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[–]YourDiaperDaddy 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (33子コメント)

They're kept locally on the phone with a piece of hardware. But believe what you want.

PC's have had this feature for years btw.

EDIT: I think I miss typed. I was only implying that apple did their part to keep people away from getting hacked for the fingerprint as much as possible. If the NSA or anyone wants to remote into your iphone(or any smartphone including androids) to get any data, they're going to do it.

[–]postfuturology 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (32子コメント)

It doesn't matter what someone says: if its on a device that can, does or will have internet access, its not personal, its not confidential and its definitely not secure.

[–]TheFapp3ning -12 ポイント-11 ポイント  (31子コメント)

You say that, and people upvote it, but I doubt you or any of them even have a computer science degree. Let alone an engineering degree. Let along the further specialization it would take to even pretend to argue that on a high level.

What you're literally saying is that nothing encrypted is confidential or secure, just absolutely nothing, as long as the computer it not 100% closed off to an outside network. What you're saying is false.

[–]Manbearphoenix 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Even if it's encrypted it isn't always confidential. Just makes it so whoever is trying to get into it will have to have all the worlds time on their hands. Also he is right. Hackers these days (me included) can get into almost any device that has internet access. Apple isn't all that you think it is. A virus slipped into the phone can make all that "hardware only information" all yours. It's not like it'll happen to you, but it can happen.

[–]TheFapp3ning -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Just makes it so whoever is trying to get into it will have to have all the worlds time on their hands

At current technological capabilities you can definitely secure something so that the passcode could not be cracked before the end of our solar system. If you're pretending you know the future, and are basing your thoughts off your physic abilities. That's another discussion.

Hackers these days (me included) can get into almost any device that has internet access.

LOL.

Apple isn't all that you think it is.

What did I say apple was? Or are you reading my mind?

A virus slipped into the phone can make all that "hardware only information" all yours.

Since you know how the phone is built and where this information would be store and encrypted, care to explain how? You are a hacker after all.

[–]somedumbcow 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

pick one way Also iOS is basically a unix system, it doesnt take a BS in CS to know where to find certain things, hell, you can google most of them.

EDIT: Oh snap, heres a way directly to memory, goodbye encryption, hello dumps. http://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2014-4495/

[–]TheFapp3ning -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Wait, that's your explanation of how you'd do it? You just linked to CVE Details? That's not an explanation, that's a website for known vulnerabilies. Actually using any one of those vulnerabilities to get information from a particular target (remember, you can hack into anything, you said so yourself) is what I asked you to explain. I really wanna hear about your hacking expertise..

[–]somedumbcow -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Pay me, Im not going to hold your hand on how to do it. also, look at the username, I never said that, thats the other guy.

[–]TheFapp3ning -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'd have a better chance of getting millions of dollars from a Nigerian prince than buy putting money into his account, than I would reading a single comprehensible sentence about actual security from you. So no, I'll pass. I wanted to give you a chance to prove you weren't completely making things up off the top of your head, you don't care to do that. I did't think you would, since nothing you wrote made a modicum of sense. Have a good night.

[–]somedumbcow 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Again, I never said I was the hacker, nor do I have to prove anything to you. If you wish to know how it is done, pay me. My services aren't free.

[–]spikeyfreak 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

At current technological capabilities you can definitely secure something so that the passcode could not be cracked before the end of our solar system.

So you get to it at some point when it isn't encrypted. In order to use the data you have to decrypt it at some point.

[–]Manbearphoenix -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm just saying most people think apple is secure and you were talking about it in your comment history. Also just read this. And yes with current technological capabilities we couldn't crack any of this encrypted shit but then again remember that quantum processors will probably become a reality in the next 20 years based on today's science. With that technology you could theoretically crack encryption of almost any level within a reasonable amount of time. I'm not saying it can be done today. But there are backdoors put it by Apple and Google that allows the government to get into that information.

Most importantly though none of this matters since the fingerprint information isn't really your fingerprint. It's mostly your veins in your finger that help the scanner identify your finger so even if they had access to that information it's not your finger print.

[–]TheFapp3ning 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-ios-bug-lets-fake-apps-sneak-onto-iphones-ipads/

This reads much closer to social engineering, but regardless it still has nothing to do with the topic on hand about the "finger print" (which is really a rudimentary scanning of your veins, and not your actual print). Which you even talk about. So it kind of makes this entire meme posted (no memes was a rule here right? oh well) a complete misleading lie.

[–]Manbearphoenix 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah in the end I agree with you about the no meme posting part at least.

[–]spikeyfreak 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, I do have 3/4 of a computer science degree, and 15 years in the industry.

It isn't truly secure if it's connected to the internet. Period. There is always a chance, no matter what you do, that someone may find a way to get to it from the internet.

It's much harder to secure things than it is to bypass security.

[–]postfuturology -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (16子コメント)

I have a BA in CSE as a web developer. I also enjoy reading about things like heartbleed and SSL vulnerabilities, and things like vendor installed backdoors.

[–]TheFapp3ning -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (15子コメント)

So you're saying you couldn't figure out how to keep anything on your computer secure? You're just not physically capable of doing it?

[–]postfuturology -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Yes, and neither can you

[–]TheFapp3ning -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Heh, I most certainly can. I would imagine anybody with a CSE degree (a BA in CSE, didn't know those existed) and "loves reading about security" wouldn't be able to figure out how to properly secure their home system.

[–]somedumbcow 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

"Secure home system"

I bet most of your hardware is consumer based, le backdoored by corporate.

[–]TheFapp3ning 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Making bets about people you've never met, top mind at work.

[–]somedumbcow -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (7子コメント)

so I take it theyre consumer based then.

[–]postfuturology -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

'Home system'. Please, tell me more about your Linux distro.

[–]TheFapp3ning 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

'Home system'. Please, tell me more about your Linux distro.

What? Are you just insulting the terminology I used? Wanna actually answer my question. You are a genius with a CSE degree, oh wait. A BA in CSE? I've heard of BAs in CS. But I've never heard of a college that gave out BAs in CSE. Some quick searching doesn't really show any, are you absolutely positive about the engineering degree you got?

[–]postfuturology -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Uh huh. Besides graduating from school 8 years ago, is there any other personal information I can provide that would help you understand that privacy is an illusion?