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[–]lavaenema [非表示スコア]  (143子コメント)

homogeneous populations see less crime in general.

[–]ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [非表示スコア]  (90子コメント)

Except for pretty much every single place with a black majority.

[–]wolverstreets [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

We're going to ignore that part.

[–]hadoothegreat [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Yeah this thread is only for non-PC facts that are nice to minorities and women.

[–]DoItForTheTendies [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Lalalalalalalala!

covering ears

[–]hurpington [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

lol

[–]NanniLP [非表示スコア]  (35子コメント)

See, the funny thing is, the most racist thing you could possibly do is ignore that. "Oh, we can't say that black populations statistically have more crime, that fact is racist!" No it isn't! Facts can't have opinions! That sentence, though- that's racist. The idea that black people as a whole cannot tolerate that fact, that we must somehow "protect them" from statistics- that's racist as fuck. It just lets you ignore the problem! Of course highly black populations have a lot of crime! Do you know why? Because institutions have been in place, in one way or another, formally or informally, to keep minorities in America poor and desperate! Do you know what desperate people do? Commit crimes! It isn't inherent to people of color! A beloved Anglo hero named Robin Hood is supposed to teach that poor people will steal if given no recourse, and it's wrong to give people no recourse, it isn't fucking wrong for people to have one option and then take it (or so the story says, I guess).

And then people have the gall to ignore the cause of the problem, or worse, say it's inherent in their race to commit crime. No, the system in this country since 1492 and probably fucking earlier is what has the inherent problem.

And yeah, affirmative action isn't an elegant solution, but problems this fucking ugly and hard to even talk about don't tend to get solved in a pretty matter. "There is no political solution/ to our troubled evolution", motherfuckers. But I can tell you what won't help: victim blame. Victim blame has never, ever, ever done anything in history but perpetuate the cycle of violence.

There's my angry rant for the day! I need to remember to take my complacency meds! (And for some unnecessary clarification, I'm an average white guy. I have no stake in this fight, except on purely ideological levels.)

[–]PotentElixir [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

This is such an excellent comment.

[–]redefining_reality [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

The problem with affirmative action is that while what it attempts to create and build are wonderful, many programs get abused. Much like the welfare system, given enough time it will come to be expected rather that a means to an end.

I don't know if you have ever worked in an inner city, but a massive portion of people who are taking advantage of those programs (although more programs apply to minorities as a whole so it is more prevalent in minority populations) end up feeling entitled to them. Often instead of using these programs as a leg up and a means to an end, instead people tend to slowly develop this twisted sort of superiority complex that benefits nobody, because they feel as if they don't need to contribute because they get everything they want and need handed to them.

In a way affirmative action and social welfare programs actually prevent minority populations from improving themselves because instead they learn to rely on the state and social programs.

What these programs attempt to create is a great idea, but I find that in reality it actually hinders progress due to reliance on the programs instead of reliance on the individual.

This doesn't include the issues with watering down talent pools in order to fit demographics in civil service professions.

Civil service positions are supposed to be based 100% on test scores, however in some cities in order to fit a legally required demographic makeup, often that gets ignored.

This was a big problem with Philadelphia fire a little while back. More recently the Paterson police in NJ on their last hiring cycle (2 years ago) had to drop the minimum test scores by a significant amount to meet their legally required demographics.

If you're a police officer or a firefighter, do you want your partner to be the guy who got his position based on the merit he earned, or the guy that got jumped 300 spots because he fit the "preferred demographic for employment" (yes that's how it is described), even though he scored 15 points lower on the test?

Paterson PD on their last hiring cycle dropped their mandatory required minimum score from an 80% to a 68% or 70% (IIRC) in order to be able to fit the demographics required by the city. The last guys hired jumped literally hundreds of more qualified people that took the test only because of the color of their skin.

Many of the low end recruits failed out of the academy or had to be removed from their positions for incompetence and job performance issues, although the budget cuts didn't help either.

Needless to say Paterson's crime rates have skyrocketed in the last two years and they are looking at hiring on ~50 (from my sources) new officers in the 2015 cycle to make up for the massive understaffing they have at the moment. That number is huge when you consider the entire department is only 400 sworn officers and 125 civilian positions.

While I believe that affirmative action programs are put in place for what is ultimately a better big picture, I find often it falls sort in many applications.

Social welfare programs are an entirely separate issue I won't write about here, I just wanted to point out that these programs do have very real shortcomings.

[–]puzzleddaily [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Someday I should take one picture of a street in the projects and one of a working class street, on the same block, and see if people can guess which is which. Hint: one has mostly 5-10+ yo sedans, one has 1-2+ yo suvs. (But somehow all the hardworking Asians living in the projects have crappy cars, go figure.)

[–]eolson3 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

If we're removing the job candidate advantages for these other categories, then the huge advantages for veterans should go to. Getting into a federal position is ridiculous now. If enough veterans apply for a position, regardless of qualifications, then all other applicants are out of contention. No one even looks at your materials.

[–]JayceofSpades [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Thank you

[–]TheDrunkenChud [非表示スコア]  (18子コメント)

Ok, so explain the shit going on in Africa. I'm not pointing fingers, just playing devil's advocate here. Centuries of in fighting, warlords, genocide, etc. Sure, poverty is predominant, but at some point you have step back and say, "huh, this is the birthplace of humanity. Been full of people longer than anywhere else... why then, are conditions so poor?"

Seriously, I ask myself this all the time. I can't actually answer it. I want to answer it, so that it isn't so. But I can't figure it out. I mean, in the past, when people had no options, they migrated. Have they lost the migration instinct? None of it makes sense.

[–]naetdt [非表示スコア]  (11子コメント)

Imagine you're in your lil house in the suburbs somewhere out in the world. Now imagine hostile aliens invade the planet. They have weapons so advanced, the cache of ak-47's you keep for "self defense" as your goddammed constitutional right are utterly useless. Your country's military knows they pretty much are as useless as you in fighting these Martian fucks. So now your elected officials and military leaders are kissing alien ass to try and keep themselves in a halfway decent living situation.

Meanwhile, the alien scum are putting up flags and dividing up your homeland. Taking all the most productive and resource abundant areas for themselves, generally killing anyone who tries to stop them in the process, including other aliens.

By now the Martians have restructured the way shit runs down here. The former power elite are basically controlled completely by the aliens. The aliens use them to create a system that keeps everyone else in line, usually through violence, and place themselves above the system.

These alien fucks use their position of dominance to enrich themselves to the max, at the total expense of every human. There's no more money left for schools, or quality healthcare, food and luxury items are scarce, and the only infrastructure the aliens seem to give a shit about are bridges and roads that help them get more money.

While all this is going on, the aliens diseases are taking a serious toll on the human population. It doesn't help either, that the aliens seemingly have no moral issue with raping humans as they feel like it, furthering the spread of certain diseases and introducing new ones into the human population.

This situation goes on for hundreds and hundreds of years.

Finally, in some places on earth humans are able to stage a revolt and oust some aliens. In other parts of the world the aliens just pack up and leave one day. Whether they were kicked out or just bounced on their own, all the aliens fuck off to Mars where they had been sending all that money and resources for a cool half a millennium to build up their armies and infrastructure.

As the last Martian ship takes off the humans look at each other and think, "okay, what the fuck do we do now?" only a tiny portion of the human population is even educated at this point. The rest of the people don't even trust the educated ones anymore because they're the kids of the fuckers who were kissing alien ass all those years. There's suddenly no aliens, no access to goods and services, and no coherent system of governance. Not to mention limited and failing infrastructure that doesn't benefit the majority of the human population.

Back on Mars however...

By now, Mars kicks serious ass, it's virtually a paradise. Martians don't struggle for food or resources at all, they have tons of leisure and luxury items and access to Healthcare and education. Sometimes they fight each other but stability and continuity is generally the norm.

60 years passes and the grandchild of some of the last Martians to leave earth gets out his smartphone one day. He Googles Earth. "Man, earth is fucked up guys, " a Martian posts on a semi-anonymous public thread. "haven't the humans been on earth, like, thousands of years? Why can't they get their shit together? Earthlings must be lazy or suck ass or something"

Another Martian online suggests he stop being a racist cunt and Google imperialism and colonialism. He does, and suddenly it all made sense.

[–]KhalmiNatty [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Did you write that yourself?

[–]Kremidas [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Wow, well done.

[–]ThatSwigglyLine [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Parts of Africa pretty much got destroyed by the slave trade. Lost many people meaning they lost many possible workers and minds. Also focus on the slave trade could lead to lack of building up education and industry. Africa got put back economically some amount of decades.

[–]puzzleddaily [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Maybe it also has something to do with the genuine differences between the Sub-Saharan Africans and the rest of the world? (From upthread, which I've been reading about.)

[–]pion3435 [非表示スコア]  (6子コメント)

You've skipped past the important question, which is why the martians are so much more advanced than you when they were no different from you before they decided to leave and go to Mars.

[–]ShouldersofGiants100 [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

The fact history isn't a fair distributor of power and at any given point someone is going to lead? Africa had empires... Egypt, Carthage, probably half a dozen sub-Saharan empires that all had their day. Asia had them too... China, which was a near perpetual empire, The Mongols, the Persians in the west and more Steppe empires than you can count.

In the end though, powers like that competed... where their borders met, they clashed and the African empires and many of the Asian simply didn't win... Alexander smashed Egypt and annihilated Persia, Rome burned Carthage and sowed the fields with salt and Europe was on top... except they didn't stay there. Rome collapsed in the West, the Islamic empires in Asia and Africa rose and Europe was the backwards area. They built back up a bit, but even in the early Renaissance, they weren't that much better than any other place and in some cases they were worse off, while the other empires had reached their own point of stagnation in comparison.

Why am I saying all this? To emphasize the fact that Europeans GOT LUCKY. They didn't win because they had some inherent advantage, they didn't conquer the world based on anything about them, there wasn't any real reason they were more advanced... rather, they happened to be the region that was building strength when the technology was first created that let them move across the world... they got a huge boost out of that and the rest is history.

The premise of your question is flawed... it assumes a reason for one group to dominate, something that made them more advanced, but there isn't a reason, there is no answer to the question you pose because the question itself is flawed... there is no reason the Europeans were more advanced, simply the fact that eventually someone was going to win the game and when history handed out the cards, Europe was dealt a royal flush.

[–]naetdt [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Well i can't speak for the Martians, but Europeans weren't that far ahead of Africans until industrialization. That's why we don't see the largest permanent European settlements and colonies in Africa until the 1700-1800s. Sure there were smaller colonies as early as the mid 1600s like Angola and the slave trade had already been rolling for a few years already at that point. But Europeans couldn't really dominate Africans, like conquer them proper, until they industrialized.

Why did industrialization happen in northern Europe first? Well.. Lots of money from lucrative colonies didn't hurt. England, as an example, also had an abundant supply of relatively easy to get at coal and it turns out with money, resources, and time to spend on research you can develop new technology. Unfortunately for Africa, industrialization was not only a game changer in that it revolutionized production, transportation, warfare etc. It also drove the need to acquire more and more resources, resources Africa was full of.

That's just how it goes, every now and then someone invents or discovers something that changes the world, for better or worse. America at one time was the only country with nukes, same idea. We weren't light years ahead, but enough ahead we could kill everybody if we wanted to. Why did we split the atom first? Well, we had access to nuclear materials and tons of money to throw at research coupled with a strong incentive to do so.

[–]ajiav [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Colonialism has a lot to do with it for the past several centuries, same residual issue underlying conditions of the diaspora in general. You can ask yourself all you want, but that is it.

To be fair, "centuries of in-fighting, warlords, genocide, etc." also would accurately describe the past several centuries of European history. The difference between Europe and Africa at present is significant economic development in one region but not the other; the regions with significant economic development also appear to have significantly improved quality-of-life in most (if not all) areas. Colonialism over that same period actively inhibited progress and promoted unrest in Africa while benefitting European powers.

It's important to note, also, that regions that are currently disadvantaged were not always so. Before modern times, Europe was historically perceived to be in a "dark age" and the Arab world in a period of relative success and enlightenment. The "dark ages" were in part the consequence of the gradual weakening of the Roman Empire, another period of relative prosperity and education. You go back further, there is Greece, Egypt, Sumeria. This is history in broad strokes, but the point is that no one region or peoples lay claim to success or failure. It is the climate conditions, it is luck, it is the right technological innovation at the right time, it is any number of things that may or may not affect the course of human history. Africa and the Middle East had their time, and will have again, just as Europe and the U.S. will inevitably decline. This is not to overlook Asia, subject to its own complexities.

The point is, it's weird to look at the scope of history and try to make any argument for the superiority of any "race", which is a construct of time and place just as much as a national or regional identity. The scope of time reveals such beliefs in the superiority of certain peoples as the culturally-based biases that they are. Arguments that "blacks" are predisposed to crime/poverty/in-fighting are indeed arguments for the superiority of non-blacks, regardless of what gymnastics are used to suggest otherwise. And all of it stems in part from the false belief that you and the people you identify with are something permanent and not just another temporary permutation of this ever-changing world.

[–]I-like-winter [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Excellent comment. Seriously sick of people ignoring ancient world history and conveniently forgetting about the dark ages with respect to white nations.

Additionally, white colonialism compounded upon itself. Western Europe had a leg up on other nations around the time they decided to just go forth and conquer the world. As they went out and exploited other lands for resources, the effect snowballed and they acquired more power. This is partially why there's such a huge difference.

[–]Thapricorn [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

Go watch "Guns, Germs, and Steel" by Jared Diamond. He was faced with the exact same question as you, and he created an entire documentary series to answer it.

edit: The title should be enough of a hint though if you're short on time and want a TL;DR.

[–]TheDrunkenChud [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Will look for now.

[–]WisdomofWombats [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Excellent book, too.

[–]baredopeting [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

"Centuries of in-fighting, warlords, genocide" sounds like a fairly good description of European history to me.

Europe is prosperous, stable and rich and yet within the last 100 years Europeans have started the most deadly wars in history, sent millions of children to die, committed multiple genocides, starved millions of their own people, and invaded, enslaved and oppressed weaker nations for countless centuries.

And you wonder why Africa, a continent rife with poverty and political instability due to centuries of European colonial rule, is fucked up?

[–]rex1030 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

victim blame

What did that dude in the youtube video say? "Time for some personal responsa-damn-bility"

[–]Lord_Varys [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

The #1 correlate with crime and poverty is the lack of a father, and government policy literally incentives women to keep fathers out of the home.

I agree with you that our institutions are making things worse, but I think we disagree with which institutions, and how.

[–]puzzleddaily [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Good rant. And part of the problem is political correctness. We have to talk about these things. Yes, blacks have a bad history in the U.S. but we'll never improve current problems if people are terrified to talk about reality. For instance, up thread there wasn't much heat about Cubans committing 40% of medical fraud although they represent just 1% of the population.

[–]refutesstupidnotions [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Of course highly black populations have a lot of crime! Do you know why? Because institutions have been in place, in one way or another, formally or informally, to keep minorities in America poor and desperate!

Why do all the poor white areas have low(er) crime then?

And African countries have high crime in general?

[–]CHEESY_ANUSCRUST [非表示スコア]  (6子コメント)

Was Robin Hood black?

[–]NanniLP [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

He was fictional, so I mean, he can be if you want him to be.

[–]CHEESY_ANUSCRUST [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

I want him to be Chinese.

Take that, sheriff of Nottingham!

[–]gooniegoogoogus [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Don't you mean, " sheriff of NottingRam!"?

[–]Thapricorn [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

No. Why does that matter? Did you read his comment at all? Did you comprehend it? If so why would you ask that? Are you just curious? If so, could you not take a guess based on the demographics of feudal England? This question is just bizarre.

[–]FubarOne [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Seriously, get your shit together. Robin Hood wasn't black, his friend from the Holy Land, Akeem was. Duh.

[–]CHEESY_ANUSCRUST [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

:D

[–]Ilikemonies1 [非表示スコア]  (5子コメント)

Do you want to end up on SRS because that's how you do it.

[–]CGRampage [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

I've always wanted to.

[–]burritoconjuror [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

It was a fun week when I ended up on their shitlist. I had a lot of fun just fanning the fire for kicks.

[–]Stormageddon222 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

The way I found out SRS existed was when my post ended up on there. It was my first Skyrim enchantment. A shiv with fire damage called "hot prison rape" or something like that.

[–]BryanJEvans [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I feel like they have a lot of posts to make with this being as popular as it is.

[–]FAGET_WITH_A_TUBA [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

But, their fedoras are the most elite of the fedoras

[–]u_got_rickrolled [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

If you are talking about in the USA. Then, within the USA, it becomes obvious pretty quickly that race isn't the causal feature but forced socio-economic circumstances.

The USA just has a lot of poor black people.

[–]Norskfisk [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

you are not taking into account different tribes, if you are thinking of African countries. For instance, the Hutu vs the Tutsi in Rwanda.

[–]imperabo [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Detroit, Baltimore, New Orleans. . .

[–]Kim_Jong_Goon [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Chicago

[–]sizko_89 [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Black =/= African.

[–]Kim_Jong_Goon [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

We need a venn diagram that overlaps a bit. Some Africans are black and some blacks are African, not all are both.

[–]blandwhiteguy [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Would that not just correlate with economic conditions in those areas?

[–]I-like-winter [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Yup, and the aftermath of colonialism.

Turns out imposing Westernized power systems without educating the populace on how to utilize politics usually ends in a corrupt shit-show.

[–]ShermHerm [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

How about Russia?

[–]TheStarchild [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Shhhhh....

[–]DrKuha [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Poverty is the primary issue here.

[–]MenShouldntHaveCats [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

No not really. Compare races and their income.

[–]AtomicMonkeyTheFirst [非表示スコア]  (5子コメント)

Ever been to the Democratic Republic of the Comgo umbungo sambo mambo Congo? 0% reported crime. cos there's no one to report it to.

[–]Silent-G [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

And also because "Comgo" isn't a word.

[–]BigManRunning [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

It was til it got hacked up by a guy with a machete.

[–]prosthetic4head [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Leopold strikes again!

[–]ShallowBasketcase [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

When did the Congo become a state?

[–]AtomicMonkeyTheFirst [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

1960 according to Wikipedia

[–]TheSlothBreeder [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Its almost like majority white communities are born into a much Vetter standard of living on average than black people in all black communities, therefore providing u with your "white people are less violent" stats

[–]360Saturn [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

In the US that may be artificially created because of general wealth disparities between black and white people. Try applying your rule to some of the African capital cities.

[–]MenShouldntHaveCats [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

That doesn't make any sense.

[–]wowieff [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I once idealistically thought like you, but then came to the realization that wherever black people go, there seems to be more problems than if another poorer group of a different race was present.

Take for example Haiti. It shares an island with the Dominican Republic. Haiti is all black, Dominican Republic isn't. Same geographic location/economic resources to exploit. Haiti is one of the most dangerous places on the planet. While the Dominican Republic is no America, they are much better off than Haiti.

Take another group: the Asians. Asians were brought over essentially as slaves to work on the railroads in the United States. There was significant racial prejudice against them. (Essentially, the same starting point as the Africans.) Within a few generations, Asians are of the most successful demographic groups in the country.

I could go on and on with examples.

[–]TurnTheSandToGlass [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

Except for pretty much every single place with a black majority.

You'll find every excuse under the sun being made for this. It has nothing to do with their skin colour, or their genetics, but black culture is clearly absolutely toxic.

[–]Spleeniator [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

Is there such a thing as white culture. Am I culturally similar to you simply due to being white? Am I culturally identical to polish people, Swedes, Russians and the Swiss?

No. I am not. There is no 'white' culture much like there is no 'black' culture.

[–]violetjoker [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Since black culture doesn't include Africans, white culture doesn't include Europeans.

[–]TurnTheSandToGlass [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Nonsense. One white American will be far more culturally similar to another white American than they will be to any of the above mentioned nationalities.

However the polish, swedes, Irish, french, etc. are all generally white people with very different cultures themselves. There is certainly an "Irish" culture, and likewise a "french", etc. culture. This comes with the geographic and historical differences in Europe.

There are many more differences in white Americans than there are black Americans also given how they got to, and developed, in the US in the first place.

[–]Spleeniator [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

So maybe things should be broader: Cause idiots in this were using "Black" culture to justify African poverty.

Plus the assumption that white = American is stupid. What makes you assume I am American?

[–]Kalapuya [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

How is it homogenous if there is a minority?

[–]rollcoal [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Sometimes the truth hurts. Liberals aren't going to like that.

[–]sovietterran [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Most areas with a black majority in America are small subsections of urban poor. That really doesn't count as homogenous.

I'm not saying that there aren't sections of culture than can be pretty pro-crime there, but those cultures are more linked to urban poor people than black people too.

[–]angrae [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Compare the amounts of policing and security then get back to me.

[–]Kestyr [非表示スコア]  (25子コメント)

It depends on the race of those who are Homogeneous.

[–]TheDrunkenChud [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Heh. 50% of the top ten are Michigan. Flint is so butt hurt about being out of the top ten. Seriously. Saginaw. Beat. Flint. Hahaha. Also, Detroit representing hardcore.

[–]HoodedGreen [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

lol, poor rockford

[–]VengefulCaptain [非表示スコア]  (8子コメント)

Control for socioeconomic status and try again.

Or rather find a list of the 25 poorest zip codes and see if they line up.

[–]confused_teabagger [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Here are the poorest neighborhoods in America, with race stats. Go ahead and try it and you will be amazed to see that socioeconomic status seems not to correlate to violent crime ... in predominantly white towns.

SES is a factor in ongoing subjugation of communities, however the biggest problem that majority black communities face (concerning violent crime) is not SES. I have yet to hear a good explanation for what the cause is.

[–]LaLongueCarabine [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I have yet to hear a good explanation for what the cause is.

The destruction of the family unit.

[–]Thapricorn [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

Try again? Try again to do what? He's not trying to (hopefully), and nobody in their right mind would, attribute the increased violence to the skin color of the majority group.

You're right, socioeconomic status is exactly the reason for this. It doesn't change the fact that by transitive property, African Americans on average have lower socioeconomic standing than most other races in the US. That's the issue at hand that needs to be solved.

Nobody (again, I hope) is using this as a racist propaganda thread, quite the opposite, it's helpful to address stereotypes or facts and find the underlying cause behind them to solve issues.

[–]VengefulCaptain [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

Your post sounds like you are trying to argue but then you agree with me...?

[–]Thapricorn [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

I'm not trying to argue, and I do agree with you. I'm saying that you needn't be as defensive as you were in your comment, which I thought was based on you perceiving racism.

[–]VengefulCaptain [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I just decided that was better comment over 'something something correlation != causation'

[–]Infuser [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

As soon as I saw the stats for Flint, I thought of that. For those of you not familiar, auto manufacturing pulling out of Flint to outsource DESTROYED that place and it never recovered. Poor desperate white folks also commit crimes.

[–]Diplowe [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

This.

[–]Mikav [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Shit, flint, get it together.

[–]tinyoctopus[🍰] [非表示スコア]  (5子コメント)

I like that Detroit is 1, 2, 3, and 7. I'm from there and I'm white. Never had any problems.

[–]Kestyr [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

Detroit Metro area or city proper? There's an enormous difference between the two.

[–]Kim_Jong_Goon [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

"Claimin detroit when yall live 20 miles away! And you ain't seen a fuckin mile road south of 10!" -- eminem

[–]tinyoctopus[🍰] [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

The house I grew up in was in the metro area, but being the rebel I was I spent most of my free time in the city proper. When I got older I did have a place within the city though. I lived within walking distance(a few miles) of some really bad neighbourhoods. It's actually really amazing how much it changes in just that small distance. I have also since moved to a much more rural area, and god damn do I miss Detroit.

[–]rugtoad [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I can't tell you how many timid white folk from West Bloomfield will fiercely defend the 'D, insisting that it's a perfectly safe place to live.

The most dangerous thing these people ever run into is the crazy dude underneath Gratiot who yells at the people coming into the Tigers games...so I guess it's no surprise that they are a little out of touch with reality.

[–]snipekill1997 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Damn Spartanburg is living up to their namesake.

[–]scottperezfox [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Let's see the same zip codes by household poverty, two-parent households, high school dropout rate, and other civic stress factors. Probably the same correlation. Crime breeds from poverty and social disfunction. It just so happens that black people in America have been kept in such conditions for generations.

[–]PenguinsRAwesome [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

It should be noted, 4 of those cities have a <50% population of black people.

[–]Kestyr [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

There's the rub though. Less than 50 percent black doesn't mean >50% white.

[–]PenguinsRAwesome [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

My brain was not good, I'll fix that.

[–]tsondie21 [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Those are zip codes within non homogenous cities. Not applicable here.

[–]fanamana [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Almost half of those sites are over 90% homogenous, that seems applicable.

[–]Mzamike [非表示スコア]  (5子コメント)

Makes me wonder about all the circlejerk lists where Sweden and Norway are at the top every time

[–]michaelirishred [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Scandinavia is either the pinnacle of homogeneity or else five minutes from announcing sharia law depending on which world news thread you're on

[–]deten [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

Well for every sweden there is a North Korea or Rwanda...

[–]oonniioonn [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

There's only one sweden though…

[–]jimbofisher2010 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I guess either North Korea or Rwanda shall now cease to exist. Sorry millions of people formerly inhabiting those places!

[–]violetjoker [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Norway simply has oil. That's the whole story. Sweden actually has a pretty large population mit migration backgrounds, that the US can't obtain X because of "muh diversity" is mostly a circlejerk.

[–]TheJerinator [非表示スコア]  (9子コメント)

Not true unfortunately, look in almost any black only neighbourhoods in the USA :(

[–]DrHoppenheimer [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

in general

There are several studies that support this notion. After accounting for differing rates of violence among homogeneous groups, you see higher rates of violence with increasing heterogeneity. Violence spikes when ethnic and national boundaries don't align with political boundaries.

One I'm fond of tested this in Switzerland. You normally think of the Swiss as a very law-abiding people, but there are three subnationalities: French Swiss, Italian Swiss and German Swiss. Even among the orderly Swiss, you can predict violence and crime distribution by examining the distribution of population heterogeneity.

[–]onetrickwolf [非表示スコア]  (5子コメント)

I don't think just a neighborhood would count as homogeneous. A black neighborhood is still likely contained by a mostly white county with largely white legislators which could still be sources of major tension.

I'm not trying to argue anything but just saying, if you're trying to make a homogeneous argument, then a single neighborhood isn't really a good sample size.

[–]TheJerinator [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

I know but that's really the only all black place other than africa, and if you look at ther countries there are so many other factors to consider

[–]randomfact8472 [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Haiti.

[–]TheJerinator [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

That's a different country

[–]blorg [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

I know but that's really the only all black place other than africa, and if you look at ther countries there are so many other factors to consider

This is so ignorantly US-centric it is laughable. There are many countries outside of Africa with much larger black populations than the US.

The US is 13% black. Many Caribbean countries are majority black, indeed many have a higher percentage of blacks (90%+) than the US does of whites (77%). Over half of the population of Brazil, the largest country in Latin America, has African ancestry.

[–]TheJerinator [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Wow look at this SJW...

First of all I'm Canadian, and secondly OP said that when while blacks do commit the most crime in the states, this isn't the case when it's a group/community that is effectively 100% black.

So I said "well if you look at a group that is 100% black (a black neighbourhood) the crime rate is still high"

He said that's a poor example, because it's a small community all things considered

I agreed however I said it is probably the best example, because any other place that is almost 100% black, like Africa, is a completely different country and has lots of other factors to consider when looking at something as broad as crime.

I am well aware that black people don't only exist in the US and Africa, and even if I thought that it is in no way "US centric"

Maybe before you make an idiot of yourself actually spend some time reading what you're commenting on

[–]DrinksBathWater [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

You mean like the ones that get burned down?

[–]TheJerinator [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

That was in 1921... Almost A HUNDRED YEARS AGO

[–]Brawny661 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

See: native american reservations...

[–]SooperModelsDotCom [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Like Detroit? The Bronx? Compton?

[–]ArranMars [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

Actually this isn't true. As a matter of fact, there is a higher crime rate in communities with a higher population of minority races.

[–]tway14 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

He said homogeneous, not heterogeneous

[–]chaosmosis [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Cite? I'd expect this is only true insofar as minorities commit more crimes. I'd imagine that although total crime might increase in areas with a homogeneous minority, the crime per minority person would be lower.

[–]hurpington [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

at least you tried

[–]cunt69696969 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Except like Africa and other black dominated areas.

[–]venevoxus [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

whatd you just call me?

[–]CHEESY_ANUSCRUST [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Japan!

[–]Tripwire3 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

This itself is very politically incorrect.