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[–]Bla34112 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (44子コメント)

Is that in any way historically accurate?

[–]Suecotero 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (34子コメント)

Yes. Mixed fighting units are well-documented in germanic and steppe tribes. The whole tribe is on the move, so defeat means the women will probably die shortly after. Better to die fighting :)

[–]sloppies 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah. Essentially it was men first into battle, followed by women and the weaker men, followed by kids.

Women were noted for being really fierce because if they had to fight it meant the men were dead and they were the only ones stopping the enemy from killing/capturing their children.

[–]LolFishFailMan of Relatively Poor Grade Bronze: The Movie 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Better to die fighting :)

Never has an emote looked more sinister.

[–]Suecotero 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Valar Morghulis

:)

[–]jeegte12Ή ταν ή επί τας 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But it doesn't even sound cool...

[–]SaxonShieldwallSpear Warband > You 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (20子コメント)

well-documented...sounds like roman propaganda "These barbarians send there WOMEN into battle!", but perhaps.

edit: what the hell this turned into a full fledged debate

[–]Suecotero 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Plenty of viking accounts where they themselves talk about warrior women.

[–]hulibuli 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be fair, viking accounts also talk about jotuns and witchcraft among Finnish people (or more likely Sami in this case).

[–]Suecotero 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, but when both vikings and their enemies report seeing women on the battlefield, they are most likely not a hallucination. :)

[–]SaxonShieldwallSpear Warband > You 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (14子コメント)

vikings, around 500 years later.

[–]Suecotero 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (13子コメント)

We have no reason to believe proto-scandinavians evolved drastically different customs over that time period to suddenly allow women to wage war. More likely, these small raiding societies had a women warrior tradition all along, supporting the idea that Roman witness accounts were not just propaganda. These customs would likely carry over to many germanic tribes, whose language and pantheon all hail from proto-germanic cultures originating in scandinavia, again chiming in with Roman accounts of germanic tribes.

[–]SaxonShieldwallSpear Warband > You 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I think we should, the year 1500 and the year 2000 have drastically different customs and culture, alot happens in 500 years.

[–]Suecotero 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The comparison is not apt. There's the small detail of the scientific revolution happening in that time period. Compare a nordic Iron age axe with the Viking Axe used 500 years later.

[–]SaxonShieldwallSpear Warband > You 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its not so much different today man

[–]DunDunDunDuuun 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Compare this with a modern axe. Obviously different /s

[–]hmunkey 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

…except axes aren't our primary weapons so that's a dumb comparison. Compare an ancient axe to a medieval axe to a modern rifle and you can see the drastically accelerating rate of technological change.

[–]chrisps989Sons of Sigmar! 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

But there were radically different cultures, we're talking about the Enlightenment, the Industrial Revolution and numerous other inventions versus the earliest middle ages.

[–]SaxonShieldwallSpear Warband > You -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Pretty much, 0-500-1000-1500-2000 are like new worlds compared to eachother. Im too high for this.

[–]chrisps989Sons of Sigmar! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

0-500 and 500-1000 weren't that different. Sure, armies and tactics were different but societies weren't.

[–]ColonelBunkyMustardVictori spolia 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

the whole significance of the Dark Ages was that there was little to no development taking place. We know that there were accounts of female warriors before this time period and we know there are accounts of female warriors after, so what would make this time period of 300AD-800AD so different that they would have stopped?

[–]CrazyLeprechaun 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's such generalization though. Sure western historians thought of it as a time of stagnation because the places where progress was usually made (Italy and Greece) were quite stagnant. But at the same time, the Arab world was having their own golden age of science and learning. Meanwhile the Vikings were developing into Europe's, if not the world's, preeminent seafarers.

[–]SaxonShieldwallSpear Warband > You -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Christianity and its doctrine mostly conformed women as lesser, when it started to become the dominant religion peoples views changed and it spread, of course this is observation.

[–]myunfinishedtattoo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You had me at proto-scandinavians.

[–]zsajak 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

With accounts you mean mythological sagas, right?

[–]hulibuli 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is always the possibility for that of course. However, it can also be just that the Romans documented what they witnessed and spinned it to make enemies look worse or themselves better.

[–]samusjamus 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you have any sources? I could only see this as realistic if they were auto-milita for when the tribe or settlement was at the point of final destruction. Even then it was more like the men went to fight the army in the field and the women stayed to defend the baggage train or village.

[–]Suecotero -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Linked some other sources further on this thread.

[–]TreeOfMadrigal 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Somewhat. Women marching in armies is unlikely to have happened, but many sources do note women alongside barbarian tribes. Not usually in a front line combat role, but as support. Caesar, polybius, and Livy all note the presence of women traveling with migrating armies.

Some may be exaggerations, such as naked shrieking women throwing rocks over the heads of their men, but others are more realistic, of women and children following the army, as any honorable man would not flee battle through his family. This actually screwed the iceni, as they could not retreat through their families and were horridly slaughtered.

We have notes too, of women warriors, though I still highly doubt they would ever be in formation in a traveling army. That said, the taking of a town or city back then meant in no uncertain terms that every man would be killed, and every woman and child enslaved brutally. It seems perfectly reasonable that women would fight to defend their homes.

And keep in mind, Pyrrhus was famously killed when an old woman hit him in the head with a roof tile.

Anyway, to sum up: women in armies? Doubt it. Women in a Garrison? Very plausible. I'm at work on my phone right now, but am happy to dig up sources when I get home.

[–]Bla34112 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, in garrisons levy's I can see that.

[–]alekzander01Iron and Blood -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If the whole horde is on the move, I can't see why not

Scythian women fought didn't they? I think they only married after fighting.