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[–]Marxist_RowsdowerMy So Called Orwellian Life 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You'll just be met by a Rorschach-style response. "No"

Please, stop. I'm getting so many wrinkles from these "edgy" quotes.

[–]glitch_gAll the ethics. All of them. 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (6子コメント)

At this point, I feel like the portrayal was well-deserved.

Also, the level of delusion Oliver is exhibiting here is off the charts. He's mad and desperate for a way to turn this into a "victory".

[–]only_your_enemy 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

He's referring to at least the Kotaku review of the episode:

It's corny, terrifying shlock that demonizes hardcore gamers and turns complicated conversations over misogyny in gaming into a cartoon caricature of good vs. evil.

So I think he's saying yeah no shit, you guys (game journalists) perpetuated these notions.

[–]cykosysActually, it's about ethics in guitar solos 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

So I think he's saying yeah no shit, you guys (game journalists) perpetuated these notions by reporting on what a portion of the gaming community were doing.

You forgot the rest of that sentence.

[–]only_your_enemy 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's true; I thought it was a given.

[–]cykosysActually, it's about ethics in guitar solos 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Forgive me, some things have become synonymous with ork ork ork at this point.

[–]H3llPixieSocial Justice NPC 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

turns complicated conversations...into a cartoon caricature of good vs. evil

So yeah, a typical SVU episode.

[–]bradamantium92feminist gazpacho 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's still just so hilariously wrong because I don't recall the part where games journalists reported that gamers could take down the power grid, or outsmart police detectives for days, or end up in a standoff with Ice-T. SVU portrayed gamers this way because they needed a villain, they like to tap into current events, and the show is half-baked bullshit at the best of times. I don't know why anyone would expect anything of nuance or substance out of the show. They can manage it at times, but it's not too often, and the direction they took is a loss for everyone but viewers looking to burn an hour.

[–]RexMundaneSocial Justice JuiceBro 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (3子コメント)

How Dare you report on the Death and Rape Threats we've all been making and promoting and defending? How Dare you report that some people have acted on them as well? Don't you see that gives people the impression that people make Death and Rape Threats, and that some people also act on them?

His argument, which seems to be that all gamers were demonized by the episode, only holds true if you believe, as he does, that threatening to rape and kill people is just a part of the day-to-day for a gamer. That it's normal and should be accepted, and that the dreaded GameJournoPros are the ones trying to make threats and acts of violence out to be a bad thing.

I mean, I don't know how you could, even theorietically, better go about advertising yourself as an unhinged sociopath, except by peppering an impotent rage-laced twitter rant with a bunch of "fucks" and "goddams" and "asses" for maximum edginess. Ah well, I'm sure his DHS, FBI, CDC, NASA contacts will soon put all those game journalists in their place for standing in the way of him, the new MLK and all.

[–]Wrecksomethingproudly pro-corruption 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

only holds true if you believe, as he does, that threatening to rape and kill people is just a part of the day-to-day for a gamer.

Except that assumption also makes his argument fall apart. Because if this is true about all gamers, it is appropriate to say it about all gamers. It wouldn't be damaging if it was supposedly acceptable. In reality it's true of very few and that is what the call outs target too.

[–]blahdenfreude 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

All gamers were not demonized. Ice T is a hard-ass mofo with a heart of gold.

[–]shahryarrakeenDiGRA-trained Orca 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's funny that they defend their actions by saying "That's just how we roll on the internet, princess" And when someone identifies their group as the source, they say "That's not how we roll on the internet, fascist"

[–]PISSLEMONSIT BURNS 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (5子コメント)

It doesn't matter what side of the issue you are on in regards to GG, this episode was not meant for us. Take a step back and pretend you're someone who has never heard of GG or the problems in gaming community; that makes the episode just another "entertaining" way to kill an hour.

I don't get why people are acting like so many people saw this episode and that they're going to think "omg gamers are evil!". Ignoring the fact that they clearly made it look like only a few gamers were crazy and bad, the people who watch this are mostly people who won't think much about this episode past the fact that it was a new episode with another case of someone ending up dead.

I mean damn, the only people I know who watch this series and take it seriously are people like my parents, and they don't go looking for in-depth discussions or meanings. Most people aren't even going to be aware that this episode is mocking GG, reddit, 8chan, etc.

[–]myGGthrowawaySea Lion Tamer 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't get why people are acting like so many people saw this episode and that they're going to think "omg gamers are evil!".

Haven't people been arguing that representations of a certain group in the media causes people treat that group differently? edit: Interesting that gators would reject that argument

[–]sutemiakaShilly down with the Ghazi Gang 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, because media totes doesn't have any effect on people whatsoever. Nope.

[–]DrakosAmatrasAnonymous Legitimate Source 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which reminds me of this episode Extra Credits did.

[–]ClumpyReal games have chest-high walls 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most people haven't been making nearly as strong causal links between media and behavior as often portrayed; it's more of a chicken-and-the-egg thing where media portrayals can reinforce and validate certain narratives and treatments.

It's clear, for example, when talking to many people that they see portrayal of minority statuses as intrusive and inherently politically motivated. It's hard to imagine that worldview existing to that extent in an environment in which a wider variety of character portrayals exist without marginalization or leaning too heavy on the tropes.

Even if "gamer" were an immediately visible status like race or sex, or one which had resulted in people being directly jailed only a few decades ago like sexual orientation, this conversation on the GG side has never really been about mainstream media portrayals of gamers; more about a particular subculture within gaming not being fellated and targeted directly for all content and all releases for the brief moments in which some article or game comes out or some developer or writer says something that they disagree with. Then they seem determined to reinforce these negative stereotypes and this garbage rhetoric, which is after all what bubbled this discussion up into the public sphere in the first place.

[–]PISSLEMONSIT BURNS 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think anyone said that, more like when you keep portraying people in a certain way, it re-affirms their beliefs and people see those tropes and stereotypes as "truths". For example, if you and other media forms keep using the trope "women are nags" then people who think that way have it reaffirm their beliefs. If this is done often then yeah, people believe that shit.

That's not really applicable for GG for a couple of reasons:

  1. This isn't a common trope or theme in the media. Gamers, as a whole, weren't portrayed as awful in this episode - in fact, they went out of there way to show that it was only a few crazy guys. I mean they even had one character telling Ice-T that it was thanks to his video game skills that he helped bring the bad guys down.

  2. This show really isn't that popular or watched by the people who play video games. Like I said, most aren't going to know what they're mocking, and most aren't going to see it as anything else than a new episode. Anyone who thinks gamers are evil or whatever already thinks that way.

Anyways, dunno if that's what you meant but I gotta get back to work.

[–]QuintinStone⁂ Libertarian GamerGate Denier ⁂ 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (2子コメント)

  • Gamergate people act like assholes

  • Games media reports on Gamergate people acting like assholes

  • SVU portrays Gamergate people acting like assholes

  • It's all the journalists' fault

Oliver, maybe Gamergate people should stop acting like assholes.

[–]ClumpyReal games have chest-high walls 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If I have a complaint, it's that SVU's simplistic portrayal didn't quite nail down the exact flavor of the entitled assholitude that is GG. It becomes a Mad Magazine parody, but not the type where you get the idea that the writers know what on earth they're talking about.

[–]socialjusticeorcLiterally Internet Stalin ☭ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"have you tried not being an asshole?"

[–]PISSLEMONSIT BURNS 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I bet that ethics in journalism joke ain't so fucking funny anymore, is it?

Nah, it's still funny bro.

[–]Hashmirinferior to women in all respects 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Arguably funnier now.

[–]Plan6 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ethics in Sport Journalism.
Ethics in Music Journalism. Ethics in Horse racing journalism. Ethics in Sumo Wrestling Journalism. Ethics in Cooking Journalism. Ethics in Knitting Journalism.

Its all hysterical that they treat their hobby like someone people treat civil rights. How insecure do you have to be where your hobby completely defines you as a person?

[–]knife_missileSocial Justice Wumpus 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sure any concept of "ethics in the civil rights struggle" would be highly inclusive...

[–]LeverArchFileStep into my echo chamber 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is problem number 1 with GG. This is literally the most offended these people have ever been in their lives. They come from such a position of privilege that this, this, is the most reason they have ever had to be upset.

For all their hate of SJWs, they would have been one themselves, years ago, but nothing even managed to push their hot button because they never had to face sexual assault, or racism, or anything like that.

This is their Rosa Parks moment, where they have gone "you know what, fuck this, this is the last straw." And that's so supremely sad that out of all the issues in their lives, this is the one that hits home the most to be a call to action. Fucking video games.

[–]shahryarrakeenDiGRA-trained Orca 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ethics in Music Journalism

Oh fuck, they're on to me. Runn!!

[–]Wrecksomethingproudly pro-corruption 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because guess what game journalists: You're terrorists now.

His argument is that it's inappropriate to criticize the bad behaviors of Gators because then they'll get a bad reputation. So he calls out this (perceived) bad behavior of call-outs and gives journalists a bad reputation of "terrorists."

Can they please, please learn to type a single sentence that is internally consistent FFS.

[–]Nurglings 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (5子コメント)

He is also the guy who said this.

[–]sajberhippienPress ->Esc and watch it collapse, Hey! 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

...

wow

...

that is all i have to say

[–]Angel_FeatherEthics! Wait, no, Bitcoin! SJWs? 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I looked at that image for a few seconds. It took maybe fifteen seconds, total, to comprehend what I was reading. I had trouble fighting past my sheer disbelief that anyone could say this. Then my mind retreated and I broke into the only defense I had - hysterical laughter that went on for two minutes straight, startling my cat and sending him fleeing from the room.

Thanks Oliver. You scared my cat. You jerk.

[–]ClumpyReal games have chest-high walls 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can see it in the full version of MLK's speech, actually, which aligns much more closely with the GG message:

"I have NiGHTS: Into Dreams. Anybody want to come over and play it? Screw this civil rights bullshit!"

[–]MyFinalFormIsSJWI am selling these fine leather belts 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He also unironically titles himself as a "renaissance man".

[–]xSynesthesia 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

AAAAND just like every other Gamergate proponent he doesn't seem to have read the source document he's referencing.

typical.

[–]ARTIFICIAL_SAPIENCETone Detective 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I'm detecting elevated levels of mad.

[–]RAIDENS_ASSReptilian Troll Hunter 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

[–]OmegaBlue0231☭☭Comrade In Arms☭☭ 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (6子コメント)

[–]sajberhippienPress ->Esc and watch it collapse, Hey! 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Could someone please explain this salt meme going around? I just don't get it.

[–]ARTIFICIAL_SAPIENCETone Detective 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Probably some combination of salty tears and general bitterness.

[–]sajberhippienPress ->Esc and watch it collapse, Hey! 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

oh, it's that simple? good to know. Haven't seen it before GG, so thought perhaps there was something specific to it.

[–]Mygg11Pro Jack Thompson 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah, it's something that got popularized by the fighting game community.

[–]commanderspoonface 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But salt isn't bitter... it's salty.

[–]tomtom_94Gamergate Punks Fuck Off 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The expression "That person is salty" i.e. bitter. Or possibly linked to crying, because tears are salty.

Hence, "Man, there sure is a lot of salt (tears/bitterness) in this thread" which then leads to the memefied pictures.

[–]BadKeyMachineCultural Snarksism 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

preliminary tests seem to indicate a significant level of butthurt

[–]takeashill_pillColluded with your mom last night 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Many gators are trying very hard to put on this veneer of "we laughed at it and it's the antis that are salty." This kind of derails that narrative.

[–]_handsome_peteCultural Spartacist 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

In "fact", let's go over the checklist of shit that game journalists have called gamers:

-KKK

-Terrorists

-ISIS

-Scum

-Less Than Human

[Citation sorely fucking needed]

[–]jtheapostate5Reptillian Puppetmaster 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

it was actually Joss Whedon who compared them to the KKK, don't think he's a game journalist.

[–]myGGthrowawaySea Lion Tamer 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Meh. I'll give him that some of the language saying gamergate was worse than the KKK or worse than ISIS was overwrought. That's about it though.

[–]jmarquisoNo I'm working, and your made up stats are silly 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Isis was first said by devin faraci, film critic and editor of badass digest. Nothing to do with games. Then the Dell guy

[–]enmat 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeaaah, but was that ever said by the games media? I know some Dell guy did a tweet...

[–]Moustachio26 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"It isn't OUR fault for sending threats and harassing people! YOU'RE to blame because you reported on it"

Gator 'logic', everyone. The same 'logic' that led to them trying to get people arrested for reporting the child pornography on 8chan.

[–]2872443379744585 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm reasonably certain that SVU went more by the mainstream news coverage of Gamergate, than gaming journalism's coverage. You know, the stories in The Guardian and Times. How many of SVU's writers read Kotaku?

Also, are gaming journalist's actually upset about the episode? I wouldn't be surprised, but I am certainly not inclined to take Oliver's word for it.

[–]IwantGM 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

How many of SVU's writers read Kotaku?

I think one of them must since they actually referenced Kotaku in the episode.

[–]2872443379744585 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I doubt they'd have done the episode if it hadn't been covered by real news sources, though.

[–]jmarquisoNo I'm working, and your made up stats are silly 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or gawker paid for product placement

[–]Ghazithrowaway_3Beta Mangina White Knight 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes. It was the game journalists that gave a bad image to gamers, not the gators spewing verbal garbage, harassment, death threats in every corner of the internet they could. Of course.

[–]DanyLektroGhazi is Dead 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In "fact", let's go over the checklist of shit that game journalists have called gamers:

-KKK

-Terrorists

-ISIS

-Scum

-Less Than Human

Are they talking about the journalists who lash out on twitter after being bombarded with bullshit? Because I'd like to see the articles that say each of these things. I don't think that SVU was going to people's twitter accounts for story ideas.

[–]LiveHardandProsperStrawman Justice Warrior 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Complete with Rorschach fetishism. I really don't know what I expected from the edgelord supreme.

[–]SpawnOfLilithIgnorant of 4 day ethical cubic nature 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I thought a Rorschach style response would be to have a nervous break down when confronted with morality more complex than black/white good and evil?

I mean, that was the point of the character, right?

[–]LiveHardandProsperStrawman Justice Warrior 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're telling me their amazing feats of cognitive dissonance AREN'T evidence of a nervous breakdown? You're telling me they're SERIOUS?

I....I need to sit down for a bit.

[–]Whales_of_Pain 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He probably never read it, and if eh did, he clearly didn't understand it. Rorschach is supposed to be unhinged, not a role model.

[–]ColeYoteDan Vs. Games Journalism 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, they know everyone in that story is an asshole, right? Is the only thing they know about Watchmen the trailer for the movie?

[–]superhelical 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So #gamergate gets new delicious memes.

How did we miss this? It was all about the memes. ALL. ALONG.

Edit: DELICIOUS. SALTY. MEMES.

[–]ColeYoteDan Vs. Games Journalism 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Who's Oliver Campbell, again?

(Serious question)

[–]sutemiakaShilly down with the Ghazi Gang 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://www.polygon.com/2013/10/23/5022434/the-stanley-parable-update-in-the-works-to-remove-offensive-images

(While Google I found that this apparently wasn't him being an SJW, but he was actually just trying to protect the dev from SJWs.)

[–]tomtom_94Gamergate Punks Fuck Off 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

[–]MyFinalFormIsSJWI am selling these fine leather belts 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, former games journalist. Just like how TotalBiscuit is no longer a games journalist but rather a critic.

HUGE DIFFERENCE.

[–]GhostOfBrandeisBased Lawyer v2 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can we all stop thinking about GG for a minute and wonder how that is the best quality YT vid of that scene? Because that's blowing my mind.

[–]gumblerthrowawayA Real AAA Experience 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He legitimately thinks that people are going to go to Kotaku after they said it on SVU and, because Kotaku is SO OBVIOUSLY BAD AND EVIL, get converted to Gamergaters? Jesus Christ, I thought this guy couldn't get any more delusional.

[–]Peanaut 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

OK, I'm watching this episode right now and it is horrible but, negative portrayal of gamers? ICE FUCKING T IS A GAMER IN THIS EPISODE! There can be no portrayal more positive.

[–]BadKeyMachineCultural Snarksism 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

i didn't even know we were mad about this

[–]LostmanX 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Between Pinsof and this guy, they almost have half of a game journalist. Almost.

[–]MyFinalFormIsSJWI am selling these fine leather belts 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha, what a lame rant.

[–]Random_Tangent_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually, the guy who made the comparison to ISIS is a MOVIE critic, not a games critic (plus he said he respected ISIS's transparency of motive more than GamerGate's pretending to be about ethics).