful', Reddit's anti-feminist brigade would lose its shit.

[–]wubbywu [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

i agree with you. fuck everyone else

[–]TheNameIsWiggles [非表示スコア]  (5子コメント)

/r/TheRedPill is leaking

[–]Hrodrik [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Go read the posts in the link you posted and then come back and tell us how many advocate beating women.

[–]dorestes [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

Few hives of scum and villainy as weird and annoying as the Terpers.

[–]Hrodrik [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Yeah, all the posts they make all over reddit, and the way they brigade to downvote shit is really annoying. Oh wait, that's SJWs.

[–]dorestes [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't know.

[–]moethebartender [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

That place makes /r/MensRights look like the women's studies department at UC Santa Cruz.

[–]vanm5 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

You're a fucking idiot

[–]FormerlytheChosenOne [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I had to look at the URL to make sure I didn't stumble into /r/TheRedPill.

[–]telnor [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

sexually assaulted him haha. So what if she put her arm around him? Is that also sexual assault? So when exactly does physical contact become sexual assault?

[–]angryjungler [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

When its unwanted?

[–]Sreyz [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Trolling, yeah?