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[–]butbabyyoureadorable 718 ポイント719 ポイント  (267子コメント)

By stalking the Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter feeds of my students once or twice a week

Post could have stopped there.

[–]Jalapeno_blood 411 ポイント412 ポイント  (209子コメント)

It's interesting you had that reaction because mine was that he was great at his job!

He knows what problems the students are having, how they feel about themselves, who they are friends with and all this impacts positively the way he interacts with them in the classroom. He is taking the time to understand his students, I think it's admirable.

[–]013cqbche 99 ポイント100 ポイント  (24子コメント)

IDK, the teacher's that tried hard to be 'down with the kids' and get involved in personal stuff were never much respected at my school.

I think there's a fine line between reaching out and being an approachable and understanding teacher, and being a bit of a creep boarding the lines of inappropriate. It's kind of unethical... even if s/he's stalking them with good intentions. What goes on out of school is really none of his business unless there is reason to believe there's abuse or serious harm to the child. Knowing who's dating who and who's fallen out really has no merit to what he's there to do - teach.

[–]johnnybiggles 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree. Despite their privacy settings, following students silently on social media to keep tabs on their personal lives, even with good intent, crosses a line of ethics, especially when you, accidentally or otherwise, identify that you are. If there exists any risk of that happening, you'd better know not go near it as an "accident" as simple as this could potentially be devastating to your career and the student's life.

[–]OrbitalCupcake 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you suspect a student needs personal help it might not be a bad idea.

[–]johnnybiggles 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reaching out and generating predictions through social media is not fundamentally sound. Facebook, Twitter and Instagram are not always accurate portrayals of life as is. As someone put it, it's the "highlight reel" of someone's life. Now it may reflect something going on, and might even directly and accurately identify an issue. However, unless using this medium is directly within the scope of your job, it's a very risky area to pursue, since technically, this is none of your business, unless it actually involves you, personally. Even still, because of their official relationship, any communication publicly between them must be done cautiously.

[–]siegewolf 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fights outside of school have in school consequences.

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    [–]_____FANCY-NAME_____ 165 ポイント166 ポイント  (148子コメント)

    If it is in fact entirely as innocent as he proclaims it is. Say what you will, but I'm not entirely sure it's a very good thing to do, nor is it really any of his business what they do outside of school. It's his job to teach them his chosen subject, not to creep through their social life under the guise of wanting to help them. I find it incredibly creepy and unwarranted.

    [–]TribeFan11 245 ポイント246 ポイント  (77子コメント)

    Don't post something you're not comfortable with people knowing on a public forum. It's very simple.

    [–]ROFLBRYCE 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yup. I know a few people that creep on my stuff now and then its pretty whatever. I aint got nothin to hide.

    Fuck you Jake. I know you'll read this.

    [–]K3R3G3fuotw 11/10/13 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's what the teacher should be teaching the kids! Instead, he/she uses it to their advantage while who knows how many others are doing the same thing with potentially malicious intent.

    [–]AManNeedsAMurse 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's not just a privacy issue. Connecting with students on social media implies a closeness which is frankly inappropriate. I would feel very weird about adding my students on facebook and I teach college.

    [–]bardatwork 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (42子コメント)

    Try explaining that to a middle-schooler. They don't have the capacity to understand or care about the implications thereof.

    And before you down-vote me to hell, there is plenty of scientific evidence which proves that the emotional centers of the brain develop before the logic centers.

    EDIT: One interpretation of all these findings is that in teens, the parts of the brain involved in emotional responses are fully online, or even more active than in adults, while the parts of the brain involved in keeping emotional, impulsive responses in check are still reaching maturity. Such a changing balance might provide clues to a youthful appetite for novelty, and a tendency to act on impulse—without regard for risk.

    [–]TheGordonNinja 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Well that is up to the parents. My mother made it VERY clear to me to be careful of what I put on the Internet when I was in Middle School. She made sure I knew the consequences and everything that could result from posting my private information on the web. As a result, I successfully made it through my younger years without posting much of anything that I regret now.

    Personally, I think what this teacher is doing is completely fine provided he IS teaching them what they need to know. I remember the "cool" teachers were the ones that my peers actually listened to so I imagine he's doing a fine job. And it IS worth it, at least in my opinion, to be aware of those children that are going through a rough time that may be contemplating suicide or shooting up their school because Suzy broke up with him and started going out with his friend Jake.

    [–]bardatwork 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It is a very sad state of affairs when you think about all of the "parenting" that is expected of teachers.

    [–]Shitty_tumblr_gifs 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    When I was in late middle school/early high school, MySpace was popular. I had a public profile with some pretty innocent (but very embarrassing, looking back) pictures. BUT in my descriptions for everything I had some ridiculous screams for attention. "Smokes/Drinks: Yes", 2edgy4u lyrics, etc. Plus comments to my friends with curse words and other incriminating things that parents don't want to see on their kids' social media. The worst was that I made part of my MySpace name "[mucho masturbation]". Dear god why.

    Anyway, one night I got home and my parents had printed out my entire profile onto paper and looked through it with me at the table. My pictures, comments, profile, etc. My embarrassment right there on the page. And I had to look through every one with them.

    I am now fully aware of anonymity on the Internet. Thank you, parents.

    [–]EntropicTempest 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think that's pretty well understood. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that adolescents rarely think before they do something.

    [–]The_Pauly 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is also a learning experience for that though. Lets say they post something stupid on social media (not their fault due to their age).

    Better off having the teacher you're friends with get you in trouble or talk to you about it when it doesn't mean anything then allow a bad habit of over-sharing information on the internet.

    Shouldn't be looking at the butts though.

    [–]Soycrates 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Most young people can safely assume that their elders are not constantly stalking their social media. When there are exceptions to this, it's usually shown to be executed by pretty awful people - mostly parents who don't respect their children's privacy and identity; parents who are the real bullies in the situation.

    Social media wasn't as big when I was a young teen, but my mother went through my journals, and while they were unlocked books in her house that she could force me to give her access to, that doesn't mean that she has the right to look at them. But I didn't have a lock on them, I didn't try to hide them away - I didn't "click the privacy setting" on any of my possessions. That doesn't give her the right to read them.

    Just because a parent or adult can do something to a child doesn't mean they should. And that includes treating their "public" social media as a safe space for them.

    [–]12ed3d 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (25子コメント)

    They don't have the capacity to understand or care about the implications thereof.

    Bullshit.

    When I was in middle-school, using internet and pre-internet technologies, I understood the concept and importance of remaining anonymous. In fact, that was one of the core tenets of using this technology back then, no matter what you were doing.

    Middle-schools absolutely have the capacity to understand that you should remain anonymous online, and not post shit that you wouldn't put on a billboard in your front yard. It's just that nobody teaches them that any more.

    [–]Mutoid 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Well then, that makes one of us.

    [–]Banana_blanket 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yeah, seriously. I guess this guy's own internalized emotions and critical thinking abilities must mean that all middle schooler, globally, have those same abilities. Wow, I never knew you could learn so much from anecdotal evidence.

    [–]Mutoid 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well. He was probably bullshitting or in denial anyway.

    [–]ThatGuyMEB 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There are dozens of him, literally dozens!

    [–]sinsinkun 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    They don't teach them that anymore? I must have gone to middle school in the 90's then, because they would have "cyber safety" and "cyber bullying" speeches every other week when I went to middle school. Do... Do they not do that anymore? Oh god is this how I find out I'm too old?!

    [–]bardatwork 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No, they still do.

    [–]TribeFan11 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They still do, but people think that middle schoolers and five year olds are the same thing.

    [–]staple-salad 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Same here. BUT when I was young the Internet was not what it is today. We didn't have FaceBook or YouTube and I don't think MySpace was even around until high school. Internet culture as a whole was still mostly anonymous. My parents didn't have social media profiles, and everything you did online was not connected to FaceBook and Google. From the moment I turned on the computer (using a physical key) and opened AOL my parents constantly reminded me to boot.

    Middle schoolers today have a very different technological world. Middle schoolers in a decade or so will have something even more strange.

    [–]TribeFan11 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I had social media at that time, and no one would have been shocked that random people could see their profile if they didn't take steps to make it private. There's a vast amount of time and resources telling kids to be careful online and be aware of what they post, if they choose not to do so, it's their own responsibility.

    [–]GreyMX 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I don't think it's an issue of no one teaching them. I think it's more an issue of shifts in cultural paradigms. In the late 90s and early 2000s, social media sites were designed with the assumption that people would want to remain anonymous. Now we have a shift to social media sites demanding real names and real info, the way Facebook and YouTube are.

    Social paradigms have a much stronger impact on the decisions people (especially impressionable adolescents) make than knowledge or education do.

    [–]12ed3d 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think it's more an issue of shifts in cultural paradigms

    Agreed completely, this is actually what I was trying to say. I clarified in comments below.

    [–]FlipperJames 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I agree too. Back in middle school, I was so much more worried about what I say online than I am now. I would never use profile pics, say I was from different cities, and I even learned how to use proxies just so my mom couldn't find out that I had a MySpace and I put Megan in my Top 8 but not Jimmy.

    [–]KhalifaKidV2 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Because you grew up in the transition period whereas the internet and social media is all these kids know

    [–]12ed3d 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    When I was growing up, being one of the only people that "knew computers", I used to dream of the day that computer classes were part of the regular curriculum. The day you had in-depth computer classes along side of english, math, and science. The day that everyone would know how a computer worked because they were everywhere. I used to think, "I know this now, but soon everyone will because everyone will use computers!"

    As time went on, I realized this would never happen. Nowadays a lot of people seem even more ignorant. I don't understand how someone that uses a computer literally all day every day doesn't understand anything beyond how to use an internet browser and MS Office.

    Honestly it's kind of depressing, but at least I can still make stupid money by fixing computers.

    [–]Call_me_Kelly 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm depressed about how many people are still too lazy to learn how to type. My expectations are so much lower than yours and still they aren't met.

    [–]suicidalfitnessfreak -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    NO, i don't think you understand - even if told, the advice will be ignored. You can lecture kids all you want and it might even make sense but in the "moment" shit happens and all they can do is feel bad afterwards

    [–]12ed3d 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I mean I hear you, kids are dumb and can do dumb things.

    But this blanket statement about kids having the inability to understand the implications of their actions online is total bullshit. I know this, because I lived it. If you used your real name on the internet back then, and someone you knew found out, the first thing they would say was, "wow that's really dumb and dangerous." That attitude simply doesn't exist anymore in the general population.

    In the past, being anonymous and keeping real life and internet life separate were a core tenet of using the internet. People used handles and never their real name. Some time in the early 2000s, coinciding with the advent of social media, this core tenet was forgotten and in some recent cases actively campaigned against (eg facebook and battle.net "real name" policies).

    I'm not sure if we can go back to the days of handles and anonymity by default, not with how widespread and integrated internet technology is in our lives nowadays. But just because that's how it is now, doesn't mean that's how it has to be, or how it always was. And it doesn't mean kids aren't able to understand, it means that society as a whole has decided that online anonymity is not important.

    [–]themurgle 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah, back in the good ol' days, I had about 5-6 screen names and fake "real" names to go along with each of them. I never sent out a real photo of myself or gave out any real identifying information (except occasionally the city I lived in, but it's a huge one, so whatever). My best friend was mostly the same, but she would eventually give out her real name one account after talking to some people long enough. Thankfully, none of them turned out to be creeps and she's still friends with one to this day.

    Much later, in high school, I came clean about my actual real name to one of my good online friends and he said that he, too, had been using a fake name. We're Facebook friends now and we hardly chat, but that's ONE person out of the several thousands of people I interacted with online.

    Social media changed all that: put your real name and face all over everything. It still ooks me out a bit, and I have all my shit locked down to private/friends only.

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        [–]adopted_by_bunnies 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        assuming the logic centers ever develop ;)

        (most adults seem not to be capable of logical thought and go through life floating on whims and emotions)

        [–]teefour 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It's kind of a moot point to the subject at hand though, since a teacher looking at the content they blast to the world is the least of their worries. Just think, if FB sticks around (which I have my doubts about, it's revenue model is fragile at best), future employers 15 years from now will be able to see what they were saying. So if knowing a teacher could be looking now keeps them in check, then good.

        [–]Eviscerate_Everyone 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        As someone who was a middle schooler not to long ago feels like anyways we definitely knew.

        [–]TribeFan11 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        A middle schooler can understand a parent who says, "if you post this, absolutely anyone can see it". That's not complicated.

        We don't do these kids any favors by acting like they're completely incapable of any thought whatsoever.

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          [–]alexovechkin88 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          That's really irrelevant to whether or not OP should be intruding in his students' private affairs. As OP said himself, it's likely they did not intend to make these things public; they just don't know about privacy settings.

          [–]HaxRus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          At the basic level you are right: don't post shit you don't want others to see. But the issue here is more what an incredible display of unprofessionalism it is to monitor your students online presence unsolicited. And the fact that OP is clearly not aware of how negatively his actions are actually being perceived by anyone whose opinion is actually relevant to the scenario.

          [–]itsnews2me -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (14子コメント)

          The fact that it's out there doesn't mean that a person in his position necessarily needs to seek it out either. The issue isn't that it exists, it's that a teacher is more or less stalking them online.

          [–]uralittlebitchkid 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (13子コメント)

          are employers not stalking people then? your argument is kinda shit, it's online, he can go look at it if he has permission, it could be weird, but it's their fault for not making it friends only

          [–]itsnews2me 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

          You seem to be conflating technical barriers with ethical barriers. While one is the responsibility and duty of the student to make sure their information is seen only by the parties they intend it to be seen, the other is the duty of the adult in a profession such as teaching to not become too involved in the private lives of their students.

          Responsibility exists on both ends, but the failure of the students to be proactive about their privacy doesn't validate the actions of the teacher.

          [–]TdeG76 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Imagine how terrible school would be if teaches gave no fucks and just taught their subjects like you suggest.

          [–]itsnews2me 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          There's a great deal of difference between a teacher who gives no fucks and a teacher who actively follows the social media lives of his students during their private, off-campus time. They are not binary choices, and the ideal is obviously neither.

          [–]uralittlebitchkid -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          tl;dr

          [–]Eplore 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          From an ethics point the teacher should preferable point out to the students what he could find and make them aware of it. Simply looking away doesn't stop others from exploiting the students.

          [–]itsnews2me -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yep, and OP has failed to do that; this, I believe, is the crux of the problem.

          [–]013cqbche -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

          so 10-14yos can be blamed for not being safe on the internet, but it's totally ok for a teacher to stalk them on social media? He's not an employee.. he's a grown man (or a grown woman) who has a duty of care for children. Knowing 'who's dating who' and 'who's fallen out' is really none of his business and creepy he'd have an active interest in this IMO.

          [–]KnowledgeSeeker01 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Shhh, you're talking to the modern generation. For some reason they think they deserve privacy on their public posts.

          [–]nickjryan95 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It's simple. We kill the batman.

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            [–]Udontlikecake 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            nor is it really any of his business what they do outside of school

            actually, in a lot of places it is. School/state is liable for bullying of students.

            [–]Ch4l1t0 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Also, schoolteachers' work is not just reciting textbooks and following curricula, many factors affect their school performance (having trouble at home, parents divorced, etc). Good teachers stay more or less informed of these things and adjust teaching as needed.

            When I was at school, there was a meeting every 3 months or so, where for every class all the teachers, 2 students and some other school staff (like supervisors) got together to examine each student's progress one by one, pointing out how they were doing, what needed to be worked on, and what internal or external (to the school) factors could be at play. If some kid had problems at home, for example, their grades could be suffering so teachers made a point to help them out making sure they felt supported and relaxing some rules a bit (like turning some homework a bit late or so).

            Some kids at the end of the year could have their average score a bit under what they needed to pass, but if they were under stress from some bad situation and the teachers agreed that he had made a good effort given the circumstances, they would actually let him pass.

            [–]1ird 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I passed a class in school once because my teacher felt bad for me.

            [–]Paravin 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Aren't teachers also supposed to be life mentors? The school and the faculty teach not only their subjects, so I do understand his interest in further understand the students.

            [–]MyQueenGetsAround 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            It seems creepy to me. Life mentor by data mining your pupils is creepy.

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              [–]thevoiceofzeke 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (3子コメント)

              It's his job to teach them his chosen subject

              Yes, teachers have to teach, but I disagree that taking in interest in the lives of students is somehow "creepy."

              the guise of wanting to help them

              Why is it that men are always suspected creeps until proven otherwise? If I were teaching middle school kids, I'd probably do this too. Not all men want to fuck kids and rape you. Jesus Christ.

              Have you ever had a teacher change your life? I have had a few who did just that, and they didn't do it by teaching. They did it by taking a personal interest in my life and well-being, and using the opportunity to guide me in the right direction. By getting to know me better, they found out which approaches would work for me and which ones wouldn't.

              Teachers are not just supposed to be conveyors of information. That's the lowest common denominator, the bare-bones definition, but that doesn't make a good teacher.

              [–]wirepants 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Teachers aren't psychologists. I never wanted them anywhere near my life, it's one thing if you volunteer the info, it's another to have subwoofer actively research your personal life.

              [–]thevoiceofzeke 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              If you post your info publicly on social media, you are volunteering it.

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                [–]Jalapeno_blood 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (29子コメント)

                Oh okay, he mentions the positive things that have come from it further in this thread.

                [–]_____FANCY-NAME_____ 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (22子コメント)

                Of course he does, he's trying to justify it because he knows how creepy it sounds. My opinion doesn't look like a popular one looking at the comments, I guess I just find it a little bit weird that he does it.

                [–]Stopsign002 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                I find it weird we call it 'stalking' when the information is completely public.

                [–]Sanityzzz 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                Well that's how in person stalking happens as well.

                Edit: I don't really know why this is being argued. Yes, people can stalk others on private property or break the law trying to follow somebody. But the majority of the time you hear about stalking occurs at public places, just like the majority of Internet stalking is public pictures.

                [–]Stopsign002 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                One is a social media service literally built for sharing information to the public. One is not

                Edit: You sign away your right to privacy (for info you post) when you sign up for social media sites. Its in the EULA or whatever it's called. Solution? Don't use it!

                [–]swimmydude 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                There is still a huge difference. Regardless if the students have the capability to understand how public the things they post are, by posting online you're giving the consent of who can read it the consent of anyone basically. If it's public and not set on private, anyone can read it. When you're walking downtown, you aren't actively giving a consent to be followed.

                [–]burritoking_ 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Eh I'd argue it's still more or less the same thing. Your settings can be set to public without you wanting everyone on Facebook (or whatever social medium) to know what you're doing/saying and just because you consent to give anyone the ability to see something doesn't mean you want everyone to see it.

                Id say its the same thing as literally being in public. I might say something out in public and recognize that everyone around could hear it but that doesn't mean I want everyone around to hear it.

                [–]wirepants 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Only because stalking is illegal, you're not actively giving consent to have any random person see your stuff online, it's just part of the terms of service.

                Granted if your stuff is all set to public and you don't want people to see it that's kind of on you.

                [–]BulldawzerG6 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                It'd be fine if it was just FB/Twitter but why stalk Instagram?

                Sorry, but stalking Instagram is creepy even if you're an adult stalking other adults.

                [–]chilivanilli 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                That's what I was thinking... I could see Twitter and Facebook serving the purpose of "checking up on the kids," (still think it's weird) but Instagram is just pictures with maybe a caption and a couple comments, unless The Youth are using it differently that I am. That's where it really seems like voyeurism.

                [–]wirepants 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I can walk around in public and if you're following me everywhere watching it's still stalking.

                The kids didn't put it there for the teacher to see, if they wanted him to see it they'd have him as a friend. It's creepy.

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                  [–]42osiris 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  He's looking at a picture of a middle school girls butt and playing PI to find out who is into said butt. Sounds very weird to me. I mean let's be honest, how much of what they are posting is of true use in determining a project group? Did this picture of a butt help you? Where you going to make sure to put Butt-girl and Butt-liker in the same group next time and try to work out a budding relationship? Teachers are actually instructed to not seek their students out via social media quite often.

                  [–]paragonofcynicism 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  It wasn't that long ago in America that teachers were much more involved in their students lives. It's a relatively recent trend in the past, idk 50 or so years, that teachers have had less and less of an impact on students' lives.

                  Hell, teachers aren't even allowed most times in America to have one on one conversations with students in private anymore. Some schools allow it if the door is open but the fear of strangers abusing kids has put up a tough barrier for teachers to overcome.

                  Just look at your reaction to a teacher trying to know what's going on in his student's lives so he can approach educating the kids differently. You call him a creep and assert that he has less than savory reasons for doing so despite knowing nothing about the man.

                  The inability of teachers to personalize education is part of the reason our education system is going to shit. Students now just get copy pasted education with nothing tailored to them. No child left behind is a terrible policy that ensures that kids that are behind stay behind because they can't get the personalized teaching they require. Students now can't confide in people they spend half of their waking hours with if they are having problems they aren't comfortable talking about with their parents or friends.

                  [–]Obviously_Ritarded 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Since their profiles are public I'm sure there's worse stalkers out there creeping on their profiles. At least OP seems to be doing it in order to benefit them instead of exploiting them. Sure OP could have worded it better instead of saying "stalking" he/she could have used a different approach on the matter by saying it a different way, such as checking up on my students on their social media profiles.

                  [–]brobro2 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Most of the people hating on it are probably in high school going to make their profiles private for the first time in a few minutes...

                  [–]WittyRelevantWords 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Not like he made a fake profile and friended all of them, if it's public: it's public. Do we all throw pitchforks at marketers for stalking you online? They probably know more about you than you do.

                  At least he's not going through their public content to sell them shit, but, you know: help his students, which is what parents expect teachers to do anyways.

                  You're just butthurt 'cause you don't realize the implications of what you post online for EVERYONE TO SEE.

                  [–]_____FANCY-NAME_____ -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Butthurt is the stupidest word I've ever heard. You sound like a child. I'm not "butthurt", and yes I do understand what is, and what isn't private. But we're not talking about me here, we're taking about kids, middle school kids who may not know how to change their settings from public to private.

                  Also, you're make a whole lot of assumptions here, how do you know that he isn't fapping to these kids photos? Just google teachers and Facebook to see how controversial it can be.

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                    [–]mochi813 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    The school district I was enrolled at had it in their code of conduct that you signed at the beginning of the year that any of your social media was allowed to be looked at by any employee of the school at any time, and anything you posted publicly was allowed to be used against you if it contained threats, racism, sexism, bullying, etc.

                    So if the district OP works for has one of these clauses in place, then he's not out of line at all, because our teachers would do it and had the rights to do it.

                    [–]phileagles 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    It doesn't matter how creepy or unwarranted you think it is. You are posting things on a public forum. It is the same as employers looking through their employees social media. also its quite easy to set your social media apps to private so that only your friends can see. What if his actions prevented a teen suicide? Would you still feel like he overstepped his boundaries by looking at a kids facebook?

                    EDIT: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/08/suspect-in-custody-after-1-shot-at-maryland-school/1#.VNuYZ7NuhFo

                    This could have been prevented by a teacher "stalking" a student. You will be hard pressed to find an incident where a child's life was put in danger by a teacher looking through their posts online.

                    [–]Justheretolearnshit 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    nor is it really any of his business what they do outside of school.

                    Actually, it's entirely his business.

                    First, schools are responsible for addressing anything and everything that happens in a student's life. By law. It's ridiculous, but in some cases that DOES mean constant checking of their online social life.

                    Second, a good teacher will go to lengths to be aware of their out-of-school experiences that will effect their in-school performance. It's educational psych.

                    [–]staple-salad 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    If I were a parent and I knew the teacher was trust worthy I would appreciate this kind of "stalking" since it sounds like he is using it to really help his students. Similarly I would appreciate that if he found anything particularly questionable he might let me know so I could give the "what you post is public" speech, assuming I hadn't found it first anyway.

                    [–]Artic_Chill 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    It's not "unwarranted" if these kids post them for the whole world to see...

                    [–]icemanistheking 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    I'm sorry? If they are posting information publicly, it is, by definition, everyone's business.

                    [–]Hyabusa1239 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    b-b-but hes a creep! >.>

                    [–]Badassmotherfuckerer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I understand it can be seen as creepy, they're putting it out there on public for anyone to see, it's not like he's breaking in to get info.

                    [–]AngeredByStatistics 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Honestly, in middle school I think a big aspect of a teachers job is to be a mentor figure as well, and help their students develop as individuals. If all the teacher is doing is slapping a lesson on the board and playing bejeweled I'd say they probably aren't cut out for the job.

                    A student having someone to turn to is honestly a good thing, talking to parents can be frightening and their friends probably aren't equipped to deal with a lot of the situations they might be going through. If all we want from school is to just teach them the capital of Delaware and what their time tables are, then we might as well just do home schooling in front of a computer.

                    [–]Gareone 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    What the fuck does this even mean? I'm so tired of seeing it. If you post something to the public, IT WILL BE OUT TO THE PUBLIC. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHO SEES IT.

                    It is NOT private anymore.

                    [–]Fgame 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I wish a teacher had paid attention to my social life. God knows my parents didn't.

                    [–]Anonymousthepeople 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    They could set their profiles to private, but they don't.

                    [–]egus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    disagree.

                    [–]katyne 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Under the guise of wanting to help them? are you fucking serious? of all the people who might be going through your or your kids' publically available social media, the teacher is the creepy one?

                    and who are the 90 idiots upvoting this shit? I hope they're all still in middle school. I refuse to believe that someone with a fully developed brain can seriously think like that.

                    What the fuck is with this american obsession with people wanting to fuck their kids? I mean, if you're so concerned about adults looking at your 13 year old daughters boobs, maybe you should educate her about social media and digital thumbprints and how once something is online it will stay there forever and ever. Or at least teach her about privacy settings. You know, do your fucking job as a parent instead of insulting people who actually give a shit and are trying to teach your obnoxious stupid kids. A teacher checking up on what his students post online for all the world to see? omg how creepy, he probably jerks off to their pics and stuff, I mean, why else would anyone stalk a 13-year old's facebook, right?

                    And then of course when someone finds heroin in their son's backpack or some bullied kid goes off the deep end and slits his wrists or brings a gun to school, whose fault is that - the parents? fuck no, of course it's the teachers' fault. They should've known, should've done something! By minding their own business and staying the fuck out of your and your kids' lives after school hours. How? lol not your problem, you're not being paid those big bucks to teach and keep track of whatever your kids are doing. Telepathy or something, why should you care, you're only there to demand results and bitch about state taxes.

                    I'm not even talking about the irony here. If all you can see when you think about a middle-schooler social media profile is some old perv's wank fodder, maybe it says something about you and not them.

                    [–]ThatGuyMEB 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    nor is it really any of his business what they do outside of school

                    Sure it is. Kids have homework. If their homework is affected by something going on at home, outside of school, it is certainly his business. Teachers are also mandatory reporters; they are obligated by law to report any evidence or strong suspicion of child abuse. You forget that some of these teachers spend more time in a day with these kids than their own parents do.

                    Further, if these kids are posting this kind of shit online publicly, I'd rather have another pair of eyes on their profiles in case a perv pops up, which is what it sounds like OP was trying to do when he was checking to see who had commented on the picture.

                    [–]sounds_the_same 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I have to agree. I was a teacher for six years, in both middle and high school. While many argue that the kids have no expectation of privacy (and they don't), this is no different than hiding around a corner of a school hallway and listening in to a conversation the kids presume they're just having with each other. Sure, they don't have an expectation of privacy if they're chatting in the hall about something private, but neither do they expect a creeper teacher to be lurking around the corner eavesdropping. It's bad manners, which even kids at this age have something of a grip on, but, it appears, many adults don't.

                    Also, the way he wrote his TIFU makes it sound as if he's quite giddy over his ability to impress a bunch of 13-year-olds with his creeper skills. Ponder that for a moment: what adult gives a rats ass about impressing a passle preteens/barely teens? This isn't just "involvement" in their lives, this is outright cyber stalking - something a fair number of redditors here would be whining about if we were talking about folks over the age of 18. Yet somehow, it's okay to do it to kids.

                    Unfortunately, while working in public schools I came across a small but significant minority of adults who for some reason never bothered to grow up and were, actually, attempting this very thing. That is, they were very invested in being the "popular" teacher and would pull all sorts of shit to attain this title. It is creepy, it is immature, and in my opinion it's more than a bit twisted.

                    Now, if the poster were to tell the kids "yeah, I learned this from your Facebook because you set it to 'public'. Perhaps you should take this as an object lesson and not let the entire world see your private thoughts and conversations" then we might have a real-life object lesson concerning privacy and the internet. But no, the poster skulks about in the shadows, delighted with his stalking skills and his ability to impress a bunch of kids. If you don't see this as a cause for concern then I'm going to guess that you, like the poster, are a creepy stalker sort, and you're just looking for a way to justify your own stalker-ish activities.

                    [–]yogotti69 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Most schools (high schools at least) have someone who monitors social media. I know of at least three accounts that even private students will let follow them, some know it's school administration/teachers some don't.

                    And if you're public wellll... I had a friend who posted some rather unbecoming things about himself as a joke on an account he had previously considered "crap" and hadn't used, but he switched to that as his main account and the administrators called him in to discuss these things and called his parents to tell him about his activity.

                    Yes I think it's an invasion of privacy and far over-stepping the bounds of what schools should know about there students, and I think this shouldn't be allowed, but when students make it so easy to find themselves online, not much can be done to stop them.

                    [–]sugar_free_haribo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    There's a suicide epidemic among middle and high school children. Very often there are warning signs on social media that adults have completely ignored.

                    [–]bttp 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    So everyone complains that teachers don't care enough about their students and aren't doing enough to teach and prepare them for life, and then something like this happens and they get condemned for being creepy? Fuck right off.

                    If there's anything students will remember their teachers for when they leave school is when that teacher put an effort into getting to know them. And you know, maybe it's not him that's perverted. Maybe you're the one that's perverted and it's a good thing you're got a teacher. Who knows what kind of creepy and unwarranted things you'd do if that's the only thing you can think of between a teacher and his or her students. At least this guy gives a shit about the quality of life of his students instead of how perverted he can be with their social media posts. He's a better person than you'd ever be no matter how hard you tried or how long you lived.

                    How disgusting.

                    [–]thenightisdark 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    If? What do you base this on? the explanation was reasonable. Where do you suspect anything?

                    [–]Dontyouclimbtrees 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    You're what's wrong with America. So fucking sensitive to everything and always assuming the worst.

                    [–]mcnalister 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    A middle school teacher's job is so much more than just teaching a subject. Middle school is hell for a lot of kids and teachers that actually give a shit about their students are going to be respected and listened to far more than a teacher who just walks into a classroom and gives a lesson.

                    [–]lexluther4291 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    See, this is exactly why guys are discouraged from becoming teachers. It seems to me that you're implying that he's "stalking" them (by checking their social media pages once or twice a week) because he's some kind of pervert.

                    As he says in the OP, he's using this to get to know his students. He's finding out who is having a tough time and helping those students. He knows which ones have parents that are fighting, or whose brother got in a car accident. He finds out which students are having trouble with their friends and feel all alone. He learns which ones are trying to commit freaking suicide because he checks up on them every once in a while. He's not reporting them to the police, he's not using the info to cut down his students, he's using it to connect with them and give his students something to live for.

                    Teaching is about more than making a student read a book. Many kids don't have someone that cares about them (or they feel like they don't) and middle school is for many people the worst years of their lives.

                    This kind of involvement is what they teach teachers to strive for, and it's people making comments like this that discourages males from entering the field. If OP was a woman, I'm certain you (and several other people in this thread) wouldn't be implying what you are.

                    [–]MrMathieu 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    You realize that there are plenty of female teachers that act inappropriately with their students? It's not male-centric. However, given the sexualization of males and public perception, its more dangerous for male teachers. Better reason for males to not engage in this stuff.

                    In fact, in the last 5 or 6 years there has been two female teachers suspended and tried for sexual assault against young students in my school board, yet no male teachers. I don't buy the fact that OP couldn't achieve the same results without using social media.

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                      [–]OfficialCocaColaAMA 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      My girlfriend is a middle school teacher, and she gets plenty of insight into their personal lives just by being in the same room as them. She often will take a minute after school to give a parent a call and say that their child was upset at school, or something along those lines.

                      The parents are always very receptive to this type of thing. But consider how they would respond if she called them and said "Your child posted a picture of her butt on her instagram." Why was she looking at their instagram?

                      OP must have actively searched out specific students. So either he has certain students that he's interested in (who happen to be the ones who post pictures of their butts), or he's spending every waking hour investigating every one of his students. That's not small task.

                      In my girlfriend's case, she is at a pretty small school, and only has 150-200 students. OP likely has at least this many. How much time is he really spending on social media? My girlfriend spends hours after school each day, grading and lesson planning. Then she'll spend a few hours on Saturday, and usually about 8 hours on Sunday.

                      How much time is OP really spending on this? Is this really the best way he can help his students? Most importantly, is this something his administration or the parents of his students would approve of?

                      [–]drodeo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      I think he is seriously endangering his job by doing this. If the wrong person finds out hes stalking his underage students on social media hes screwed. teachers have been fired for rumors that were less than this situation. People are hyper sensitive about stuff like this and not without just cause

                      [–]anondotcom 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      You had me until "not without just cause."

                      [–]jetpackswaslol 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      OP is playing a dangerous game here, does it work well for understanding and helping his students? sure. Could it also get him in a lot of trouble? you bet.

                      [–]Fuck_shadow_bans 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Yeah I thought so to. Some people don't understand what the word "creepy" means. Some people are also morons.

                      [–]nav13eh 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Exactly. There is nothing illegal about what he's doing. His students post this information publically on the internet for anyone to see. Once something is public on the internet, it is freely available for anyone to see, and no one can stop that. That's how it works.

                      If his snooping helps him help his students succeed academically (which is the whole point of a teacher) then k think it's a great thing. My only suggestion would be to not be logged into a personal account during his snooping. That way, accidents like this can't happen.

                      [–]theranderson 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Oh okay, totally not creepy at all then that a figure of trust went to the effort of looking up all the details of his students, and finding all their social media accounts, then reading through them and scouring their photos several times a week. All public, so it's totally fair game. Good on you, Teach! You're not a creepy piece of shit at all.

                      [–]LSF604 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      my reaction was he wanted to look at pictures of his cute students but couldn't say it on his post or he would look bad.

                      [–]king_england 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      He is taking the time to understand his students

                      Uhhh... OP is definitely a creep. What about cyberstalking makes him admirable?

                      [–]NotRlyTho 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      It's interesting you had that reaction because mine was that he was great at his job!

                      That's because you're not a teacher. This is exactly the kind of thing that is nailed into you over and over and over, stay the fuck away from social media and the students on it.

                      [–]alexovechkin88 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Also, let's be honest: I seriously doubt OP's SOLE interest in stalking his adolescent students' social media is in garnering information to assist them educationally or socially. He seems to find amusement in probing their petty social lives. I don't think in a predatory sexual way, but more in a petty "get a life" OP way.

                      [–]temp4adhd 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      No it's totally creepy and very inappropriate.

                      Appropriate: "hey student, did you know that your post is set to public?" ... a teaching moment, so the kid can fix their settings.

                      Inappropriate: never mentioning that you can see these posts, while stalking various feeds once or twice a week.

                      [–]from_the_sidelines 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      It may be well-intentioned, but if he's doing it without their knowledge, it's crossing a line. The fact that it's public doesn't mean it's appropriate.

                      [–]Bindingofhighsack 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I think it's fucking weird.

                      [–]why_dude 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                      By what means though? Well, atleast if OP loses his job he can find work with NSA.

                      [–]Dat_name_is_racist 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                      Are you really silly enough to think that there is a comparison between what the NSA does and a teacher viewing public keyword public post to social media? You must really be in middle school

                      [–]Jalapeno_blood 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      I'm sorry I'm not sure what 'by what means?' means, what are you asking me exactly?

                      [–]schmucubrator 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I think he meant in the "ends justify the means" sense.

                      [–]BishopCorrigan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      In this context 'means' is another word for methods.

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                          [–]bbdale -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I think it's creepy. However these kids are idiots to set everything to public as well.

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                            [–]MagicKiller[S] 92 ポイント93 ポイント  (34子コメント)

                            It's one of those things that sounds worse than it is. They post public, I see it. I don't do anything unprofessional with the info but I use it to do my job.

                            [–]butbabyyoureadorable 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                            I know I'm just busting your balls. But after reading some of your replies in the rest of this thread I'm now picturing you as a precog from Minority Report.

                            [–]UwasaWaya 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            Now I can't not think of my teachers floating in a suspension tank at night.

                            [–]butbabyyoureadorable 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            With FB and Twitter status updates running through their heads

                            [–]zzyzx00 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            murrrrrrderrrrrr

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                              [–]AtomicDan 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                              My sixth form is very against teachers doing this. I really disagree, for exactly the reasons you described. (Obviously not the liking the ass part ahaha) But for finding out who will work well together, who is feeling like shit and might need extra help I feel this is invaluable. I'm sure you are a great teacher.

                              [–]013cqbche 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              There has to be a set standard for all teacher's though.

                              There was a teacher at my sixth form that tried very hard to be involved and be 'down with the kids'.

                              In the end he started showing up to sixth-form parties and it turned out he was new to the area, a youngish newly-graduated teacher, had no friends and was just lonely. But it was inappropriate and some parents complained and it was a big thing where he ended up leaving (or being suspended if you believe the rumours).

                              Very often you hear of news stories of teachers having affairs with students. I'm not suggesting OP is doing anything like this. What I'm saying is all teachers have to follow a code of ethics and have a professional and personal responsibility to respect that they are a teacher there to teach, and not there to buddy up with the kids.

                              The teachers would also be putting themselves at risk for accusations, or children finding out their personal information and using that to spread rumours, blackmail or loose respect for them.

                              As for 'who will work well together' and 'who's feeling like shit', any teacher worthwhile can pick up on this stuff by observing the class. They don't need to go on social media to see this stuff. And part of growing-up and learning life-skills is learning how to work with others and cope with 'bad days'.

                              That's not to say a teacher shouldn't be attentive, approachable and reach out to the kids. But stalking social media and finding out who's fallen out and who's dating one another is not their duty.

                              [–]datusb 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              What the hell is a sixth form?

                              Edit: Thanks for the quick answers folks.

                              [–]AtomicDan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              In England we have secondary education until age sixteen (Year 11) and then we either go to a college/ Sixth Form for A Levels for two years before going to university.

                              [–]says-stuff 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              He means his sixth evolved form, which btw isn't even his final form

                              [–]RedditsOnTheShitter 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Kinda like a step between high/secondary school and university that we have in the UK. Source: currently in sixth form

                              [–]Jorumvar 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Super Sayan 6?

                              [–]elbekko 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Time to teach those kids a thing or two about privacy on the internet.

                              [–]what_a_cat_astrophe 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              A few of my high school teachers did this on the regular, and that was back in '05-'07 when it wasn't even as easy as it is today. I mean, how couldn't you?

                              My photography teacher found and read one of my "blogs" once. Then trolled me about it subtly in class. I wanted to fucking die.

                              [–]Xaguta 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Do you think that might have discouraged you from further writing/blogs?

                              [–]what_a_cat_astrophe 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              It discouraged me from further public writings/blogs that involved my personal drama ;)

                              [–]sellyberry 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              It will draw it to their attention that their profile is not private and anyone can see it, even a teacher they might want to be respected by...

                              [–]timmymac 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              It's just that the teachers that end up being creepers are the ones that are always "in tune" and close to the students. Hopefully you're on the up and up.

                              [–]MrMathieu 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              No it really doesn't sound worse. It is worse. We all know that young adults don't have a solid grasp on how far social media posts can go. They have no clue that what they post on Monday could potentially stay with them for the entirety of their lives. To say they understand what the implications of social media are is ridiculous. The fact is that you are look through their "public" posts irks me, if you continue to do so, please update when a student finally find out. I'd love to see that TIFU post.

                              [–]YoureRight303 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              It's you being a creepy old fuck, in disguise as some benevolent person trying to save the day.

                              If what you were doing is okay, you would be fine telling their parents or your boss about what you are doing. But, they would flip shit and you would get fired, which is why you don't.

                              Creepy pedophile in the making.

                              [–]temp4adhd 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              No, you actually have to go to Facebook, type in their name, pull them up, scroll through a couple days' worth of posts. Then type in the next name, and so on, and so on -- how many kids do you look up?

                              Then you have to go to Instagram, type in a name, pull them up, scroll through a couple days' worth of posts... then type in the next name, etc...

                              How much time does this take you each week?

                              You seriously do not see how creepy this is?

                              [–]suicidalfitnessfreak 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              yeah regardless of your intentions you're still stalking them. Might be for their own good but then don't all governments say that?

                              [–]chiropter 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              "Stalking" is a bit of hyperbole that we toss around to describe something as simple as looking at a friend's Facebook profile ("Lol I was Facebook stalking you"), and I think it's important to note here that he isn't really stalking anybody by looking at the social media profiles acquaintances put up.

                              Especially when he's not doing it in a voyeuristic way. But if students think someone doing this is creepy, even when it's just someone using social media in a normal way, then they can set their shit to private.

                              [–]1lIlI1lIIlIl1I -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                              It's one of those things that sounds worse than it is

                              No, it's as bad as it sounds. It sounds bad because while the posts may be "public", you are not the expected audience, anymore than the swimming pool being public allows you to follow your students there to watch them swim...you know, so you know which strokes they prefer best to use as an example on a test.

                              I find most TIFU posts to sound entirely fake, and hopefully this one is, but you literally are a creeper by definition if you're creeping on their social profiles.

                              [–]devilboy222 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              Guilty until proven innocent.

                              There is no reason to believe he would be doing anything nefarious with the information he gathers other than use it to better tailor his teaching. I've had many different teachers that were much more than a teacher and often knew what was going on in my personal life. Teachers are there to do more than teach, they are also mentors.

                              If teachers don't engage in a student's life in some form or another, they are just a robot and probably bad at teaching.

                              [–]1lIlI1lIIlIl1I 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              If teachers don't engage in a student's life in some form or another, they are just a robot and probably bad at teaching.

                              Amazinglyu, teachers managed before they had the ability to creep the social media profiles of their students. Amazingly they didn't need a social network graph and current events summary to be good teachers.

                              [–]devilboy222 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              You're right, they don't need to use that. Does it make it easier though? Definitely.

                              Like I said, I had many teachers involved in my own personal life in school. Nowadays following someone on social media is really just an extension of that.

                              Just because they didn't use in the past doesn't mean they shouldn't use it now. If he was spending 1+ hours a day looking at facebook profiles, that is different. But 1 hour tops per week? Not really a huge deal.

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                                [–]KampfLoeffel 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Well, since the word "creepy" has completely lost its meaning because of the way people like you use it, it's all fine then. You are unable to point out any negative consequences to OP's behaviour besides it "feeling creepy".

                                The problem is that the current form of social media are a really really new medium and OP's students are the first generation to have not lived in a world where they didn't exist. We can't possibly foresee, how they will change our society and whether or not this form of sharing yourself with the world will be normal a few years down the line.

                                What we do know is, that it's definitely part of a teacher's job description to be informed about their students' private lifes, social and cultural background, family situation, relationships, etc. This is detrimental to a differentiated education in a heterogenic classroom of a postmodern, pluralistic society. It's just that a few decades ago, teachers got this kind of information from word-to-mouth, rather than a place where the children actually felt comfortable sharing these details.

                                Also: Knowing what your students do with social media is also valuable from a (media-)didactic perspective. As a future teacher, I'd like to be able to intervene when students are behaving too carelessly with the seemingly endless possibilities of the internet.

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                                  [–]TallDude12 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I have two teacher friends and both their schools have specific policy against being friends with any of their students online until after they graduate. The reason being its a liability issue for the school. If online bullying, pics of underage drinking, etc happens on Facebook, the school could be responsible for not policing this.

                                  I would steer clear of this behavior or at least check with your administration to make sure you don't get fired.

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                                    [–]mynameisacoolname 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    I am generally well-liked by my students, mostly because I can relate to them on a personal level. I am the rare teacher who is "in the know"

                                    ...said every teacher ever. What teacher isn't in the know about what the students are up to? Certainly every teacher I've ever worked with. And most of them don't creep on their Facebook pages.

                                    [–]IDontCareThatYouKnow 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    As a teacher, that is exactly where I did stop. He's not a teacher "in the know", he's flat out stalking his students.... Kinda different.

                                    [–]calipygean 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    I was so creeped out by this.....

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