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[–]McCyanide 542 points543 points544 points  (67 children)
Well, I'm sure this comment section will be a lovely place to be in about an hour.
[–]cravf 292 points293 points294 points  (54 children)
It's the perfect post. The people from /r/tumblr will think it's making fun of the people in /r/tumblrinaction and the people from /r/tumblrinaction will be thinking it's making fun of the people in /r/tumblr.
They'll both upvote and come to the comments looking to circle jerk with their beardy-buds to find that the other team's beardy-buds have infiltrated the comment section.
The bitter Mountain Dew sweat and salty tears will keep most people at bay. Except for veterans of the Internet who are immune to the stench of uncontrollable nerd rage.
[–]blamb211 68 points69 points70 points  (19 children)
And what if I'm subbed to both of those?
[–]S133py 204 points205 points206 points  (16 children)
You are what we refer to as a daywalker.
[–]AnotherClosetAtheist 39 points40 points41 points  (14 children)
That's why you have to hit the Triple Crown:
You'll never feel more good about yourself.
[–]Akhkharu 30 points31 points32 points  (2 children)
more good
Um, it's gooder you philistine.
[–]AnotherClosetAtheist 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
There's only one thing I hate more than people who are intolerant of others, and that's Filipinos.
[–]VelvetSanction -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
Teeeeeeechnically, it's better.
[–]Willhud98 -3 points-2 points-1 points  (2 children)
You forgot /r/fatpeoplehate
[–]residentchubbychaser 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
/r/FatLogic is bad enough, but /r/fatpeoplehate is exactly what it sounds like. Just... hatred. It's really not a pleasant place.
[–]ontopic [score hidden]  (0 children)
You get that many genius supermodels in one place, things are bound to get a little unruly.
[–]sertroll -6 points-5 points-4 points  (4 children)
[–]StickmanPirate 4 points5 points6 points  (3 children)
I don't understand SRD anymore. It's like the entire subreddit has Multiple Personality Disorder. One day they hate feminists and the next day anyone with a valid criticism of feminism gets massively downvoted.
Ultimately it just leads to more drama within SRD which is excellent for all true dramanauts.
[–]YHofSuburbia 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
I used to need to click on the links on SRD to get my drama. Now I click on the links and the comments to get double the drama. Two for one, what a deal.
[–]beccamarieb 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
That's why there's /r/subredditdramadrama
[–]SmokeyUnicycle 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Honestly, its not too bad of a place for drama, considering the subject matter is literally whatever things get people to fight.
[–]andsoitgoes42 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Cue Touched by VAST.
[–]Angrant96 24 points25 points26 points  (0 children)
You are our guide. Our protector.
[–]cravf 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Recursive loop of bellyaching.
[–]POTATO_SOMEPLACE 49 points50 points51 points  (5 children)
/r/tumblr and /r/tumblrinaction aren't enemies you know. /r/tumblr is about funny stuff found on tumblr, not about the lunatic SJW minority that TiA makes fun of.
[–]cravf 24 points25 points26 points  (1 child)
I'm like the Internet equivalent of an old person. I know what I mean but I call everything by its associated large brand name.
Like people who call MP3 players iPods. Sure I may mean SJWs but I'll call them tumblrs because I can't be assed to remember who's who.
[–]StickmanPirate 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
SJWs are the arseholes who give people that are trying to do good things a bad name.
[–]Jugglamaggot 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Im actually pretty glad that I dont know what your talking about
[–]ElCrowing [score hidden]  (1 child)
That's what TiA used to be, but over the past year or so, it's pretty much become a haven for MRAs and such. At least that's how it was last time I was there. I admittedly unsubscribed quite awhile ago, so maybe it's calmed down.
[–]vlewitus [score hidden]  (0 children)
It must have calmed down because I don't see too many MRAs, just people calling SJWs on their idiocy.
[–]fencing49 19 points20 points21 points  (23 children)
Don't forget SRS. They'll be here in a jiffy
[–]AllSeeingGoatWizard 26 points27 points28 points  (19 children)
SRS is still relevant?
[–]Tromben 35 points36 points37 points  (17 children)
They like to think so.
[–]wilst 8 points9 points10 points  (1 child)
Let's be fair: they like to think so. People who love being offensive on the internet and feeling victimized when others say anything about it also like to think so. The rest of us are just somewhere in between, looking at picture of cats and cheese.
[–]TrickShot21 [score hidden]  (0 children)
Dammit now I want some cheddar. Delicious tangy cheddar.
[–]nulspace -4 points-3 points-2 points  (14 children)
SRS is completely relevant, as long as you don't go from 0 to "frothing at the mouth in anger" without actually fact-checking and looking at the context of the comments they report on. Reddit does, in fact, say a lot of shit. And SRS does, sometimes, call it out appropriately. But it also gets it wrong a lot.
I subscribe to SRS, I just don't jump to conclusions. I try and form my own reasonable opinions about anything they report.
[–]bigbearboy144 19 points20 points21 points  (7 children)
The concept of "calling out" is a bit arrogant. Just call people fucknuts and move on.
[–]elbruce 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Or just use the downvote button.
[–]nulspace -5 points-4 points-3 points  (5 children)
Well, I mean, they "call out" these comments in their own community. They aren't trying to push it on anyone else (if you don't want to subscribe)
Note: I have no idea if SRS still brigades or any of that other shit. I am but a lurker.
[–]grundo1561 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
Vote brigading is and always has been promoted by the subreddit.
[–]nulspace 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
Can you show me where they promote that?
[–]Wheezin_Ed 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
This is arguably the most level headed thing I've seen on the subject.
[–]smasters908 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Not sure if troll
[–]iNEEDheplreddit [score hidden]  (0 children)
Hey, i heard you were handing out neon blue hair dye.
[–]grundo1561 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
I don't see what the point is. We can say whatever we want here, as long as it doesn't break the rules. If it's a shitty irrelevant comment, it'll be downvoted. If reddit decides to upvote a rape joke, so what? Karma shouldn't be based on political correctness. You act like you're unbiased, but the very existence of that sub is incredibly biased.
[–]nulspace 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
So the mass upvoting of racist/sexist/hateful content doesn't bother you? You're content with the idea that the hive mind is the best mind?
[–]grundo1561 [score hidden]  (0 children)
I think that reddit is a PC enough website that not many racist jokes are written by actual racists. Even if a comment is legitimately hurtful, I don't think that vote brigading, or even doxxing (yes, SRS has done this) is the way to handle such a comment. I'll laugh at racist jokes because they're funny, not because they hold truth to me. Hell, white people jokes are some of my favorite jokes because more often than not, I can see the stereotypes in my own behavior. I'll laugh at sexist jokes, despite the fact that my mother is one of the hardest working people I know, in addition to being my best friend. I don't really think that most reddit users will agree with true, honest to goodness, pointless hate. They might make jokes about it, but shock humor is a very real thing. No one is really forcing you to look at it, and it's easy enough to just hide a comment chain you find offensive. Most importantly of all, if you find the reddit hive mind so terribly offensive, then perhaps reddit isn't the right site for you.
[–]lagspike -8 points-7 points-6 points  (0 children)
SRS is just filled with neckbeards that think white knighting everything without being rational, will get them somewhere. rather than call something out or arguing with logic, they just vote brigade cause that is all those idiots are good for. at the end of the day, it's just a collective of lonely people thinking that tampering with worthless internet points is some kind of "justice". it isn't though, it's just pathetic. at the end of the day, you have to feel sorry for whoever is behind those keyboards.
it's like /r/circlejerk without the humor. entirely useless.
[–]Ice_Cream_Warrior -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
I can't tell is SRS serious, a circlejerk, or the anti circlejerk circlejerk?
[–]Yellowben 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Yes
[–]Hickle -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
Don't forget SRS
Too late
[–]Shark4760 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
I've smelled that stench in real life. It's awful.
[–]TheJgamer 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Annnnd you started the shitstorm.
[–]sky_walker6 -6 points-5 points-4 points  (1 child)
Your just a suuuper fat cunt
[–]cravf 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
No no, I wasn't insulting your group. I was insulting the other group.
[–]Mi_Pasta_Su_Pasta 6 points7 points8 points  (2 children)
The thing is attitudes like the ones in the OP's gif are the reason we really can't have a level headed discussion on feminism. If someone has an argument against feminism, they're automatically a misogynistic, fedora-tipping neckbeard. If someone is a feminist, they're a legbearded, purple haired, triggered, poly-gendered misandrist. I've seen it so many times, someone states a really simple, respectful question towards either party and gets blasted and attacked on a personal level (getting attacked depending on whose turf they walked in on). Instead of having spaces where people openly go and make themselves vulnerable by asking and answering questions to understand and be understood, we have little "safe-spaces" where groups pigeonhole themselves and create feedback loops where they ban questioning and only ask questions in a sarcastic manner.
And no one really wants an actual actual discussion. Feminists don't want to answer hard questions about their beliefs and ideology that anti-feminists bring up, anti-feminists don't want to take the time and actually consider what feminists have to say. And all those that do in both parties are already turned of by the immediate ad hominem described previously.
I mean, I'm sure this will get downvoted, the feminists will think I'm an MRA and the anti-feminists will think I'm an SJW, but I just wanted to get it out there.
[–]DriveSlowHomie [score hidden]  (0 children)
It's a lot easier to call people names rather then having a proper, thought out, discussion or debate.
[–]Philarete [score hidden]  (0 children)
Good old us vs. them plus "if you're not with us, you're against us" mentality. Yay.
[–]Cannibustible 8 points9 points10 points  (3 children)
Checking in for hopeful "HAHAs"
[–]snoharm 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Great, now I'm gonna be watching their videos all night again.
[–]SonicFlash01 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Ninja Turtle aficionados are insufferable...
[–]mockinurcouth -31 points-30 points-29 points  (3 children)
Don't worry, I think most people have recognized this as the bait it is, downvoted, and moved along.
[–]adaruntai 19 points20 points21 points  (1 child)
The very fact that you commented here negates the message of your comment. Sad.
[–]mockinurcouth -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
Yea, unfortunate isn't it.
[–]macinneb 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
It's funny reading this because it's on my front page.
[–]paidinboredom 58 points59 points60 points  (1 child)
Go-go gadget why the fuck is John Travolta hidden on this page?
[–]CyclopeanJuiceVendor 12 points13 points14 points  (0 children)
He shot up a bunch of heroin and got lost.
[–]mq999 [score hidden]  (0 children)
I will never not upvote this gif.
[–]Element7AB -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
why would you ever go to srd
[–]thrillhouse3671 141 points142 points143 points  (198 children)
I don't get it.
[–]Mysterious_Secrets 421 points422 points423 points  (196 children)
April is passing out fedoras. In the past few years, wearing a fedora has become associated with bitter, fat, woman-hating, neckbeards. OP is insulting the anti-feminist crowd by calling them fat ugly virgins with no self-awareness.
[–]retardcharizard 238 points239 points240 points  (181 children)
So wait, are neckbeards anti-feminism now? I thought they were "white knights" as in, for feminism.
[–]rcavin1118 238 points239 points240 points  (165 children)
They don't believe in actual feminism. They endear themselves to women in the hopes to get laid.
[–]Mr_Zarika 52 points53 points54 points  (153 children)
What's actual feminism?
[–]ohsureee 209 points210 points211 points  (137 children)
The belief in the political, social and economic equality of the sexes.
[–]paulpaparazzi 56 points57 points58 points  (0 children)
'yoncé
[–]reali-tglitch 36 points37 points38 points  (101 children)
By definition, that is egalitarianism.
[–]hex_m_hell 147 points148 points149 points  (95 children)
Feminism is egalitarianism that specifically focuses on cultural forces that are oppressive to women (and ultimately to men in other ways). By being aware of the stereotypes, gender roles, language, and other forces that shape the lives of both women and men it becomes possible to deconstruct the systems that maintain gender inequality.
By definition, an egalitarian must be a feminist. So yes, that is correct.
[–]Davidisontherun 8 points9 points10 points  (1 child)
By definition, an egalitarian must be a feminist. So yes, that is correct.
Isn't believing in patriarchy theory a part of being a feminist? I don't see why you couldn't be an egalitarian that doesn't believe in that theory.
[–]midnightgiraffe [score hidden]  (0 children)
Most feminist theorists use the idea of patriarchy as at least a descriptive term -- as an adjective, to describe institutions where men are dominant. But there are plenty who are, in various ways, critical of it an explanatory concept.
The idea has been criticised by feminists on the basis of its ahistoricism, its reductionism, its tendency to limit the conceptualisation of gender relations (i.e., as occuring only between women and men), and other things. Black feminists have criticised the way it patriarchy-based models tend to theorise race and racism. Socialist feminists have criticised the way they theorise class. There are any number of writers in women's and gender studies (and related fields) who have advocated different approaches to theorising about gender and power.
In my experience the feminist v. egalitarian distinction is one which is usually deployed in a way which misunderstands the aims of feminist theorising and activism, and which problematically cedes the linguistic terrain of the term "feminism" to conservative forces who wish to demonize those advocating for gender equality.
EDIT: Also, worth pointing out that feminism as a term carries with it a great deal of important history that is super important. There's value in that, and in the kind of solidarity that comes with identifying with that tradition.
[–]ConstableCockBlock 10 points11 points12 points  (11 children)
If feminism specifically focuses on female issues but claims to be egalitarian, why not just define it as a movement for women's rights? What so bad about that? Why claim to champion a cause that you only support one side of?
By being aware of the stereotypes, gender roles, language, and other forces that shape the lives of both women and men it becomes possible to deconstruct the systems that maintain gender inequality.
Sounds like an egalitarian to me.
[–]MsManifesto 28 points29 points30 points  (3 children)
/r/feminism addresses this question pretty well in their introductory thread
Feminism is a type of egalitarianism - specifically, one of the types of egalitarianism that deal with gender. "Equalism" or other similar terms never really referred to an actual theoretical discipline, an actual coherent protest movement; we can't actually speak of a certain egalitarian intellectual history/academic texts/produced scholarly works/ideological currency/etc. What you have instead is an umbrella term, an attribute of several schools of thought (a "trend of thought"), without actually being a school of thought in and of itself. Egalitarianism is a very very general ideal (basically, the most general formulation of social equity) which is then further formulated and pursued in more precise terms by various schools of thought/actual social movements. Therefore, movements for the rights of various social groups (women, men, children, LGBT, ethnic groups, people with disabilities, etc.) are all components/specific manifestations of egalitarianism in actual/activist/concrete terms.
This is also a good article that attempts to answer your question.
Some relevant excerpts:
The reason for a distinguishable feminism is that in egalitarianisms and humanisms past, women were significantly left out. People didn’t automatically understand that egalitarianism or humanism meant all humans. They were capable of saying “all men are created equal” and calling that “egalitarianism” while “all men” was defined to exclude women and blacks and even non-land owning white men.
Everyone can be “pro-fixing-houses”, but you still need plumbers to fix pipes, electricians to fix the electrical wiring, and roofers to fix the roof. And we need feminists to focus on issues that specifically impact on women. We need an LGBT movement to concentrate on the issues surrounding sexual orientation and gender. We need anti-racists to tackle racism.
[–]hex_m_hell 63 points64 points65 points  (4 children)
Why claim to champion a cause that you only support one side of?
It doesn't only support one side. It is not possible to liberate or establish equality for one group of people without improving the lives of all people. Men also suffer from patriarchy. Power differences in relationships lead to alienation and isolation. Gender inequality makes relationships harder for both men and women. It makes dating harder.
Fuck, let's take a concrete example. I don't like being seen as a potential rapist because I'm a big scary looking dude. That doesn't feel right. That sucks for me. But when women are getting raped in my neighborhood, I understand why they might be scared when I'm walking down the side walk on a dark night. If women didn't have to be afraid, my life would be better. I would be happier.
But if you want to know why it's called feminism and not just egalitarianism just stop ask yourself one thing. Does it suck more for me that people are afraid, or for the woman who gets raped because some dude thinks he's entitled to fuck her?
Feminism helps both genders, but it's called feminism for a reason.
[–]elbruce 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Rebranding a social movement because its original name isn't quite as precisely correct as you'd like just slows it down. There's little more ineffective than activists standing around arguing about what they should call themselves. So just sticking with the same name is probably the best option... unless your intent is to slow it down.
[–]soundsaboutWRIGHT [score hidden]  (0 children)
Feminists believe that men should be allowed to express emotion just as it is acceptable for women to. They believe that men can be single fathers and sit at playgrounds and not be shamed for it. Feminists dont believe men should have to provide for their families alone and make every decision. And feminists dont believe that men should be sent to jail more often for the same crime committed by women. I only have simple social examples because for the most part, men have social inequality issues to deal with, politically and economically they are ahead as a gender group.
[–]stoudman comment score below threshold-16 points-15 points-14 points  (44 children)
I am also an egalitarian who does not consider themselves a feminist.
[–]JaroSage 25 points26 points27 points  (34 children)
That just makes you an egalitarian who is wrong. What you do or do not consider yourself does not change the definition of feminism.
[–]nulspace -10 points-9 points-8 points  (8 children)
are you implying that you believe men are actually the ones under-privileged/marginalized?
[–]atlasimpure -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
It's also easier to pronounce.
[–]reali-tglitch -36 points-35 points-34 points  (27 children)
I support both women and men. I cannot be called 'feminist' exclusively, nor do I ever wish to be associated with the term in its modern setting, with many 'feminists' (at least the loudest ones) being either fascists or women with a victim complex that came as a result falsified facts or always being told that 'men are evil, scary beasts'. Rarely is it some woman with actual PTSD as a result of rape, severe actual trauma (not some critics or people who dislike you intensely).
[–]addctd2badideas 29 points30 points31 points  (1 child)
Well, you sure earned that fedora, buddy.
[–]Whazzits 9 points10 points11 points  (2 children)
I really appreciate the word fascist, and how it automatically tips me off to the legitimacy of an opinion.
[–]love-from-london 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
How many of these feminists have you actually run into in reality? If you point to tumblr screenshots, here's a newsflash: 90% of those are trolls.
[–]PiCenter68 4 points5 points6 points  (14 children)
Nobody asked you to identify yourself as a feminist "exclusively." That would mean not identifying as ANYTHING else (e.g. As a human or as a particular nationality.) And I don't think there is any data to support anything else in your comment. You say "the loudest" when you ought to say, "the ones represented in the places that I look." Being an egalitarian necessarily means that you're a feminist, otherwise you aren't an egalitarian. You're confused or deceiving yourself. You can be a feminist and not be egalitarian, but you can't be an egalitarian and a not a feminist.
[–]Fireskink -2 points-1 points0 points  (3 children)
Have any examples of this?
[–]wildfire2k5 -12 points-11 points-10 points  (3 children)
Yeah but the radicalized internet feminism isn't feminism. It's womyn are better than men and should run the world because all men are rapist, sexist, privileged pigs. No one is against egalitarianism, they are against "internet/radical" feminism.
[–]Picnicpanther 17 points18 points19 points  (2 children)
But that is a boogeyman version of feminism that very few people in the world actually believe. I'm pretty interested in feminism, and I have never met or seen anything displaying misandry other than the feminism parodies.
[–]CogginsCannon -7 points-6 points-5 points  (0 children)
You didn't see Martin Luther King Jr. fighting for Black rights, he fought for civil rights. So instead of feminism, it should be egalitarianism.
[–]reali-tglitch -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
tips fedora
Oh, you got me. Curses. Neckbeard'd again!
[–]tuqqw 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
No true feminist.
[–]muffinsforever -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
No, it's same-ism. I just made that up but it's real because I don't like feminism but want to avoid being called sexist.
[–]TheGiantGrayDildo69 [score hidden]  (0 children)
Except most feminists think that they should be worth more than men.
[–]Reddithorn [score hidden]  (0 children)
TIL I'm male and 100% feminist.
[–]zuperpretty -5 points-4 points-3 points  (3 children)
But focuses on women's problems while ignoring many men's
[–]ohsureee 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
Okay. So I don't necessarily agree with your assessment (I think you'd find most non-radicalised streams of feminism would generally support equality, like the very definition I gave earlier), but even if I did, why would it have to? Movements don't have to be all things for all people. Just because someone wants to advance a certain cause doesn't automatically mean they wish to discredit all other problems.
[–]lipidsly -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
Doesnt HAVE to but in this case, it does. I think of it as a show thats been running too long. Not that it doesnt come up with good content, its just starting to outlive its ability to be, on the whole, worth it to continue the process. Eventually it reaches the threshold of doing more harm than good in the state its evolved into
[–]ohsureee 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
What? Are you talking about in the West? Or in the whole world? Anyway, your analogy seems flawed to me. If you take that analogy and apply it to another rights movement, say, the civil rights movement of the 60s, it would seem like you were saying "Ugh, they're mostly equal and this party isn't fun anymore" or "UGH, EVERYONE IS JUST TOO DAMN EQUAL NOW."
[–]RapistNextDoor -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
No it is not. That would be an equality activist. Modern feminism is about hating men and advancing women, not bringing both to a level playing field.
[–]PokeChopSandwiches [score hidden]  (0 children)
You know, a few months ago I would have assumed your a troll, or mentally unbalanced. Then I started paying more attention to all the hub bub. Then that guy helped land a project on a meteor, and got death threats and thousands of hate messages for wearing an ugly shirt. Then UVA. Then mattress girl. And Brian Banks. That judge in Texas with the girlfriend tucking and rolling. The Duke Lacrosse chick locked up for felonies. Tumblr in general. Occidental and Vassar university ongoing lawsuits for expulsion of male students after consensual sex.
We have a rape epidemic on college campuses, with a rate of 1 in 600ish. According to moderate feminists, the feminists calling for genocide of straight white men is a similar number. So if only 1 in 500 feminists are these crazy women from TIA, would that not indicate we have an epidemic of violent deadly feminism across college campuses?
Where is the outrage, the support groups, the social media tags for these poor men? The victims of Internet bullying, doxxing and death threats deserve our attention and support, even if they are men. I find it extremely sexist that society demands men stand tall in the onslaught of mean words on the Internet, when this same demand is not extended to female genders.
[–]aclose78 -14 points-13 points-12 points  (19 children)
Well that's a stupid name for something you could just call equality. Why make it sound so anti men If you actually want to be equals? Not a direct question, just thinking out loud.
[–]TheSoberRussian 13 points14 points15 points  (3 children)
There's nothing anti-men about true feminism, there is a big overlap of men haters and "feminists" aka radical feminism however, which you predominately find on websites like Tumblr. I've met men who hate men. It's weird
I feel like the feminism vs egalitarianism argument is stupid, who cares what you call yourself, it's the principle that matters.
Feminism is standing up for women's right just as much as men's rights, not tearing down men's right. The problem is, especially in non-western worlds, being a woman sucks, so more attention is given to women's right.
Even in western worlds there is a difference. For example, a mother is more likely to be discriminated against and receive less pay than nonmother coworkers, while a father is most likely to be paid more than nonfather coworkers.
That doesn't mean men don't have problems. There was a video a few days ago on how men are always perceived as a predator, and this is a problem that feminism should solve and is something Emma Watson addressed. For example, there was a test on a man taking random pictures at a waterpark, all by himself. Security showed up quickly, and told him to stop; however, a woman was able to take as many pictures as close as she wanted and no one batted in eye.
sorry, this became long, just an open thought
[–]aclose78 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
It was a beach I think. Yeah there's problems on both sides, I'm just saying the name implies caring only about one side.
[–]outcastded 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
But who are the true feminists then? Is there an organisation, or group, or something, that actually tries to fight for men's rights as well?
Because I get the feeling, each time I see new articles about anything that feminists are trying to do, that it is always about things that happens to women, as they say. Typically harassment, sexual abuse, something something porn, and so on. In a lot of the topics they are talking about, there are a lot of men that suffers from the same thing. (Although more women gets raped than men, it doesn't mean that men getting raped is not important enough to mention.)
Quite often the run of the mill feminists don't seem to be talking about equality at all, but rather more power/rights to women.
What I'm referring to here might just be the loud minority of radical feminists, but I really wish that the rest of the feminist movement, (the true feminists?) would speak up against those who give them a bad name.
[–]pockycide -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Hey, I can't address all of your points, but I think its worth considering that feminism is actually trying to correct a lot of abstract things- misrepresentation, social perception, etc. But its already so hard to have to constantly "prove" these concepts to other people who might not be used to analyzing culture or educating themselves in social sciences. So it really makes sense to try and focus on "visible" things like changing policies or affecting actions; it's already hard enough to convince people there are cultural problems faced by both men and women in a society built strongly on unequal principles long before many of our native languages even existed.
[–]Erlekoenig 6 points7 points8 points  (5 children)
Why does feminism sound anti-men? Men can be feminine just as women can be masculine. Neither is exclusive to gender, and femininity should be allowed to be expressed by men and women everywhere. The problem being that femininity is largely looked down upon. Especially from men by men as it's seen as a weakness.
[–]outcastded 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Men can be feminine just as women can be masculine.
Yeah, but that has nothing to do with feminism, has it? Feminism is supposed to be about equality, but in practice it's more about getting women more power, ignoring the men. Or so it seems to me.
[–]Davidisontherun [score hidden]  (0 children)
Men can be feminine just as women can be masculine. Neither is exclusive to gender
What do you mean by this? Do you mean to say that men can be sensitive and women can be strong or something? I see traits like sensitivity to be masculine and strength to be feminine.
[–]aclose78 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
If you don't already get why feminism sounds antimen then I don't think I can explain it to you. It's not about what it means at its core. It's about what people take away from the name.
[–]waitwuh 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
Why is being "pro" something mean you are automatically anti-something else? If I am pro-blue, does that mean I'm automatically anti-purple? Maybe I'm just as pro-blue as I am pro-purple, you just heard me talk about blue most recently.
Feminism started off as the movement for women's suffrage. Is being pro-women's right to vote somehow against mens right to vote? I don't think so. Yeah, as a man, you might not like that your vote doesn't hold as much sway now that the population of voters basically doubled, but it doesn't mean anybody is anti-you-voting just because you are a man.
[–]ohsureee 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
The word has deeper roots. It harks from the days where women couldn't vote and were heavily discriminated in the workplace (think Mad Men). It mightn't sound like the ideal term to use nowadays, but when people use this as a criticism to justify discrediting the whole movement because it seems like it "doesn't support men", it's annoying. Words don't just spring from nowhere.
[–]Deckurr 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
"started from the bottom now we here"
[–]Beast_Blood comment score below threshold-11 points-10 points-9 points  (6 children)
Because feminism isn't about men's rights. People say it's about equality, and I agree with that statement, but it is about equality for women only (which isnt really equality when you think about it). I wouldn't call it anti men, however, Id say that there is zero focus on men, which is exactly what the word feminist implies. A feminist who wants equality for men as well (because men's rights issues do exist) would not be a feminist anymore, but an egalitarian.
[–]nulspace 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
but it is about equality for women only (which isnt really equality when you think about it)
No, it's not. It's about equality from a female perspective. "Female perspective" being a perspective that subscribes to the belief that women have been, and continue to be in various ways, marginalized or less privileged than men.
It's like a set of scales, men on one side, women on the other. Feminism is the belief that the scales are tipped in men's favour, and equality can be achieved by adding more to the female side.
(I'm not talking about radical/extreme feminism or man-hating).
[–]Davidisontherun [score hidden]  (0 children)
Gender issues are more like thousands of sets of scales not just one. More are tipped in men's favour for sure but we still need weight added to our side as well.
[–]Fireskink 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
Wouldn't equality for women place them at the same social standing as men? How is that not truly equal?
[–]Beast_Blood 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
But men also are lower than women in certain aspects, like the justice system for example, incredibly biased towards women. In my experience, feminism does little to focus on these issues.
[–]aclose78 -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
So what you're saying is it's a person who only finds fault in things they've had personally dealt with and lacks sympathy for people outside their experience. I find people like that to be douche bags. It's like mlk marching for civil rights while simultaneously hating gay people. He was totally correct about civil rights being a universal right. But his ideas didn't transfer to gay people because he didn't personally feel the injustice.
[–]-qp- -2 points-1 points0 points  (3 children)
If only the movement only showed up in the news due to that positive message...
[–]ohsureee -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
There are unsavory aspects to all movements. Also how often are radicalised feminists even in the news?
[–]-qp- 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Whenever feminism makes the news.
[–]PokeChopSandwiches [score hidden]  (0 children)
1 in 600 women are victims of sexual assault on college campuses. Judging by the comments of the many moderate feminists or egalitarians, a similar number of feminists are the extremely violent death threat spewing type. The consensus is that these radfems are rare, 1 in 500 rare.
So when the perpetrator is male, 1 in 600 is considered an epidemic, and worthy of an immeasurably large amount of attention from every side. Government, social media, print and cable media, fucking everyone. But when 1 in 500 feminists doxxes men, threatens to kill them, writes hate speech openly on social media and receives hundreds or thousands of likes or notes, eh no big deal. After all, not all feminists are like this, not even most. 1 in 500 is such a tiny number! Except when it's convenient for it to be an epidemic. Then it's not such a tiny number.
[–]Davidisontherun 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Depends on which feminist you ask
[–]DrSandbags 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
Oh boy prepare yourself...
[–]Cranyx 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
About the same thing as a True Scotsman.
[–]TheGreatMrDoodles -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
Not r/feminism.
[–]PlushSandyoso 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
Seriously. I genuinely am a feminist. And I got banned for posting about 3rd wave material.
[–]TheGreatMrDoodles [score hidden]  (0 children)
I heard Emma Watson is banned too, as long as you even mention not being radical and just wanting equality they beat your ass with the ban hammer.
[–]Corndog_Enthusiast -30 points-29 points-28 points  (4 children)
A group of women who want more power with less responsibility, but label it as "equality".
[–]LiquidColors 11 points12 points13 points  (3 children)
Less responsibility?
Edit: Lol, wait, did you downvote me for asking you to clarify your statement?
[–]Corndog_Enthusiast comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points  (2 children)
No, I just now got onto reddit again, some random probably downvoted you.
Feminism wants women to essentially have the upper hand in legal matters and force women into spots in society often held by men (business, certain occupations). Truth of the matter is that men end up in these certain positions because male psyche/physique is somehow more suited to that position for some reason, which would naturally result in less females holding that position. Feminism would like to pass laws requiring a certain amount of women to hold these male dominated positions, no matter their level of competence. It is a possibility that inefficient workers could have the opportunity to stay in the workplace, simply because of their gender.
This is a vague explanation, but if you look out for it, you'll spot examples of this and things like this in the news.
[–]LiquidColors 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
Let's grant that you're right about affirmative action policies and laws, where does the "less responsibility" come in?
Or, let's not grant that you're right about affirmative actions policies and say that women hold less positions in male dominated professions because they only recently gained access to these professions and because of that, plus a healthy dose of sexism, women are under-represented in fields regardless of their level of competence.
[–]Corndog_Enthusiast -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
Seems like you've already made up your mind about what feminism is, even before you asked about it.
Assuming I'm right, the idea of less responsibility is shown in rape court cases; her word is often stronger than his, even in false claims. Divorce is something that only a woman benefits from, providing that prenups are absent. Court rulings have been almost consistently lenient towards women. As for less responsibility in the workplace, I'd consider the equivalent of workplace tenure to be stripping women of responsibility. In my opinion, even thinking that women need help from the law to get a job is the least "feminist" way of thinking possible. Surely any woman would be able to get the same job as a man could, right? If they're not getting those jobs, surely it's the fault of the woman, since they're strong and independent? Maybe they aren't good at these jobs or don't want them.
As for recent access to jobs, the first and foremost thing that comes to mind would be combat positions. In my strong opinion, women just don't belong there. People currently serving claim the same thing. It's not a matter of sexism, it's complete incompetence in the profession. The women would have less responsibility as the standards are lowered for them, allowing for mediocrity. If a woman truly wants that position, I want her to perform equally well and meet the exact same standards of a man. Only then will I be ok with the occasional woman serving in combat roles.
[–]bs_pointer_outer -16 points-15 points-14 points  (1 child)
The answer is different today than it was, say, 40 years ago. I think the parent post was referring to the latter, which involved equal rights of the sexes. Today's "feminists" are primarily a victimhood-embracing fringe movement. It's unfortunate, because the term's existence causes great women who are truly self-empowering to get lumped in with the lunatics who cry "misogyny" when someone holds a door for them.
[–]bs_pointer_outer -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Not sure if I'm getting downvoted by pro- or anti- feminists.
Probably both. I can accept that.
[–]MUTHAFATHAGENTLEMAN -11 points-10 points-9 points  (0 children)
Improving the rights and opportunities of women wherever a woman perceives inequality.
[–]bs_pointer_outer 9 points10 points11 points  (8 children)
Nope.
"Man-hating neckbeards" are guys who are abusive towards women and don't get laid.
"White-knight neckbeards" are guys who endear themselves to women and don't get laid.
Get your stereotypes straight.
[–]Noduxo 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
Wait, I thought atheists were the neckbeards? I'm so confused.
[–]JaroSage 23 points24 points25 points  (0 children)
Everyone I don't like today is a neckbeard. See also: hipster.
[–]stoudman 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
What if I have a neckbeard, but am not abusive, endearing, or anything else towards women? Oh, and also not getting laid, because that is of course a crucial aspect of the definition of "neckbeard."
Ironic that feminists would use a term to describe men who are exhibiting some form of sexism, and yet instill in that description the concept that they cannot get laid, which is in and of itself a problematic statement suggesting that men are not truly men unless they are having sex with women, thus ultimately making women out to be a sex object for deserving men who are not neckbeards.
In other words, any time a feminist says "neckbeards," they are essentially calling women sexual objects primarily used for the gratification of deserving men. When a feminist sees women as sexual objects, there's a problem. :)
[–]elbruce 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
I find it interesting that a movement that stands for (among other things) body acceptance and the freedom to make your own fashion choices uses the terms "neckbeard" and "fedora" to describe people they don't like. Apparently men whose facial hair goes below their jawline and/or who want to wear a hat that makes them feel like Indiana Jones get to be judged negatively on those outward traits, by people who purportedly take a stand against judging others on outward traits.
[–]berriesthatburn 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
watch out, that slope of a comment is pretty slippery.
[–]stoudman -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
Dude, slip n' slides are awesome.
[–]LtCthulhu 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Horseshoe theory at work.
[–]retardcharizard 12 points13 points14 points  (1 child)
:/ Labels suck.
[–]Someone-Else-Else 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Which is why I'd never label myself a charizard.
[–]hmbmelly 41 points42 points43 points  (7 children)
There's both types. I'd say the white knight is the same neckbeard before constant rejection turns him into a redpilling anti-feminist. The white knight uses feminism to endear himself to women he puts on a pedestal.
[–]retardcharizard 23 points24 points25 points  (1 child)
Shit. I need to keep up.
[–]Zoloir 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Just take a fedora and keep moving, eventually you'll just shoot out the other side of the internet having no idea what just happened but with really intense feelings about feminism that you can't make heads or tails of.
[–]Admiral_Donuts 19 points20 points21 points  (0 children)
It's a really weird evolution chain. I wish they'd just used a stone or something, but no, Whiteknights evolve into Redpillers when they level up in the friendzone.
[–]ExileOnMeanStreet 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Shameless plug for /r/whiteknighting.
[–]MadnessofKingHippo -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Very concise way of explaining it.
[–]akornblatt 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
What do you call guys that belive in equality and get laid a lot?
[–]monaliana -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
Feminists.
[–]sure-thing 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
No no you don't get it, anyone that disagrees with your point of view needs to be made to look completely dastardly and unsavory.
[–]ENTPformybunghole 12 points13 points14 points  (1 child)
it doesn't really matter. neckbeard is just a term for someone who disagrees with you at this point
[–]retardcharizard 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Huh. I call my best friend a neck bread if he doesn't shave his.
[–]destiny24 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Reddit just makes fun of anything in a fedora.
[–]UOUPv2 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Anti-feminism around men, white knights around women.
[–]Lord_Vargo-Hoat 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
There's both. Like how people on theredpill are neckbeards, and people on shitredditsays are neckbeards.
Being a neckbeard isn't about your view, or your interest (well, not -exactly-), it's how you go about it. Otherwise there'd be no neckbeard fights, and I think we all know that isn't true.
[–]SmokeyUnicycle -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
No, they're patriarchal white knights.
[–]thrillhouse3671 7 points8 points9 points  (3 children)
Those are fedoras?
[–]CyclopeanJuiceVendor 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
Yes, what most people on the internets think is a fedora is actually a Trilby
[–]Sambiches 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Actual fedora's yes. The trilby is the hat that is actually associated with this particular group under a false label.
[–]bs_pointer_outer -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
I don't know. But I suspect other responses from fedora-wearing neckbeards will explain the details.
[–]adaruntai 15 points16 points17 points  (0 children)
Nothing wrong with fat or virgins. More about dissing the pseudo-intellectualism and misogyny of the fedora wearing idiot.
[–]LeDoucheBaguette 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
TL;DR he is about to troll
[–]szthesquid 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
wearing a fedora has become associated with bitter, fat, woman-hating, neckbeards
[–]AliveProbably [score hidden]  (0 children)
I think the technical type of hat is completely irrelevant when the person wearing it looks like 1980s Harrison Ford.
[–]tdfrantz 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
Oh I thought op was saying feminists are neckbeards, guess this one went over my head too >_>
[–]CAWWW 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Yeah I figured it was handing out fedoras to all the white knights.
[–]P1r4nha [score hidden]  (0 children)
... or awesome Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles! Yeehaaa
[–]ShallowBasketcase -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
I thought OP was implying they were sewer-dwelling mutant warriors in disguise.
[–]trimaz -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
But fedora neckbeards are pro femenist because they believe if they white knight them they will get laid by them.
[–]aimless_airship -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
"Everyone who doesn't agree with my ideology is fat and ugly."
[–]VanillaDong [score hidden]  (0 children)
April just handed you a fedora.
[–]MegaAssedFaget 70 points71 points72 points  (3 children)
ITT: 205 comments with people stating how they can't wait for the ensuing neckbeard shitstorm.
[–]Farisr9k [score hidden]  (1 child)
This is the most dissappointing thread on reddit since Morgan Freeman's AMA.
[–]DriveSlowHomie [score hidden]  (0 children)
Seriously, when the fuck did reddit grow up? Boooooring
[–]lazythinker 28 points29 points30 points  (1 child)
Hold on let me grab my popcorn.
[–]Mushroomer 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
So far I've seen a lot of people bracing for a shit-flinging mess - with zero flung shit.
Edit - hit the bottom of the thread. Still not a TON of drama - but it's not absent.
[–]DarkSpawn890 43 points44 points45 points  (3 children)
­>No trans fat
[–]AllSeeingGoatWizard 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
Oh there is fat. There is lots of fat.
[–]AreoWolf [score hidden]  (0 children)
Lots of trans, too.
[–]_littlehelll -5 points-4 points-3 points  (5 children)
Trigger warning, shitlord. /s
[–]ravens52 4 points5 points6 points  (4 children)
Have any of these feminists actually uttered the word "shitlord"? Audibly.
[–]eatbox1997 14 points15 points16 points  (0 children)
I have, but it's because I named my hamster Shitlord.
[–]Whazzits 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
It bums me out that radical tumblr crazies have taken the word shitlord for their own because it's seriously one of my favorite curse phrases.
[–]freex3 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I think first time I heard it was in a yogscast. "Later shitlords!" As lewis jet packs away or something. Friggin hilarious! Now its being tainted with hate.
[–]nasebanaru 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Fuck, I forgot that woman existed... no thanks for reminding me.
[–]Sojourner_Truth 231 points232 points233 points  (54 children)
Lewis's Law: Comments on any article about feminism demonstrate why feminism is needed.
[–]GisterMizard 185 points186 points187 points  (8 children)
Youtube's law: Don't read the damn comments.
[–]Butt_Bananas 14 points15 points16 points  (2 children)
ayy lmao
[–]the_littlest_killbot 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
The comments in this post are actually giving me a lot of hope. When I first scrolled past, I thought it was trollx, but I was pleasantly surprised it was good ol' reactiongifs... :)
[–]killthealias 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Praise be to AlienTube
[–]FisterMantaztic 36 points37 points38 points  (19 children)
That's corny though. It can be applied to just about any -ism.
"Comments on any article about [x]ism demostrates why [x]ism is needed."
[–]soco-amaretto-lime 142 points143 points144 points  (7 children)
Comments on any article about racism demonstrate why racism is needed.
[–]GH0ESTCAT 91 points92 points93 points  (5 children)
Comments on any article about nazism demonstrates why nazism is needed.
[–]_curiousjorge 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
Heheheheh high five
[–]paging_doctor_who 10 points11 points12 points  (2 children)
Heheheheh high heil five
FTFY
[–]thatoneguy82101 [score hidden]  (0 children)
Heil funf, Mensch.
[–]outcastded 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I assume the Nazis think so.
[–]joonjoon 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Comments on any article about jism demonstrate why jism is needed?
[–]TheEnterprise 17 points18 points19 points  (6 children)
I don't believe in "isms". I just believe in me.
John Lennon said that. He was the Walrus.
I could be the Walrus.
I'd still have to bum rides off people.
Edit: A wee bit o context
[–]Swordfish08 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
The Walrus was Paul.
[–]love-from-london 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
He was also off his face on drugs and was generally a dick.
[–]eshaman 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
And a misogynist with mother issues.
[–]passive_fist 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
Comments on any article about hypothyroidism demonstrate why hypothyroidism is needed.
[–]fistungir 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Any -ism you say?
"Comments on any article about sexism demostrates why sexism is needed."
But you're right, one could argue that the comments regarding MRA on Tumblr would demostrate why MRA is needed, using that logic.
[–]Kerai 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
That's interesting, but fortunately this law isn't recognised by anyone who is serious. Probably because of poor quality or obvious bias presented in said articles, that aren't even about feminism, but steal the term for their own goals and profits.
[–]I_DOXX_CATS -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
KILL ALL MEN
[–]RP_Since_Birth -4 points-3 points-2 points  (1 child)
"I need feminism because I'm an upper-middle-class privileged white woman with a baggage full of first world problems who has never experienced any real problems. Also, I should be able to fuck 472 guys that look like Channing Tatum while being obese and hairy"
[–]jarjarkinks comment score below threshold-21 points-20 points-19 points  (16 children)
^ Self-avowed communist, radical feminist, and hardcore /r/Shitredditsays poster right here.
Tell us more, oh wise one. Seriously, check their posts. They're nuts.
[–]MrIceCap 36 points37 points38 points  (0 children)
The fuck does that have to do with the point being made?
[–]Bear_Psychologist 16 points17 points18 points  (1 child)
Lewis's Lewis's Law: Comments on any comments on any article about feminism demonstrate why feminism is needed
[–]bopll 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
oh no, a communist! Get 'em!
[–]CAHooptie 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
Lol, she even calls herself Sojourner Truth. The narcissism, it burns.
[–]Mi_Pasta_Su_Pasta 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Are you in any way related to Joseph McCarthy?
[–]Someone-Else-Else -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
SRS is still relevant?
Top comment from this week is barely over 200.
[–]matti00 95 points96 points97 points  (12 children)
go go gadget heteronormative male privilege
[–]Mi_Pasta_Su_Pasta 55 points56 points57 points  (4 children)
Is it weird that I can't tell if you're making fun of anti-feminists or feminists?
[–]Kombat_Wombat 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
Wow. I'm very curious which one is the case now.
[–]matti00 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
I hate it, but I almost don't want to say for the sake of my inbox for the next week
[–]ZeffC [score hidden]  (0 children)
BUT IT WAS TOO LATE, /u/matti00's INBOX DIDN'T STAND A CHANCE
[–]eragonisdragon 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Poe's law
[–]Randolpho 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
M'lady.
M'lady.
M'lady.
M'lady.
M'lady.
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[–]Urguluch 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Was listening to Pulswidth by Aphex Twin when I opened the .gif, goes right to the beat.
[–]Hickle 10 points11 points12 points  (3 children)
I casually strolled through this comment thread, reading some dissenting opinions, clicked on some popcorn gifs, made a few comments and then suddenly found the juicy treat that was the graveyard at the bottom of the thread.
[–]psuedopseudo 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Sorted by > controversial
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[–]TinFoilWizardHat 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
You hand out hats to the ninja turtles?
[–]eton 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
Well on the plus side, at least redditors get to be the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in this metaphor.
[–]LupinThe8th 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Slimy creatures who subsist on pizza, live in filth, and had their childhoods ruined by Michael Bay?
Sounds about right.
[–]jimmybrite 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
That's one hell of a brave statement.
[–]InLoveWithKueppers 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
Feminism has become something like an insult on the internet it seems.
[–]neonsnewo 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
That Grandma with the shopping cart in the scene after this really concerned me as a kid
[–]mack_5991 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
the good old days, they dont make them like that anymore.
[–]ENTree93 [score hidden]  (0 children)
So this whole thing is dead. All posts are about how there will be a shitstorm of feminism.
[–]SecretiveNarwhals comment score below threshold-13 points-12 points-11 points  (24 children)
What what kind of feminism are we talking about here. Radical bullshit tumblr feminism? Or everyone is equal, and men are fine feminism? Because a lot of times I just see feminists bashing men as a whole and making broad statements about men that would be considered sexist if the subject was changed from "men" to "women". I'm not saying feminism is bad as a whole, but there are some feminists who are just way to extreme.
[–]RedAnarchist 22 points23 points24 points  (12 children)
Where. Where besides the crevasses of /r/TumblersInAction do you actually run into these crazy extreme feminists.
I went to a very liberal private college in the North East and even in 4 years there, I never ran into any of these man-hating fema-nazis Reddit always brings up.
[–]Brikachu 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Going to a private liberal arts college currently. Trust me, they exist. Laci Green, a feminist I respect but dont necessarily agree with everything she says, came to visit our school in the fall. I went to her presentation because I liked her so much. She asked a question like, "What can we do to prevent rape?" And someone literally yelled out "destroy the patriarchy!"
So yeah, they exist. Small in number, loud in voice. They're also trying to make it so that alleged rapists get kicked out of school without any due process, so that's also super annoying.
[–]Daneruu 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
I knew 3 at a place I used to work.
[–]psuedopseudo 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
I just spent 4 years at a private college in the North East, and these people are very present and basically have the entire school in a chokehold. The op-ed section of our paper is tumblr-level nonsense nearly every day.
I understand you may have had a different experience, but these people are definitely not just internet trolls.
[–]Yiiiiiik 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Haha, that comic had me giggling. That's perfect.
[–]aliterati -1 points0 points1 point  (6 children)
Comments like this honestly just show how socially inattentive the person making the comment is. I'm not saying there's a bunch of cackling man-hating SJWs all over the place.
The point is there are people of every mindset and opinion - because you haven't run into them doesn't mean they don't exist.
I doubt you've seen many severe burn victims in person, but we exist - and that's a completely visual defect.
I've never run into a red pill guy, they are mentioned constantly on Reddit, doesn't mean they don't exist and are a problem.
[–]Michikid 6 points7 points8 points  (5 children)
Well, the idea of "I've never run into one, but they exist," is perfectly valid, until you let the caricature define the group it is perceived to represent. What RedAnarchist is saying is not that they don't exist, but that reddit has taken to associating the word "feminist" with a certain, and largely incorrect image.
[–]captainfantastyk [score hidden]  (0 children)
But that's where it becomes a thing of experience.
I honestly think it's less of a made up caricature and more of a group of negative experiences that have led to a stereotype.
[–]pinkeyeofthetiger 9 points10 points11 points  (3 children)
This is a silly argument. There are extremists in every group.
[–]TheVanishingMan comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (6 children)
Check your sexist male heteronormative privilege, there is no such thing as radical feminism. I'll have you know that I am a proud feminist with over 13 tumblr-followers, and men need to be punished for thousands of years of oppression they have forced on women like myself. Women like myself, poc, heterosexual people, and anyone who isn't heteronormative are the only people on the planet that have ever produced positive change. I find it extremely offensive that you think men should be equal to women, women (and non-heterosexual men) should be the only ones with any political or natural rights, the very fact that you would suggest men deserve even close to equal rights sets off all of my triggers.
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[–]penguins_wat 13 points14 points15 points  (4 children)
Comments like this give everyone the impression that this is what feminism is. YES, there are some extreme freaks out there who hate men, but there are extremists for almost any kind of activism. Feminists just want equal pay, fair health care, and just basic equal rights.
[–]SecretiveNarwhals -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
I don't know about healthcare, but the wage gap really isn't a thing. Well at least it's not because of discrimination. It's because women tend to choose less dangerous and lower paying jobs rather than more dangerous but higher paying jobs. I won't get into the details here, but here's a article from the Wall Street journal about it.
[–]Whazzits 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
This is only a part of the puzzle. While it may be true that women disproportionately choose lower-paying jobs, and that they take more child leave (another common argument), the real issue that the gender gap argument seeks to fight is that women aren't offered the same jobs at the same pay as men.
There was a study that offered people the same resume for the same job but with different names. Female-named candidates were more likely to be offered less money. (I can't find that study off the top of my head, sorry!) Similarly, as found here, when the same trick was done, women were less likely to be tapped for a position at all. Exact same resume, different gender, and discrimination appeared.
Until this doesn't happen, it's impossible to say how much of the pay gap is due to personal choice and how much is due to discriminatory practice. That does not mean we should not campaign for an end to gender discrimination, nor that we should throw up our hands at the complexity of the issue.
[–]FourBeatsPerDerp 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Her left sleeve just keeps getting longer and longer!
[–]lagspike -11 points-10 points-9 points  (0 children)
I need "feminism" because it's fun to make fun of idiots on the internet
[–]NorwegianWood28 -10 points-9 points-8 points  (4 children)
Feminism means different things for different people.
[–]LupinThe8th 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
Totally! I mean, Webster's Dictionary for example, has two whole definitions! And you can pick either one!
[–]NorwegianWood28 -3 points-2 points-1 points  (1 child)
It's funny because I've made the exact same comment on SRD and it got like 20 upvotes. Anyway, I still stand by what I said. Some people think feminism is just the equality between men and women. But I've had people tell me that men can't be feminist. Or that pro life people can't be feminist.
[–]elbruce -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Or: "some people are wrong."
[–]eshaman 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
You've been downvoted on reddit. That means you're wrong. Words cannot have different meanings to different people. All words mean exactly the same thing to all people. All people interpret all words in exactly the same way.
[–]AmidTheSnow [score hidden]  (0 children)
[–]TwilightRainburst -46 points-45 points-44 points  (5 children)
Better than being a legbeard.
[–]glaneuse 25 points26 points27 points  (4 children)
Why's my legbeard any grosser than yours?
[–]TwilightRainburst -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
I shave mine. Assumptions again. #likeagirl
[–]Warnings comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points  (0 children)
Dayum. Would you like some ice with that burn, m'sir?
[–]Mi_Pasta_Su_Pasta -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
Why's my neckbeard any grosser than yours? And you can get a job as an entertainer just for having a neckbeard while I'm just considered a loser #whyineedmenism
[–]lagspike -61 points-60 points-59 points  (20 children)
modern "feminism" is nothing more than a way to make men miserable, it isn't about rights at all. it's all a facade, like their ridiculous concept of a "patriarchy".
go ahead, call me a shitlord cause you have no argument. :)
edit: no arguments? figures
[–]Dtr45 28 points29 points30 points  (6 children)
not that no ones has no argument but no ones gives a shit or wants to bother with your crap
[–]Reejis99 9 points10 points11 points  (6 children)
edit: no arguments? figures
What is there to argue against? You asserted an opinion. What do you want, "nuh uh"?
[–]jodius [score hidden]  (0 children)
You could respond to the opinion and say "here's why I think you're wrong". That's normally how arguments or discussions work.
[–]elbruce 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
Classically, the term "feminism" referred to equality between the sexes, focusing on helping the one that was getting the short end of the stick catch up. It's made a vast amount of positive change doing that.
There are two groups of people who claim that the term has been redefined in the modern era:
  1. Extremist feminists who want women to rule over men and who see it as a battle of the sexes which they intend to win, and
  2. Opponents to feminism who want women to remain subjugated, because they see it as a battle of the sexes which they intend to win.
If you agree with their new definition, then you must be one of those two groups - or at least, you're helping them by doing so. If you're not supporting one of those two groups, then you should argue against that new definition, instead of advocating for it.
In any case, I reject any attempt to redefine the term when those who support that redefinition consist primarily of both its extremists and its opponents. Because I think mainstream, classical feminism is a good thing that has been (and continues to be) a powerful force for positive change in the world.
Edit: there's your argument.
[–]MasterOfSquids 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
My opinion on that is that I think we should just let all the crazies have their definition of feminism, and then everyone else that truly cares about equality somewhat can fall under a different category, because there's going to be a persisting problem if we can't clearly separate the two groups of people. There are too many people that loosely use the word feminism to describe every batshit insane person that wants every man's genitals to be ripped off. I'm not saying that a lot of people support that exact idea but you get the point. It starts silly and pointless arguments and generally just gives what I'm going to describe as, "good feminists" a bad name.
Edit: I'm not good at paragraphs so bear with me.
[–]VanillaDong [score hidden]  (0 children)
Neckbeard, neckbeard, have you any wool? Yes, sir, yes, sir, three chins full.
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