You didn't say 'Stalin isn't as bad as people think, a lot of deaths were due to economic inefficiencies instead of plain ill-intent' though, did you? You said 'Stalin did nothing wrong' like an edgy twat.

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Also if you think the Holodomor was just an innocent by-product of poor economic policy then you're a fucking idiot. Stalin hated Ukrainians and their penchant for independence and he's got a long history of being as brutal as necessary to consolidate his own power. His enactment of "anti-terror" laws that allowed him to kill off potential opposition in the political and military spheres were alone 'something wrong' and it's idiotic to think that somehow this didn't apply to the threat of ukranian nationalism. That's exactly what happened in the trials for the supposed 'SVU' (which we know now didn't exist) where prominent Ukranian members of organizations out of direct government control (Academics, the Church, and rural co-ops) were tried under similar circumstances to hinder Ukraine's intelligencia and stop Ukrainization. It's pretty blatant given private communications and the word of other party members that have come out since then that he viewed the peasantry as the base of the nationalist movement and as such sought to abolish it.

Yeah, this was necessary for unification of the USSR and to make up a national identity. After this it was possible to develop rapid industrialization.

Also don't forget that a lot of that 'famine' was due to his anti-ukranian policies targetting the kulaks in order to abolish them as a bourgeois class even though they made less money than most state-industry factory workers. Yeah no fucking shit there's going to be a famine when you systematically detain, deport, and overburden with taxes (like 84% of their annual salary was taxed, and the ruble had 1/6th the spending power in rural sectors) the entirety of the Ukrainian agricultural industry. And then once the actual famine was happening what did they do? They took away the passports of the kulaks and ukranian peasantry, to ensure they can't leave. They also not only completely denied the existence of the famine to the other nations but flat-out refused humanitarian aid to be delivered. They also took away what food they already had.

If they actually refused aid that's fucked up, but I'm pretty sure that Stalin wasn't that crazy.

It's got nowhere near as much to do with industrialization as it does to do with Stalin's horrific totalitarian approach to managing the USSR. None of what happened in Ukraine was economic necessity, it was his own soviets stronk wet dream that caused him to prioritize power over the people above the actual people. An attitude that shows in many other aspects of stalin's policies.

Pretty sure industrialization was still the primary motivating factor.

I don't even know why it is that you unleashed your weird stalin apologist rant on me that shows your disdain for arguments I didn't even fucking make. If I had to wager a guess as to why though I'm thinking it's because you're some immature soviet-obsessive tweenaged ruski that likes to go around saying blatantly stupid shit so that once people call you out on it you can unleash upon them your vast collection of dumbed-down knowledge on Stalin's policies that you got from his wikipedia article. You go fucking read.

Because people nowadays are becoming more and more misinformed due to the growing anti-Rus bias. Everything becomes hyperbolized and blown out of proportion. My entire family and ancestry is Russian. My great grandparents lived through the purges and the gulags and collectivization, through the cold war, through the collapse, and it's fair to say that a personal, first-person viewpoint can weigh at least a little bit of merit over most others opinions. My great grandparents on my mother's mother's side were Ingermanlandian Finns, they suffered horrible atrocities. My father's grandparents lived through both of the Wars. A grandfather on my dad's side was a survivor of the Eastern Russian front against the Japanese in WW2 and survived land mines, another was a Ukrainian partisan for the USSR, others yet again Ukrainian and Belorussian farmers and mechanics, my grandmothers nurses, my grandparents scientists and civil servants, my aunts and uncles military officers and politicians, and my own parents scientists that lived through the biggest financial collapse that my people have ever seen, so don't go around fucking telling me that I need to go out and get learned. Privileged ass motherfucker.