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The "Dead Game" Effect - by Liquid'Nazgul[Other] (i.imgur.com)

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[–]MousesportsChoraldo 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (35子コメント)

I don't think the people who post dead game comments really care about the future of Starcraft 2 or anything of the sort. They just like posting snarky comments because it makes them feel like they're somehow smarter than everyone else for having a more 'realistic' view. "Pfft, wake up kids, if you were as insightful as me you'd see the truth."

[–]CanTouchMe 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

t makes them feel like they're somehow smarter than everyone else for having a more 'realistic' view

Or, like you said, they just don't care and like to make other people mad.

[–]NeoDestiny 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (25子コメント)

I don't think the people who post dead game comments really care about the future of Starcraft 2 or anything of the sort.

Who the fuck are you, dude? Some random fucking no-name retarded shitter who posts one-off comments on a fucking subreddit? Seriously, it's absolutely crazy how completely fucking out-of-line this comment is.

Player after player is being forced into retirement because there's absolutely no fucking money in the scene. The WCS stuff is helping, now, finally, but even that's only a pittance compared to what's available to DotA, LoL and CSGO players. Seeing Koreans and EU players grind out $100 tournaments because they're dirt fucking poor is fucking disgusting, especially considering how much time goes into a game like this. Seeing people like MC having to beg and beg and beg to get a 3k/month salary (which, by the way, is one of the HIGHEST salaries you can get in SC2 atm outside of KeSPa) is fucking sad.

So no, fuck you, it's not just about "OH NOE MUH FEELINGS", it's about the people who live and work in this arena not being able to make a living (or even decent side change) doing ANYTHING because the audience isn't fucking there. I get videos on r/dota or r/csgo and I get 30k+ views on a video, easily, on my little Youtube channel. SC2 videos are worth maybe 3-4k.

It's not about being mad because "big bad people like Destiny make the mean posts and make the sponsors go away :(" it's about being frustrated that people like JaKaTaK put hundreds of hour into making content and get <1k views on a ton of their videos, where doing the same thing in League would net you a 6fig income. It's about the dozens of unpaid writers and staff of community and team sites who get NOTHING for their work.

They just like posting snarky comments because it makes them feel like they're somehow smarter than everyone else for having a more 'realistic' view. "Pfft, wake up kids, if you were as insightful as me you'd see the truth."

Yeah dawg, that's exactly right, dude. I LOVE being right about all of this stuff, oh god it feels so good. If Blizzard had taken the reigns on SC2 and made it a TOP e-sport instead of this lazy sideshow where the fucking WCS rulebook can't even get published, I'd be making 500k/year. But no, I actually don't care about that at all, I'm glad to sacrifice that income just so I can say "I told you so". I'm glad to know that every single hour I invest into SC2 against LoL/DotA/CSGO because I love playing the game is a bad financial decision for me and my family because this game has no fucking future compared to what Riot/Valve can deliver.

Seriously, you're so fucking ignorant it hurts, it hurts that you can post something this stupid and have so many people agree with you, I can't believe how fucking stupid people are, jesus fucking christ.

And fuck Nazgul for posting this. Burying your fucking head in the sand and pretending like there's not a problem NEVER FUCKING WORKED. I said it 2 years ago and look where we are now? Now you want to blame people like ME for where SC2 is because I was right about what I said?

fuck all of this shit, holy fuck

[–]ProtossAnimostas 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think what he was saying was intended for, and is probably true for the average person that just spams "ded gaem" in the subreddit.

[–]Evil GeniusesMrBlackz -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not at all, the people spamming "ded gaem" are considered obvious trolls. There were many posts that were serious about the deteriorating state of sc2 and this post is most definitely referring to these posts. If he is referring to those then I overestimated nazgul.

[–]Invictus Gamingkoroshi-ya 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (5子コメント)

destiny please, cool off

nazgul wasn't saying people should be "burying their heads in the sand", he's saying people should stop posting retarded and meaningless posts only containing "lel ded gaem"

he never said not to criticize blizzard or not to talk about things they don't like

[–]Terran_nephilim_ [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

I think destiny understands what Nazgul was saying. But his career is built around being edgy and a nay-sayer so he can't just acknowledge anything positive about the game right now, because as soon as he does he becomes irrelevant. Even in some bizarre parallel universe where Blizzard did everything Destiny wanted done, he'd find some way to critique them and say they didn't make the changes soon enough, thus ded gaem...

[–]Incredible MiracleNoobity [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

I think you're criticizing Destiny too harshly here. The only thing edgy about what he's saying is his tone and the language he uses, which is pretty easy to look beyond when you consider that he is replying to someone who is essentially accusing him.

He was right before, Blizzard either took or was already in the middle of implementing a lot of his ideas. They may have been common sense, but he's the one that voiced it all and took the flak he did. I don't think Nazgul was talking about Destiny when he answered this question, but Destiny spawned the people he's talking about by analyzing the state of the game and making his suggestions (in a very Destiny way). He said in his post a lot of positive things, but he's reasonably annoyed that Blizzard didn't make a drastic enough improvement that he feels was common sense. I mean, I understand the hate people have for Destiny or the distaste for his personality, but the dude isn't wrong here.

[–]Terran_nephilim_ [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

Half his post is him defending the "ded gaem" argument and complaining about the lack of money in the scene. The other half is him calling everyone who disagrees with him stupid and talking about how much passion he has for SC because he could be making more money elsewhere. I don't really see anything positive in that.

This guy just can't handle nuance and is all about drenching his arguments with expletives to reinforce what he says. I see it as his schtick and how he earns his paycheck so I don't judge. So no, I don't hate his personality. I just find it ridiculous that we have such an active presence by Blizzard yet people like destiny complain that they "don't care". It's just a really weak argument in my opinion.

[–]ZergJollyWhiskerThe4th [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

I just find it ridiculous that we have such an active presence by Blizzard yet

we have such an active presence by Blizzard

we w0t m8

[–]Terran_nephilim_ [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Yeah I get that that goes against the grain here. But they are very active developers, especially as we see LotV slowly take shape with new ideas to satisfy desires we didn't even know we had.

[–]Primemarkrevival 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I got to the fifth sentence before I realized you were serious. Then I saw the username and it all made sense.

[–]AlbinosRa 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Then it's not ded game, it's just the speculative sc2 bubble that burst. You are hurt because you want viewers ; so in a way your "ded games" comments are legit because you are financially involved, but every random guy posting "ded gaem" because he wants to fit in / wants to seem cynical/strangely wants "co-viewers" is just pathetic.

[–]Incredible MiracleNoobity [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

The ability for our pros to support themselves financially is far more important to me than Destiny, and he's right when he says that there isn't any here. The fact that people overlook this because "hey Destiny said it and he's always super negative" is pretty disheartening.

[–]hsya 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Do you still believe what you said back then was some kind of brilliant prophecy that you developed and nobody else was aware of?
Next thing you will probably claim that the changes Blizzard is making are a result of the dead game shit you pushed?
In reality plenty of people had realistic views on the future of Starcraft, most of them are more mature than a teenager and recognized that screaming "everything is shit" would only make things worse.
Nobody apart from some idiots thinks that starcraft would be doing fine without the dead game talk, however it certainly would be better off.

[–]KT Rolsternuposta 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

of course he'll get all defensive and say "who the fuck are you" when someone gives any criticism to the very attitude which pays his fucking bills

Like I know he'll get on a high horse and pretend otherwise but he knows his "community", let's take a quick example, a post below:

FineFleur [score hidden] 35 minutes ago

REKT

That's a great piece of literature with a clear influence from Hermann Hesse. I tip my TLO to you.

is clearly a part of his fanbase, let's do a quick comment history check shall we? oh golly gee what a surprise, the most recent comment, finding an example was easier than I thought:

Scarlett is now streaming Dota with a new twitch account! by HuuLLK in starcraft

[–]FineFleur -8 points 23 days ago

Dead game.

He may not want this because he actually likes the game, but his fanboys are shitting up the forums and do actually have a negative impact, no matter how insignificant it is. So kindly /u/neodestiny tell them to fuck off with that particular meme or go play CSGO or some other game long enough to make them stop coming here, and you'll be doing us all a favor. Play starcraft off stream maybe, gl hf.

[–]Eluscious 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Weow.

[–]ProtossDrunkchamakh [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

SoDoge

[–]Evil Geniusesfyrn [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I was going to see if you're streaming, or any other SC2 player that I enjoy. So i scrolled down the game list on Twitch, past FIFA, RuneScape and "Music" to see that no, nobody I ever enjoyed watching was streaming. But maybe I'll get into wulong0729 or musti20045.

The WCS, for me, hasn't been enjoyable to watch at all either. Everytime I get to tune in it's random, boring matches casted by people I've never seen or heard of, seemingly falling asleep at the desk. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh to those who like these guys but I personally just couldn't enjoy any WCS broadcast for quite a while now (mostly EU

I'll probably watch the final moments of the season and I'll likely be at BlizzCon. Last year I've only watched a single game there though (Jaedong, obviously,) and after that couldn't bring myself to walk over to the stage because there was so many beer stands on the way tempting me to just drown my sorrow.

[–]ProtossDrunkchamakh [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

10/10 plz stop investing hours in this joke that SC2 has become and move on to some danker shit !

[–]Randompartysnatcher [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Player after player is being forced into retirement because there's absolutely no fucking money in the scene. The WCS stuff is helping, now, finally, but even that's only a pittance compared to what's available to DotA, LoL and CSGO players.

That is "hard times". It is not the same as "dead game". If someone posted "hard times gaem" then sure. If they post "dead game" it's just classic negativity circlejerk bullshit just like /u/Choraldo says.

And fuck Nazgul for posting this. Burying your fucking head in the sand and pretending like there's not a problem NEVER FUCKING WORKED.

Nor did overexaggerating a problem.

Playing and watching computer games are special activities because they are based on pure intrinsic ("enjoyment based") motivation. Because of this, there's a really fine line between productive realism which you suggest is the only hope of making the community grow, and negative poisonous bile that actually reduces SC2 spectator counts.

I guess your target in this case is Blizzard, that you hope that enough negativity will make Blizzard react, pump in money in one way or another, and eventually the scene will be brought back to full vigour again.

MOBAs worked like hell long before Valve / Riot. DOTA under WC3 took up most of the WC3 scene and became huge throughout Asia without no money in there at all. Turns out MOBAs are REALLY easy to sell. The WC3 character / control system + illusion of RTS level skill + the team setting + very little experience of individual defeat = is a massive hit.

All Riot / Valve had to do was to slap the "eSports" logo on there and the train started running on it's own. It's not like they're geniuses. DOTA ran like hell under WC3 with the shittiest features in gaming.

In this context, I really doubt that Blizzard can do that much about SC2 alone. I think it will be part community effort and part just waiting for the next hype slot for RTSes. Open yourself to the possibility that all we really can to do is enjoy the game, be hopeful and wait for better times.

The plan to nag and be negative for years and years until Blizzard finally opens up their purses and becomes super smart and breathes life into SC2? I strongly doubt this will ever work. It is much more likely to affect the community in a bad way.

I realize you've made a bad investment, but the anger from that does not belong in the productive / realistic / rational category.

[–]Mariuslol -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

fuck, fuckety, fuck, fuck, fuck!!

[–]ZergSonicAlarm[🍰] [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

SC2 is going to be rather short-lived compared to other titles such as League, Dota, and CSGO only because Riot and Valve are dedicated to promoting those games' growth as Esports. SC2 is just Blizzard's side-bitch. I understand that you're devestated due to countless hours invested into SC2, but instead of raving like a lunatic, maybe you should go practice League.

[–]blizzopticon [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Dont forget...You wouldnt have fans if it werent for sc2.

How do you continue to act like you know what you are talking about? The jig is up dude, no one actually thinks you are smart anymore

Fuck. off. You are toxic, entitled, and actually really unintelligent. So tired of having to read your shitposts and your legion of adolescents who upvote them.

Please hurry up and fade into obscurity.

[–]megame23 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I love Starcraft, I go by the name Fenix in most games still. But This game is far from what I hoped it would be. I am unhappy with how the game plays and with how Blizzard has handled WCS. I call it a dead game because the numbers continue to fall, organizations, shows, and events around it have moved on. It is a more realistic view. I don't want Starcraft to be in the state it is, but when I see more and more bad news I think about how its a 'dead game'.

[–]ZergeIectricsheep 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't want Starcraft to be in the state it is, but when I see more and more bad news I think about how its a 'dead game'.

You don't want StarCraft to die but your contribution to the community is to go to forum threads and throw in clever lines like "dead game more dead"?

[–]AxiomSuperHb -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Honestly I think that the people that post dead game and angry posts saying how blizzard is driving sc2 into the ground are the people who care the most.

Of course the game isn't changing and you will love MMA just as much if the scene is big or small. But when the scene becomes so small that it becomes unprofitable for streamers to play sc2, and a mass exodus takes place to other games (which has already started) then one day you might wake up and see that your favorite streamer has quit.

LIKING THE GAME IS NOT ENOUGH. IF THE SCENE ISN'T THRIVING, THE SPONSORS DON'T COME, THE PLAYERS DON'T GET MONEY, AND THE PLAYERS STOP PLAYING.

IT IS THAT SIMPLE.

Quit with this bullshit "I hate this toxicity". It's not toxicity it's realism and you have to accept it and you have to push for change. Holyyy shit how long are we gonna pretend this is not a problem?

[–]KT Rolsternuposta 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

shitposting is still shitposting, you're not posting well constructed arguments you're posting the dead game meme, don't be a fucking hypocrite, your comment history clearly shows you're full of shit and this post right here is you trying to pretend you're posting shit like "Dead game" to be constructive