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Cheating in MLTP (self.MLTP)

Aaron215MLTP: Streamer for Roll Models // USC: Cappin' Planet が 投稿 - stickied post

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CHECKNATE. (/u/checknate1) captain of The Populists and member of The Capitalists, and GRIEFSEEDS (/u/griefseeds) member of ALLCAPS, and Ballzilla (/u/rke12) of the LagProne minor team Bella Flag and the Flagtones are, effective immediately, banned for life from MLTP for use of botting scripts.

The Capitalists will replay any game resulting in their win or tie from Week 1, 2 and 3. These matches must be replayed by the end of the season, unless the opposing captain wishes to retain the loss/tie. The opposing captain must decide whether to replay by the start of week 5. As CHECKNATE. is a captain of a minors team, they are also removed from that position and the new captain of The Populists will be determined by eagles., the captain of The Capitalists.

ALLCAPS will replay any game resulting in their win or tie from Week 1, 2 and 3. These matches must be replayed by the end of the season, unless the opposing captain wishes to retain the loss/tie. The opposing captain must decide whether to replay by the start of week 5.

Bella Flag and the Flagtones will not be replaying any matches, as we have shown that Ballzilla was not using the bot during competitive play.

NOTICE:

All players: MLTP does not, and will not condone cheating of any kind, in any league, or any public game. In the following days, we will release a larger list of names containing players in our league who have cheated in a variety of ways, and corresponding punishments. These are the only bot script users we are releasing at this time. If you are an MLTP player and have been using a botting script OR cheated in other ways, it is advised you contact the Rules Committee immediately by messaging /u/Aaron215_mod and titling the message “Self Report – [your name]”. There will be no warnings, THIS IS YOUR ONLY CHANCE TO SELF REPORT. The Rules Committee may take this into consideration when ruling on length of suspensions.

Due to these developments, in addition to Sphere having network issues for most people West of the server, and a holiday weekend, MLTP and mLTP games will be delayed 1 week for teams to sort themselves out.

Remember that our league is a place to house the highest tier of fair competitive TagPro, and without trust and good sportsmanship, this would not be possible. We ask you keep the inevitable discussion below clean and mature. We understand many people will be upset and there may be anger directed at individual people, but we all pride ourselves on our outstanding community and we should strive to uphold that.

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[–]tagproHELENSad Helen | ALL CAPS 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Say it ain't so grief... say it ain't so

[–]TackProjust moved to West Coast 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Got an opening for a defender on ALL CAPS?

[–]bowtieTP 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

How's your radius ping?

[–]TackProjust moved to West Coast 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

i just pubbed with 90 ping. I felt slooooow

[–]bowtieTP 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Would you be willing to move back?

[–]TackProjust moved to West Coast 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

brb changing entire life to play for ALL CAPS this season

[–]bowtieTP 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

GREAT!

[–]jazzcigarettes 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

bro, cmon now you know what team you'd have to go to

[–]TackProjust moved to West Coast 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Haha, I miss you fellers! LA says hello. I been pubbin on centra a little and it feels icky. I don't know anyone

[–]jazzcigarettes 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

miss you too homie. come hang in pi rats soon!

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    [–]Splanky222BBQchicken 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    YOUR DRUUUUG IS A HEAAARTBREAKEEEEEERRRR

    [–]SuperSansSUPERSANS 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    :(

    [–]Dr_Fargo1Ajax. 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    PUT ME IN COACH I'M READY

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      [–]ravenprideRaven 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (22子コメント)

      In the following days, we will release a larger list of names containing players in our league who have cheated in a variety of ways, and corresponding punishments. These are the only bot script users we are releasing at this time.

      If you already have a larger list of names, why release these names in particular? That is to say, why does every cheater except Grief, Checknate, and Zilla get a chance to self-report to reduce their suspension? (Not trying to be accusatory or anything - just genuinely curious/confused.)

      Also, you should have entitled this post "The Mitchball Report" ;)

      [–]Nnats 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (8子コメント)

      I'm assuming because this is by far the worst form of cheating and it deserves to be singled out.

      I think the other forms of cheating will include things like the powerrup timer script and other lesser, but still bad, forms of cheating. Also, it sounds like there is a lot of names that will be announced. I bet they want to take some time to detail these and handle them on a case-by-case basis, which may take some time.

      [–]efuipa 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (7子コメント)

      I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people used powerup timer scripts, since it's such a simple but powerful bit of knowledge, but I don't know how it'd be detected. Aaron did basically confirm lower in the thread that the future released names are from a "variety" of scripts, so other than bots I guess.

      [–]RonSpawnsonTP 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      It has been made clear bots are banned in pub games. It has never been announced that powerup timers were banned in pubs. We have only been told they are frowned upon. They are quite clearly banned from competitive play, but nothing has ever stated they are banned in pubs.

      It will be truly shameful if the devs start banning for powerup timers used in pubs without a clear terms of service stating what userscripts are not allowable in public games similar to how they publicly stated bots are bannable and not allowed on pub servers.

      Furthermore, some exceptions are required for streamers spectating a game. There are many scripts which would be considered cheating in pub play that add a lot for the viewers. For example zoomable camera, free moving camera, scripts indicating which player is holding the flag, and even powerup timers make a game more exciting to watch when we as the audience are privy to something the players are not.

      [–]sum_ball 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      http://i.imgur.com/gY6PhtF.png

      ankh's response to when i made a post on /r/tagpro about timers. I know its not an official announcement, but it does make it clear what stance they hold about powerup timers.

      [–]TagProTyrusTy | ALL CAPS | Pi 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      gg Ron

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        [–]Sosen 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (8子コメント)

        I'm assuming the other people's cheating wasn't severe enough to have to replay games

        [–]Aaron215MLTP: Streamer for Roll Models // USC: Cappin' Planet[S] 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (7子コメント)

        Those situations are still being discussed as we confirm individual cases. This is why we pushed games back a week.

        [–]manbareManbear | Pi Rats 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        When do you think the list, if at all, will be revealed?

        [–]Aaron215MLTP: Streamer for Roll Models // USC: Cappin' Planet[S] 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I'm not rushing anything. Many people wanted this posted yesterday, but that would have involved overlooking a few pieces that we hadn't satisfactorily discussed. It will be posted, but only when we have confirmed it. Since we aren't revealing how each individual player was caught, or showing proof (as that would show how they were caught), I find it even more important to be certain, and that means you guys having to wait. We won't wait too long though, as we know teams have to prepare for the next weeks' matches.

        So... soon?tm

        [–]ravenprideRaven 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        That makes sense. What I don't understand is why everyone was given a chance to self-report except for a few particular players. Were their offenses particularly egregious/inexcusable for some reason? If so, what is that reason?

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          [–]neyvit1Tpr 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          You stole that from me.

          [–]ravenprideRaven 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          You had no such pun in your comment :)

          [–]randommcpersonDudeMcGuy // Tears for Spheres 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          BOTH OF YOU STOLE IT FROM ME

          [–]jazzcigarettes 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (17子コメント)

          :/ grief...

          [–]BallerOnABudget_d0pe 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (16子コメント)

          that's actually upsetting.

          [–]jazzcigarettes 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (15子コメント)

          it really is grief is one of my favorite people in tagpro..

          [–]Nawse 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (5子コメント)

          My favorite part is Grief "sarcastically" saying "Yeah lemme just turn on my bot! heheh xddDDDDdddd"

          [–]Breast_Connoisseur 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (7子コメント)

          So this might be too late to get noticed as a reponse, and I realize I might not get an answer becaues it deals with how bots are detected.

          But if there is a way to detect if a bot is being used by a player, then it stands to reason that this detection would also let you know when a bot was being used.

          As such, we would then know if any of the people that use / have used only in public games, or if they were also used in competitive play.

          Can you at the very least confirm whether or not the listed players have used bots in competitive play?

          [–]teddbearteddybear 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Seconding this. Based on everything I've read, it seems that the devs have solid proof that all accused players have used bots at some point, but not necessarily in MLTP games. It seems that the commissioners then decided to support the devs' decision by also enforcing a ban in MLTP. Of course, this may not be the case and there actually may be proof of usage in competitive games. However, stating that Ballzilla did not use the bot in competitive games while having the other games replayed implies that there is proof of Grief and Check using bots, so I don't know what to think. Hopefully there'll be more clarity soon.

          [–]lolugrumpy 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          Haven't they essentially done that already?

          Bella Flag and the Flagtones will not be replaying any matches, as we have shown that Ballzilla was not using the bot during competitive play.

          The only team that doesn't have to replay their games is Ballzilla's, so it would appear that he is the only one who can't be proven to have used the bot in competitive play.

          [–]Breast_Connoisseur 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          They say it implicitly with Ballzilla, but at the time of the post he was still banned for life from M/mltp (IMO way overkill if he wasn't using it in game).

          However, they do not explicitly say that Grief/Check have used bots in competitive play, when both of them have stated that this wasn't the case. I understand that the rules committee and developers can't give their proof without ousting the methods they used to obtain it, but without knowing what their proof explicitly states I can't know whether or not I agree with their decision of a lifetime ban, and the forced replaying of games. I'm trying to do my best to give both Greif/Check and the commissioners the benefit of the doubt at the same time but it's hard to do with the unknowns in the equation.

          [–]lolugrumpy 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Fair enough. Given that they specifically state that Ballzilla didn't use it competitively, I think it's safe to assume that they have evidence of the other two using it competitively. I guess a solid confirmation wouldn't hurt though.

          [–]Rhapsody_in_WhiteSundown 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          They say that they have shown Ballzilla didn't use it competitively. This implies that they cannot show that the other two did not use it competitively. It doesn't really imply that they can show that the other two did use it competitively.

          [–]quassuscrosky | Tears 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (49子コメント)

          1. Truly pathetic.

          2. What type of bot scripts, exactly, were they using?

          3. Please tell me all of their stats (for this season and historically) will be wiped?

          4. I will have to talk to the other USC mods but this lifelong ban will likely extend to US Contenders and we will have to re-evaluate the title belt standing of WEDEMBOYZ.

          [–]TagProFelixFeelicks 95 ポイント96 ポイント  (7子コメント)

          What type of bot scripts, exactly, were they using?

          Ugh, these disgusting bot scripts! I mean, there's so many of them though! Which one? Which one bot script did he specifically use?

          [–]crash404Slip - Captain Cyber Ballies RIP 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Like how did they find out who was cheating? Pls be specific with details and possible ways to avoid detection.... I'm asking for a friend. Totally not me

          [–]burnsc 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          You're now on a list.

          [–]Aaron215MLTP: Streamer for Roll Models // USC: Cappin' Planet[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Any bot script is illegal both in MLTP and public game play. I think I can go out on a limb here and say any organized league. Regardless of which one it was, we have evidence that they used them outside of maptest, and we've confirmed it with the devs. We won't be hashing out specifics.

          [–]PrivateMajorPrivateMajor - Rollin' Golden Boulders 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          lol Felix was basically just spewing a quote from It's Always Sunny

          [–]Aaron215MLTP: Streamer for Roll Models // USC: Cappin' Planet[S] 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Replace "you" with "me"

          [–]BuckeyeLeavesBallDon'tLie 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          lol

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            [–]MultiMediaWill 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (24子コメント)

            .2. Chase bots.

            They work by pressing and holding one key. The script chases the enemy FC, or it chases the nearest ball if the enemy FC is not on the screen. When you release the chase key, the script stops chasing and the human regains control of the keys.

            I did test CFlakes' chasing script a while back and I am assuming they used a similar script.

            [–]Nnats 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (22子コメント)

            You were sitting in the Twitch chat arguing that Grief was cheating and everyone was berating you for it. Funny enough, it turns out you were right...

            [–]TnelsExquisite 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            true shit

            [–]owlpharaohGinseng 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (20子コメント)

            I mean grief was one of the most obvious. Idk how people couldnt tell.

            [–]TheGoldenNewtRobberFronj [Ghostboosters s7] 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (18子コメント)

            The reason that this is coming out now, is because until now, with the introduction of tangible evidence, we have been protecting the cheaters.

            I mean, speaking as the captain of 0K, the NLTP Bot, even when something is clearly not right, there is insufficient evidence, among other reasons, to accuse someone if bottling. While looking back, it is clear that 0K was botting, as members of the same team, we were distracted by our own excitement. As humans, we don't naturally ask ourselves why we are succeeding, but rather revel in our own accomplishments. So we, his teammates, and those with whom he most often played, would not have been likely to be suspicious of his eerily unbeatable play. At most, any suspicions would be tucked away in the recesses of our minds, while our conscious mind is preoccupied. This would leave the burden of finding evidence to accuse and then accusing the subject to the opponents.

            Without proper evidence, as the mods now have obtained through their new tool, accusing the botter would be a quick way to incite anger against one's self, as seen in Juke King's case. In fact, an outsider accusing an insider of wrongdoings would provoke the insider's group, the botter's teammates, to band together to protect one of their own. This would only solidify the group's trust and psychologically remove the teammates' fears, that he may well be cheating, through cognitive dissonance. By accusing the botter of cheating without evidence, the outsider would have pitted the natural instinct to protect one's own against an unsupported fear. The natural instinct will always win out in this situation, solidifying the trust between members of the group and thereby eliminating the unsupported fear.

            This is why these cheaters have not been "discovered" until now. Now that we have the ability to obtain sufficient evidence, we as the greater TagPro community can condemn the wrong-doers instead of protecting them.

            [–]MultiMediaWill 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            well said.

            [–]Thotfully_YoursMr. Thot 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Very well put

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              [–]Nnats 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              The difference between a cheater and a great player is a few frames of reaction time. It's hard to see if you're not looking for it. Harder to prove if you don't have the tools.

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                [–]PrivateMajorPrivateMajor - Rollin' Golden Boulders 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                Please tell me all of their stats (for this season and historically) will be wiped?

                This conversation has not yet occurred, but it will have to be a conversation that the commissioners have with the stats guys, since I'm sure this is an incredibly complicated issue for them. Thankfully, we now have over a week to get everything in order.

                [–]rupayswerve | MM | Assistant to the Manager 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                would replayed games replace the stats of the old games?

                [–]Nawse 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                nah combine them

                [–]Slama_BananaLegman 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                yeah gimme double stats please

                [–]Aaron215MLTP: Streamer for Roll Models // USC: Cappin' Planet[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Also something that will be addressed when we meet with the stats folks.

                [–]ThisIsntaRepost#1baller // Marble Madness 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                swerves like ooh I can get da 10 Gasp now

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                  [–]cmz1973cz 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  I think i remember LS saying a while ago anyone caught botting would have there account deleted not sure if that is still the case. I do know they have received a 3 month ban from tagpro.

                  [–]DatBlizzard 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  The main bot script out there that really gives you an advantage is essentially a mirroring script. Useful for defense in one-on-one situations, it makes your ball mirror the movements of the other ball in milliseconds, must faster than any human reaction would take. Obviously you can combine this with your ball moving towards theirs until the script calculates you're close enough to move in all the way to tag. Pretty much makes bases that are already tight for offenders even tighter and it's significantly harder to get out without a pup or boost/bomb.

                  I'm assuming this is what they were using, some guy in NLTP got banned for the same thing the other week.

                  [–]TnelsExquisite 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Does this mean we get the title belt ?? Lol jk

                  [–]TagProFelixFeelicks 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (31子コメント)

                  Can I get a clarification?

                  Bella Flag and the Flagtones will not be replaying any matches, as we have shown that Ballzilla was not using the bot during competitive play.

                  If Ballzilla wasn't cheating during competitive play, why the ban?

                  [–]TagProNoah 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (28子コメント)

                  Ya, this is confusing me as well. Simply possessing a bot is a ban?

                  [–]TagProFelixFeelicks 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (26子コメント)

                  Yeah, I'm not defending botting. But if wasn't used in MLTP, I don't see how it can be banworthy in MLTP.

                  [–]cdodgec04Dodge || School of Hard Ballies 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  Its good to do this even if he was doing it in pubs. People from CS:GO got banned by valve from using cheats in non-competitive games and weren't allowed to play in competition. Cheating is Cheating either in Competitive or not.

                  EDIT: aloud I cant spell

                  [–]DinoSawyer_RAWRDino 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (20子コメント)

                  He's being banned from TagPro. Our ban is in conjunction with that.

                  [–]LEBRONstarJAMES 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                  Are we going to get any more transparency than this? I've heard ballzilla's story already and if what he said is true then this is ridiculous.

                  [–]DinoSawyer_RAWRDino 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  The MLTP rules committee can't do anything about Tagpro bans. If more information/evidence comes to light it will be dealt with accordingly.

                  [–]nubTheGreat 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  So once his tagpro ban is up he can play? Or is that forever too

                  [–]Ballymandias// S7 Lagprone Captain // S6 KGB // 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  This is exceedingly relevant to my interests.

                  [–]LEBRONstarJAMES 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Ok, but now lucky is saying these are 1 month bans. And you already know ballzilla didnt use it during mltp. So your comment saying the mltp ban is in conjunction doesnt make sense...

                  [–]DinoSawyer_RAWRDino 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  We posted this under the information that we were given.

                  [–]EclairNation 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Then, now that you have more information, you should rectify the post and notify Ballzilla.

                  [–]Aaron215MLTP: Streamer for Roll Models // USC: Cappin' Planet[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                  No. You've heard Ballzilla's account, and you've heard what we are able to share. Each of these have been confirmed by the devs and we will not be meddling in "intent" or anything similar. This should serve as a warning that cheating is unacceptable in MLTP, and you should take what you can from the developer response for the legality of cheating in pubs.

                  [–]TagProFelixFeelicks 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Ok, that makes sense. You can't play MLTP if you're banned from TagPro.

                  [–]Marz64 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I thought Lucky said that he's banned for a month, no? Shouldn't Ballzilla be allowed back after that?

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                      [–]Extractum11 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I assume he was using it in pubs

                      [–]Ballymandias// S7 Lagprone Captain // S6 KGB // 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Ballzilla can tell you his story if he wants, but everyone that knows him understands the kind of person he is. He's never looked to gain a competitive edge or abuse this type of thing for stats purposes, and it's all together a sad situation. Unfortunately, rules are rules so there's not much to be done here, but Ballzilla understands that he has to deal with the repercussions of his actions regardless of his original intent.

                      [–]Aaron215MLTP: Streamer for Roll Models // USC: Cappin' Planet[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      All players: MLTP does not, and will not condone cheating of any kind, in any league, or any public game.

                      He will be receiving a ban from the devs.

                      [–]TurboweasleTurbo 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      Well this sucks, but I suppose it was an eventuality for the league, especially with it becoming more and more competitive every season.

                      I would suggest that the commissioners and whoever else is privy to the method used to identify this type of cheating keep it completely private, as a threat of discovery via an unknown method is far greater than the threat of discovery from a known one.

                      Anyway, like I said, this sucks. And the fact that it's apparently more widespread than just these few players is very disappointing. But let's try to use this as an opportunity to reinforce the trust aspect of this league and emphasize that sportsmanship extends beyond saying "gg" at the end of a game. Let's encourage each other to value competition more than good stats or illegitimate victories. The damage has already been done, and like others are saying, vilifying these guys won't solve any problems. Let's work to make sure that something like this never happens again by respecting our opponents and holding ourselves and our teammates accountable.

                      [–]devilmightcareTroBall // Tears 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Thank you.

                      [–]FawltyTowersMCFawlty 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Well said.

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                        [–]rke12Ballzilla 116 ポイント117 ポイント  (52子コメント)

                        I just want to clear the air here about myself.

                        When cflakes left and deleted all of his scripts, I pulled up cached copies of them through google with the intent to rehost them incase anyone we looking for them, such as the honking script. I basically just copied the code and pasted all of the ones i could find into tampermonkey. One of these happened to be the very basic starter bot that was available on r/tagprobots. I was testing the scripts on newcomptes maptest server, kind of weeding through them. This bot wasn't even something thats usable in an actual game. It literally just sits on flag, then runs into spikes and gates if someone gets the flag. Not one of the polished bots that others have had.

                        Well, I join a pub the other day, and notice that I can't move my ball. Its just sitting there, someone gets flag and it goes after them. It then hit me what was up, the bot script was on. I turned it off in tampermonkey, refreshed, and kept playing.

                        All of this was done on my work pc, which I sometimes jump into games during lunch or breaks to get a few in. I haven't even been playing with stats on when I play here due to often getting lag bad enough I have to leave the game. I know there is 0% tolerance of having any kind of bot active in pubs, so if I'm banned from tagpro I understand. In no way was I using a bot to cheat or get any kind of advantage.

                        [–]adhi-modSOHB | 2K1ASA 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        dude, that sucks. i believe you personally and i hope this can be resolved.

                        [–]stu-Stu. 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                        when I saw you got banned without doing it competitively, I was thinking of the scenario where you prob just kinda googled it or something, and tried it out for a few pubs 'cause maybe you were curious how it worked and then immediately stopped. I was thinking if you got banned permanently for that then that would really really suck.

                        This explanation seems way more innocent and honestly what I expect to be true (though I obv wouldn't know) and I really hope you can talk to the devs/comissioners about it.

                        [–]dccarlove 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        I think based on the fact that even the rules committee admits you weren't using the bots in any competitive games and you are still being banned is a little absurd to me. I can understand a few weeks or even the season if you will for using the bot in a PUB, but for life is a bit harsh for something that had no effect on the outcome of the games.

                        EDIT: I also understand being banned from tagpro for using bots in PUBs and I stand by the Devs in saying bots will not be tolerated at all. That said. If you are telling the truth and you only had the bot on in a PUB for a few seconds and it had no major effect on that PUB, then being banned from tagpro is also a little harsh. You are basically being pushed for being forgetful at that point more than for using a bot in game. Again. I am saying all this based on the fact that your story is truthful.

                        [–]Nnats 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        Yeah, there definitely needs to be a distinction from players who cheated in competitive play (permanent ban is fitting IMO) and players who cheated in pubs (a season ban would be more than enough to me).

                        [–]dccarlove 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Much agree. I think Balls ban stems most from the ban from tagpro if you are caught using a bot in PUBs, and like I said. I can stand behind that. But if he really only did use a bot for a matter of only a few seconds. Then is banning him from tagpro really appropriate? As I said. It seems like at that point he is being punished greatly just for being forgetful.

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                          [–]RonSpawnsonTP 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                          Ballzilla, the starter bot from CFlakes you are mentioning is purposefully designed to only run on test servers. The header would have to have been manually edited to allow it to run on production servers.

                          [–]quassuscrosky | Tears 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          Is this true?

                          [–]teddbearteddybear 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Whatever the truth may be, I hope this is looked into more.

                          [–]MofoSamson 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                          I think that the ban on you caught most people off guard. From what I'm gathering, no one has ever suspected you of cheating or botting. It sounds like a "wrong script, wrong time" sort of mistake. Your stats from MLTP don't reflect even the slightest of cheating in game. I want to believe that you wouldn't do this. You seem to be another one of those players that has too much pride to choose cheating in order to win. You've always struck me as the type to appreciate knowing you tried your best, regardless of the outcome. I always enjoyed our pubs on Origin. Definitely one of my favorite partners and least favorite opponents. I can only hope the mods have some sort of appeal so you can explain yourself and clear your name. This is all assuming that there isn't more evidence against you. I, and so many others, want your disclosure to be the complete truth. Dark times....

                          [–]ButterChurnButter Churn 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          Your stats from MLTP don't reflect even the slightest of cheating in game.

                          ouch

                          [–]BallerOnABudget_d0pe 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          Speaking as someone who used to play with Zilla many times weeks back, you're definitely not the type of dude to go about cheating. You're super humble and honestly one of the few people I've met that are genuinely skilled enough on D but still slip up and make mistakes. I was really surprised to see your name on the list because you're not the type of dude to cheat. I believe your story...

                          [–]-EasterEggs 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          I think i can speak for Pi players in general when we say we know Ballzilla doesn't cheat ;).

                          His O is why he shines.

                          [–]Teh42 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Ballzilla is the bestest. <3

                          [–]DatBlizzard 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          Hmm. The ban in your case seems to come from the devs, which I assume would mean it's based on more than just reviewing footage of your playing. From your description of using a bot for all of 15 seconds, I find it hard to believe the devs would even detect your bot usage.

                          Now if the bot script was on, a guy grabbed, and you chased him down clearly mirroring his movement as only a bot can, then I can see how it happened. The devs could probably add in something server-side to check for cheating by detecting the time between the other ball's inputs and your own (and see if their mirror movements). So even if it only happened once that'd be enough.

                          Still though, you grabbed cached copies of cflakes scripts when he left, and then you join just 1 pub and quickly disable the script? And what was the time frame between "when clfakes left" and you downloaded his scripts and "the other day" when you joined a pub, you couldn't have played in between or you would've noticed the bot then? I don't know, just seems too minor to have resulted in a ban. Either you're not telling us everything or maybe the devs went overboard.

                          [–]LEBRONstarJAMES 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          or maybe the devs went overboard

                          [–]Kermit_leadfoot 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          #FreeBallzilla

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                            [–]Sosen 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                            Are you kidding me right now?

                            Like, if you're being honest, which I strongly feel that you are, this is even more upsetting to me than the people who were using bots to cheat. :(

                            [–]rke12Ballzilla 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                            Well, from the devs point of view there was a bot active in a pub under my account. I'm guessing they didn't know it was accidental or for such a short period of time. But it's their rules, and I understand where they come from on the subject.

                            I mean, you can see here that it was installed 16 days ago which was like a day or 2 after cflakes left. Also notice the Honk script, it was edited and re-installed after some reported an issue with it, so 11 days ago. I'm being completely honest when I was I was seeing if there were any useful scripts that needed rehosted, with no intent to bot or cheat. At the end of the day, I only put the honk script up, along with a howler script that the honk script needed. I decided the other scripts either didn't work in the new version of tagpro, or really shouldn't be available to players.

                            At the end of the day, I'm ok with whatever punishment the MLTP rules guys or the devs decide. It's their league/game, respectively. And I know there intent is to keep the game honest.

                            [–]the_sidewalk_endssidewalk // Probots // Captain 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I'm sorry Ballzilla :(

                            You don't deserve this.

                            [–]tagproHELENSad Helen | ALL CAPS 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Nah dude, if they're going to be dealing out these harsh-ass punishments without even opening dialogue with all the relevant parties to understand the whole context, then there needs to be an appeals process.

                            [–]BeastMode3333 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                            If that is true, which I believe it is, I think that any sort of ban you get is complete bullshit.

                            [–]Tim-Sanchez//ELTP 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                            How can mods prove if it is true or not? All they know is that he used a bot in pubs which is against the rules, they can't prove the circumstances. It's like when someone says "I didn't work against team/use offensive language, my brother logged on and did it!" That might be true, but all we know is that they broke the rules so got a ban.

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                              [–]Nawse 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                              "He's not using a bot, I've played against a bot before" - swerve

                              [–]TagProFelixFeelicks 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              swerve is a robot

                              [–]cdodgec04Dodge || School of Hard Ballies 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              thats why he just talks in beeps

                              [–]Aaron215MLTP: Streamer for Roll Models // USC: Cappin' Planet[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Beep Beep Beep!

                              I don't mean to be light hearted, but I think a little levity is in order. The good news is we're weeding people who have cheated out of competitive play.

                              [–]cdodgec04Dodge || School of Hard Ballies 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Im glad youre able to take some jokes around the matter!

                              [–]SUpirateThePirate / 30SMB 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              This is pretty much what I said after I got destroyed in week 2.

                              [–]PiazzaDeliveryCanadsian // Radius // Glorious Knights of Cap-a-lot 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              I had the exact same thought when someone accused Grief of doing so.

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                                [–]theycallmebbqsaundy || 4O's 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                All the unnamed cheaters shakin in their boots right now.

                                [–]neyvit1Tpr 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                Many people are upset right now (and I'm sure a small amount are happy). But can we all remember one thing: cheating in a web game does not inherently make you a bad person (it just makes you a person I would rather not play Tagpro with/against). I'm sure the players listed are all extremely embarrassed, and feel shitty right now. And they have been punished. There is no need to further vilify them or harass them.

                                This is a bad day for Tagpro.

                                inb4 this is exactly what someone who is gonna be released in the next Mitchell Report of Tagpro would say.

                                [–]TagProFelixFeelicks 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                inb4 this is exactly what someone who is gonna be released in the next Mitchell Report of Tagpro would say.

                                Bake 'em away, toys.

                                [–]jackals4 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                I disagree.

                                Every game of TagPro you cheat in ruins the experience for at least 4 other players. If another player out-skills me, so be it. If another player gained an unfair advantage by cheating, then the competition is between me and a computer. If I wanted to play single-player, I'd get marble madness out.

                                A person who gains happiness at the expense of several other people's happiness is a bad person. This does not justify harassment, but don't paint cheaters out to be saints.

                                [–]BuckeyeLeavesBallDon'tLie 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Totally agree.

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                                  [–]SuperSansSUPERSANS 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I can't believe this.. wow this is upsetting.

                                  [–]Nqoba4Nqoba | S7 RGB | Centra 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                  This is so shocking... I can't believe it's actually true.

                                  [–]ButterChurnButter Churn 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Both griefseeds and checknate are on my fantasy team, rip. Any idea yet what will happen about that?

                                  [–]slivr33Holdmaballs::Ghostboosters 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Butter Churn confirmed watchlist, who else is on your team? /s

                                  [–]Sosen 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  so what do we do about Fantasy MLTP? ~-~

                                  [–]StraightZlatCapernicus 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  asking the real questions

                                  [–]StraightZlatCapernicus 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  yes. so shocking

                                  [–]manbareManbear | Pi Rats 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  When can we expect the rest of the Mitchball Report to be released?

                                  [–]ttttimkazoo 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                  lol gg griefseeds

                                  this from the "best defender in the game". How embarrassing.

                                  [–]Swalker326Noobkin 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                  Don't forget the melt down he had when I called him out on it too.

                                  [–]quassuscrosky | Tears 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                  Lol it was painfully obvious he was deflecting:

                                  http://www.twitch.tv/tagprotv/b/622386765?t=63m30s

                                  [–]radiosilentwhiteflame 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  gf walked in while i was listening to this, so i gave her a quick rundown. she immediately said it reminded her of this clip from Friends

                                  [–]BoringCodeBallsagnia 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I'd be working at Google . . . I don't think it's possible to make a bot that's as good as me.

                                  That sounds like bullshit even if you don't know he was using a bot.

                                  [–]SUpirateThePirate / 30SMB 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I played them week 2, and got completely dominated to an embarrassing extent, and then told my team there's no way he uses a bot.

                                  [–]All_nightCam Watts //Knights of Cap-a-lot//mLTP Spherical Squires Captain 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Oh snap. I got called out..

                                  Confirmed. GriefSeeds is my boss.

                                  [–]tottinhos 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  wow that was painful, especially the bit about his dog

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                                      [–]SamSims- 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      All the convicted should have to OFM their own bots to decide their fate!

                                      [–]InnerPeaceBall 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                      Hey, just a couple of questions, AND LIKE, LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS THAT I KIND OF WANT ANSWERED, not just asking to be mean or pushy or anything.

                                      1. How was it established they were cheating?

                                      2. What sort of bot script were they using?

                                      3. If Ballzilla was never using the bot script during competitive games, why exactly is he being banned? He would have never technically done anything wrong, in terms of his competitive play. Or is it the for mere fact he has used a bot during pubs or scrims that he is facing discipline?

                                      [–]sbanusSwergonomics 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      You make the method of confirmation public you make it easier to avoid detection in the future. You don't make it public and we just have to take their word for it....though scenario.

                                      [–]devilmightcareTroBall // Tears 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      1. A trial of evidence, confirmed by the Devs.

                                      2. More then one bot script exists

                                      3. Devs have been clear on the rules. Botting in pub games gets you banned form Tagpro. Our ban is in conjunction with that.

                                      [–]-EasterEggs 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                      0k supposedly had a script that mirror fc actions to get 1 on 1 returns.

                                      [–]ravenprideRaven 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                      0k supposedly had a script that would mirror fc actions to get 1 on 1 returns.

                                      [–]-EasterEggs 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                      0k supposedly had a script that would supposedly mirror fc actions to get 1 on 1 returns.

                                      [–]Aaron215MLTP: Streamer for Roll Models // USC: Cappin' Planet[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      1) We will not be discussing specifics. We have confirmed they used the bots, and it has been also confirmed with the devs.

                                      2) Any script was detected. We will be releasing more names with a variety of cheating scripts as they are confirmed. We prefer to do this in batches, so we may hold off for one large post in the future. This is the reason for the delay in MLTP and NLTP.

                                      3) Ballzilla is banned from TagPro, not just MLTP. In my opinion (just me speaking here) I would agree with the MLTP ban regardless of dev action, for reasons I mention in the post.

                                      [–]InnerPeaceBall 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Alright :), so long as a script is detected or proven somehow, and determining if it's a bot isn't based solely on intuition or controversy or them "looking like bots" then I'm in full agreement with the bans. Hopefully an investigation will happen in NLTP soon

                                      [–]nubTheGreat 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      ooooooh shit

                                      [–]Nnats 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Wow. This is pretty crazy. I remember people saying that Grief was botting over the past few months, but I always thought it was just people who were salty or paranoid.

                                      Either way, great job by the devs. If we weren't able to detect this, it would probably ruin MLTP.

                                      [–]the_sidewalk_endssidewalk // Probots // Captain 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                      Is Ballzilla's ban from MLTP also for life? You said his ban was in conjunction with the ban from tagpro, but that ban is only for a month. Will he be allowed to return to MLTP after a month considering that he never used a bot in competitive play and accidentally used it in a pub?

                                      [–]-Time-LP^2 >> BNB >> retired 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                      The fact that they're leaving this unanswered, yet responding to other comments, leaves me hopeful that they're actually discussing going this route.

                                      [–]the_sidewalk_endssidewalk // Probots // Captain 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      Yeah, I hope so too.

                                      [–]DaaCoachBull 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      Even if it were just a season, I'd like to see that happen. I hope the devs can pull out how long the script was on for and make a reasonable judgment call. It's a webgame with a tight knit community and most of us respect ballzilla. Not everything has to be so harsh and black and white.

                                      [–]brent12345Ranger 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                      Even in SOCL, I've heard reports of this, but I never had any basis to take action until now.

                                      All players that have been caught cheating (either those above, or others identified in the future) are banned in SOCL until further notice, including Checknate, GriefSeeds, and Ballzilla.

                                      Any championships won with these players will be vacated. While that unfairly penalizes their teammates, I see no other option.

                                      (All of the above is something I'll discuss with the other SOCL commissioners, but I really doubt anyone will object.)

                                      [–]MisterGone5MrGone // 30SMB 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      There is a rather simple way to wipe out only the players that cheated, if that's the route we want to go. Obviously it still would give their teammates the win even if they were carried by the cheater, so we'll have to discuss this further.

                                      [–]brent12345Ranger 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Exactly. We'll discuss the second half of this (what happens to the teammates' records), but the first half is set in stone. Cheaters banned.

                                      [–]king_jacobiwayne/Bop'em Plock'em Showbots 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      Well they are banned from TagPro. period. There is no way they can play socl now.

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                                        [–]BanzaiOnTagPro 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                        In the following days, we will release a larger list of names containing players in our league who have cheated in a variety of ways, and corresponding punishments. These are the only bot script users we are releasing at this time.

                                        Perhaps it's inappropriate for me to weigh in here. Sorry if so. But I have to sort of play devil's advocate/defense attorney here. If the above quote is true, it seems terribly unfair. Even if others are named or do self-report, it's likely these three guys will be the players most heavily-branded as "cheaters."

                                        I suspect the mysterious schedule delay and anticipation of a big announcement led to this post getting a greater than usual amount of attention. (I suppose the fact that I'm here commenting is evidence of that.) If other names trickle out and players are punished, "justice" will still be served, but there will be significantly fewer pitchforks.

                                        I think it's a great idea to give people the opportunity to self-report. But if you do have a list of already-caught cheaters, I don't think it's right to withhold them.

                                        Perhaps there isn't actually a list, in which case I understand the potential motivation to use the threat as a ploy scare cheaters into coming clean. But at this point I'm not sure it's necessary. This is now M/m/NLTP all having cheaters exposed, correct? I think it's pretty clear that if you cheat you're likely to get caught.

                                        As Tpr alluded to, these guys are going to have it pretty rough. So while I understand there isn't a lot of sympathy towards them right now, if they're not any more guilty of cheating than several others, I just don't think it's right to potentially make them bigger pariahs.

                                        [–]Aaron215MLTP: Streamer for Roll Models // USC: Cappin' Planet[S] 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                        The above is true, I wouldn't have said it otherwise. Other than just being honest, I also would look like a fool if another list never came.

                                        I sincerely hope that nobody on these posts are going to be given the pitchfork treatment. We can be disappointed or even angry that our trust was betrayed, but I expect a high level of civility from our community.

                                        Excellent point. We are not withholding. As with this group here, we are painstakingly checking every angle to make sure we have everything correct in confirming they have cheated, and then putting the same level of care into how we address each case. As you've seen here, not even all of these 3 were addressed in the same way, though all three used a similar or even the same script. That is because we understand what our actions mean to these players, as well as their teams and friends.

                                        I take great pride in this leagues' ability to function, and I believe the only way for that to continue is for everyone involved (from the commissioners to the captains to the players to the spectators) to act with integrity and respect, and to refuse to engage in personal attacks.

                                        You're absolutely right to weigh in here.

                                        [–]BanzaiOnTagPro 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                        Ah, ok. I wasn't trying to call BS or anything. It would've been understandable to try to scare people into coming clean. I was just worried that if that had been the case, the downsides may not have been fully thought out.

                                        But that's irrelevant now, because what you're saying clears it up. You have other names that will come out, but you're still finishing the investigation.

                                        The way I took it in the original post was that the "more names will be coming out" statement was intended to be threatening. The way you explained it now, I realize it was more just a statement of fact.

                                        Thanks for clearing it up (and for all the work you guys do).

                                        [–]Aaron215MLTP: Streamer for Roll Models // USC: Cappin' Planet[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                        That's a really good point. I should have worded that more clearly, or maybe not used bold. I wanted it to be seen by everyone, I can see that bold would be more intimidating looking. I'm not editing it now as then it looks like something else was changed, but I'll keep tone in mind when making the next post. Thanks. And my pleasure. We all really want this league to be the best it can be.

                                        [–]BanzaiOnTagPro 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                        Hey sorry, one last question. It's not really related to this series of comments but I figured I'd just ask here. Can you clarify something for me? I'm in NLTP and just want to make sure of something.

                                        I've never used a bot or keypress thing or anything like that. But when I first discovered userscripts I tried basically anything I saw discussed on the main sub. I just wanted to see what they all did. This was probably 6 months ago and I wasn't even remotely connected to any sort of competitive play, so never even considered their "legality." I just (naively, I guess) assumed if they weren't allowed in tagpro they wouldn't be on the sub.

                                        I genuinely don't remember most of them, I tended to just see what they did and then delete them. The worst one--the one I know to be illegal--was a pup timer. It didn't work and I deleted it. And, obviously, never used it in any sort of competitive play. But I know it was once in use on my account. So I'm not sure if that's a problem.

                                        Then a week ago I saw the script that showed the fc's name and wanted to try that out. But then I saw people questioning its legality, and since I was involved in competitive stuff, I erred on the side of caution and deleted it. I never used it in anything competitive, but technically I had it installed at one time.

                                        Obviously if anybody is using questionable stuff now they should self-report. But is there a statute of limitations? Should people just be self-reporting anything they're concerned could've ever been an infraction?

                                        I'm 100% certain I've never used anything illegal in competitive play, and the "most illegal" thing I ever used was a pup timer for a few pubs several months before I ever played anything competitive. But this whole thing--especially Ballzilla's case--has me a bit paranoid. I don't want to "self-report" stuff that doesn't matter and waste anybody's time, but I also wouldn't want to have to go back and try to explain something that I'd have no problem admitting to now.

                                        I guess I just admitted to anything I'd have to say in my own case lol, but I'm assuming there are others in the same boat, so maybe your response could help them.

                                        Thanks.

                                        [–]SoconyPengWin 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                        wait Juke King was right...wtf

                                        [–]MrJoehobo 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Yo jukeking was using a bot for a while too. So

                                        [–]TagProTyrusTy | ALL CAPS | Pi 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        He knows from experience

                                        [–]viggetuff 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Yeah, I remember everyone shitting on him in the Twitch chat when he said Grief was cheating.

                                        [–]skwid8 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Wow. I was probably naive in thinking this, but I never would have guessed that this is as big of a problem as you say.

                                        [–]StraightZlatCapernicus 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                        Are physical robots who looks at the screen, analyze the data, then press corresponding arrow keys on my keyboard allowed? Because Im actually a robot in real life.

                                        [–]bizkut 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        Fun fact, I asked LuckySpammer about that a couple weeks ago and he said that'd be fine. He figures once bots are sentient enough to do all of that, it would be discrimination to punish them.

                                        [–]bobby_gordon1TheBob18 || Glorious Knights of Cap-a-Lot 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Christ, that is certainly disappointing.

                                        [–]immorta1 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                        I don't have any experience in bot scripts and what they do. How exactly do these bots help you cheat? Do they move your ball for you?

                                        [–]TimeModNLTPmasterrace 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        One of the more prevalent bots matches the flag carrier's movement (essentially instantly) so it's pretty much impossible to get by the defender without a power-up or a good boost or bomb. It was used to make 1v1, open field tags manageable, as that's probably the hardest thing to defend against.

                                        Though there's quite a few claims of other types of bots in this thread, I know there are scrips that show other players' arrow presses, velocity, and things like that. Defining those as a "bot" seems like a misnomer, so maybe there's other types of bots I'm unaware of.

                                        I understand they don't want to go into specifics so that anyone else creating bots doesn't learn how to circumvent their current techniques for catching botters.

                                        [–]AnarchismYookthen 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        I believe they are mainly for defense and chasing. You can toggle them on and chase for you.

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                                          [–]king_jacobiwayne/Bop'em Plock'em Showbots 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          I'm glad they are finally cracking down.

                                          [–]LeesusChristBigMeaty 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I knew there was something off about Griefseeds when we scrimmed this season. I even told Turbo that I firmly believed he was cheating somehow because I've never come across a defender who could perfectly predict my movements like him. Ah well, the punishment fits the crime.

                                          [–]thevdudepooppants 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (5子コメント)

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                                          [–]TagProTyrusTy | ALL CAPS | Pi 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          Pooppants fix mod manager.

                                          [–]I_mess_up 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          Pooppants fix Gecko Tools

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                                            [–]NotTeal 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Checkmate, CHECKNATE! OOOOOOHHHH....gottem

                                            [–]PiazzaDeliveryCanadsian // Radius // Glorious Knights of Cap-a-lot 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                            I'd like to give the accused the benefit of the doubt until more information is released. Having played alongside all three of these guys on several occasions, I have never suspected any of them to be botting. Although I doubt the league would take these actions without substantial evidence, I sincerely hope that they have made a mistake. I do not want to lose faith in this community that I love so dearly.

                                            [–]checknate1CHECKNATE// s6 & s7 Capitalists 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                            I understand all of this, and I do know that it's necessary to protect the integrity of TagPro. I just wanted to say something quickly, I've never used anything to cheat in an MLTP game, and I just hope I can prove that. Ive gotten my ankles broken way too many times in MLTP for me to be using a bot.

                                            I'm sorry for this though, I fucked up by getting the thing in the first place.

                                            [–]mercurysinkingeagles. 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                            Until further proof is given, I'm siding with my teammate. From what I have heard and been led to believe, this is an astoundingly heavy handed punishment that in no way fits the crime that was committed.

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                                              [–]MultiMediaWill 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (29子コメント)

                                              I demand an apology:

                                              http://www.reddit.com/r/MLTP/comments/2v9h2y/wire_threadweek_3post_streams_and_discuss/cofobst

                                              -Juke King

                                              [–]Splanky222BBQchicken 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                              The problem wasn't the content, at least from my perspective. It's that you took over the whole chat in the process and kind of killed any sort of atmosphere the stream could have had.

                                              [–]MultiMediaWill 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                              From your perspective: I apologize to you.

                                              From grief's perspective: he claimed I was spreading nonsense, which is a lie. I was spreading facts.

                                              [–]Splanky222BBQchicken 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              Apology accepted :D

                                              Obv I can't speak for grief tho.

                                              Because of all the spam, I had banned you in the tagprotv chat following the stream last Sunday. I just unbanned you, but go try to say something in there and make sure I didn't mess it up.

                                              [–]MultiMediaWill 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Twitch tv chat works for me. ty

                                              [–]ndpricenickramyoga 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              forgive us King for we have sinned

                                              [–]BuckeyeLeavesBallDon'tLie 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                              Nah. Just because he was banned from MLTP doesn't mean you weren't a jerk about the whole thing.

                                              [–]cdodgec04Dodge || School of Hard Ballies 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                              spamming meaningless nonsense

                                              clearly not nonsense if it warrants a lifetime ban, sorry.

                                              [–]Splanky222BBQchicken 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              spamming

                                              was my issue with it.

                                              [–]BuckeyeLeavesBallDon'tLie 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              I'm not talking about what Grief said at any point. Juke King was in Twitch chats and reddit comments acting inappropriately. Simple as that. I won't praise him for acting that way.

                                              [–]MultiMediaWill 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Yeah true, but to call me a 'cancer' for telling a fact is worthy of an apology. I could have handled it better though.

                                              [–]-EasterEggs 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                              What are the tell tale signs that someone is botting

                                              [–]BuckeyeLeavesBallDon'tLie 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              He used a bot himself at one point I believe, which I assume is why he knows.

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                                                  [–]Syniikal 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Clear their stats and recalculate the GASP or there will be riots in the streets

                                                  [–]EmperorOfNothingNug/MLTP turned NLTP scrub/Ankyloblepharons (S6) 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  There is so much on my mind with this, but all I can say is "Wow" to all of this news.

                                                  Big revelations going on...

                                                  [–]TnelsExquisite 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                  For life?

                                                  [–]StraightZlatCapernicus 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                  no they can always get a new ip and have a fresh start

                                                  [–]Aaron215MLTP: Streamer for Roll Models // USC: Cappin' Planet[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                  If it was that simple, less people would be banned for ban evasion.

                                                  [–]nolanizerCosine 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  I have a simple solution: just move somewhere else, purchase a new computer, get vocal chord surgery and voila, you're good to go again!

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