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[–]AntranikNice Mod 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Everybody deals with injury eventually and I'm sure you have dealt with many in your life.

  • If you had to give one general tip for injury prevention, what would it be?

  • And when injury does occur, how do YOU deal with the emotional consequences of that down-time?

[–]IdoPortalCan Go Fuck A Duck[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As Nassim Taleb says: 'Most try to take a fixed time window (say one day, one week, etc.) and try to predict events. To predict, find events that have certain occurrence but uncertain timing (say, the fragile will break) rather than certain timing but uncertain occurrence.'

What does this mean? Injuries will happen in certain areas FOR SURE. It changes somewhat between all of us but it was always obvious to me one needs to understand WHICH are those areas of weakness and HOW to make them less fragile. That is my approach and that is the best recommendation I can provide you.

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      [–]longlivetupac 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      • what do you believe are the bear minimum (top 5 or so) exercises/movements that you would recommend everyone add to their routine

      • how do you approach customizing a routine to suit the individuals goals

      • how would you change the basic routine posted on this site

      Thank you for sharing your wisdom Ido

      [–]AntranikNice Mod 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (10子コメント)

      Wrists are a huge weak point for many people when they begin hand-balancing and simply spending time on the floor.

      • What would you say is the best exercise/protocol/tool to bulletproof ones wrists all around?

      [–]red1392 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Obviously not Ido but I remember a video of John doing wrist pushups in a wall handstand so I imagine it gets pretty hardcore...

      [–]ponchedeburro 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Is it something you can link? I'm not sure which "John" we are talking about here.

      [–]red1392 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      John Sapinoso. Was unsure how to spell his last name so I just referred to him as John. He's one of the guys that teaches with Ido. Handstand wrist pushups

      [–]orealy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      I remember him complementing Summer's wrist stretches and strengthening in the past. The wrist rocks, first knuckle pushups, finger pushups and wrist pushups from H1 seem like good strengthening exercises, as long as you don't overdo volume or intensity.

      [–]AntranikNice Mod 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      First knuckle push up = fist push up?

      [–]orealy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Pushup position -> press into the first knuckle of your palm -> palm lifts off, fingers stay on the ground. Goal is for 90 degree angle.

      This will probably originally feel like quite a stretch, so maybe start your progressions on all fours, or maybe even one at a time.

      What's a fist pushup? Just pushup on fist?

      [–]AntranikNice Mod 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Oh gotcha, so like, palm pulses is what I've heard those called as well.

      Fish pushup is push up on fist, yes. :)

      [–]orealy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yep, palm pulses 😃.

      [–]h1b1k1n0BBoy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I found that strengthening the muscles in my forearms helped alleviate a lot of pain from a longstanding wrist injury I sustained when I was exclusively breakdancing. It was really painful starting out but I always made sure whether I was using bars, freeweights or parallettes that I would squeeze them as hard as I could.

      It was initially painful training like this and I didn't get as many repetitions (Forearms are most of the time not as trained and will fail first) but moving on a year later I no longer require the frequent use of wrist support. Grip strength is underrated in my humble opinion.

      [–]AntranikNice Mod 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (11子コメント)

      When people begin training pistol squats, they often discover their ankle dorsiflexion ROM prevents them from being able to go down to the very bottom.

      • What exercise/stretch do you suggest for someone to help increase this ankle dorsiflexion ROM so pistols become doable?

      [–]dispatch134711 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (9子コメント)

      I need to hear this answer, I have limited ROM in my right ankle.

      [–]B32DB08170 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I broke one of my legs in a gymnastics accident and had to provide my own physical therapy for financial reasons.

      Standing and moving through various lunge positions while keeping my foot flat was how I started. From there, I kept the foot flat and stretched for 1 hour day by pressing my bodyweight to hold my foot flat on the ground while progressively rotating farther and father in each direction.

      Eventually, I used my hands to handle and move my foot. Work on being able to have your foot at various with your toes both pointed and bent. This helped my ROM the most.

      I hope that helps.

      [–]kougaroWeak 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The "rebuilding the feet" serie is quite interesting:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha6ZxfG6Tz8

      also, spend 5 mins a day at the rock bottom of a squat, pistol or otherwise.

      Ido Portal reference for extra ideas:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbozu0DPcYI

      [–]HomeMadeMuscle 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I think B32DB08170 made a good point. I have heard Ido portal say that he uses weighted squats mainly to streth and generaly I know (from personal experience at least) that the best way to stretch these muscles is passive stretching from extra weight, either thats your own or if you add something like a weighted bag for example.

      Something that helps me alot its doing Pistols with shoe inner soles. This helps a lot on stretching the muscles required for a deep Pistol.

      Here's what I mean if you want a clearer picture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-g1vixVvEI&feature=youtu.be

      [–]vinca_minor 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      What do you know today that you wish you knew ten years ago?

      [–]BadfickleWeak 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I saw your video on the squat and how it was at one time a resting position which we have screwed up with the invention of the chair. From your research on movement, what other major types of movement/positions do you think have we lost or screwed up due to our sedentary lifestyle?

      [–]gerbil-ear 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (13子コメント)

      Who inspires / motivates Ido Portal?

      [–]IdoPortalCan Go Fuck A Duck[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (9子コメント)

      I rarely get inspired by the people of my own field. I used to but it stopped somewhere along the journey. Nowadays I am inspired by people in other fields, some of them are practically unknown and dont publish anything or dont publish anything in English, others are more known but out of the realm of fitness for example. Lately a lot of inspiration and communication with professional dancers, thinkers like Nassim Taleb, Zizek, Kahneman, founders of disciplines and schools of thought relating movement like Feldenkrais, (not a fan of his method as practiced nowadays though) Alexander and martial artists from the traditional&modern school as well as some sweet science masters.

      [–]BWFreak 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

      I see you left out Chris Sommer. Why did you have a falling out with him?

      [–]monsunland 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      It is incredible that Ido does not accredit Sommer. And Sommer trained Sapinoso too but everyone probably assumes Ido did.

      [–]Joshua_NatermanThe Artist Formerly Known As "Slizzardman" 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Don't say that in public, you'll probably get permabanned from Ido's circles :P

      The truth is less important than the myth/legend/company line. rolls eyes

      [–]Joshua_NatermanThe Artist Formerly Known As "Slizzardman" 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Do share.

      [–]mk0r 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Ido, I am interested in your perspective on indications and protocols for aerobic and endurance training.

      Under what circumstances do you recommend for movers to develop an 'aerobic base’ (whatever that means) to support recovery and movement endurance?

      How do you conceptualize/categorize what we normally refer to as cardio or energy systems training?

      Which endurance training periodization protocols, and what modalities (e.g. running, sprinting, other locomotive patterns, strongman type training, floreio) do you find effective? What are the best sources of knowledge for learning about the ‘energy systems development’ aspect of S&C?

      Do you recommend training for endurance exclusively through drilling skills in one's current movement discipline e.g. parkour, rock climbing, BJJ drills? Or are there cases where an individual may benefit from aerobic/endurance training using generalized and less technical means and methods such as running, rowing, skipping rope, weighted carries, etc.?

      What metrics (resting heart rate, heart rate recovery after a certain effort, 5k time, etc.) are worth tracking for the generalist mover to optimize cardio/metabolic development? Are there benchmarks for such metrics analogous to, say, a double bodyweight squat?

      [–]161803398874989Mean Mod 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      IIRC you believe that training the straight-arm ring statics has no benefit for general movement practice. But where do you feel is this point with lower body strength? Bodyweight snatch? 2.5xBW deadlift?

      [–]IdoPortalCan Go Fuck A Duck[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Changes between individuals. Some dont ever need to do any strength training whatsoever to their lower bodies and will remain explosive, fast and elastic (common among track and field talented freaks) while others will need to work their ass off all their lives to gain the freedom to jump, run, explode and move pain free. All context related. Rarely do I see the need to exceed a 2X BW High Bar BSQ with generalist movers. Rarely does it provide any further benefit, especially considering the heavy price - time, risk of injury when working so heavy, increase in bodyweight, and more and more.

      [–]red1392 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Do you have 'target' weights for cleans/snatches as well? Does it depend on the person you're training and their personal goals?

      [–]ezkaton999 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      If he says you should have a 2xbw high bar squat then you should be hitting about a 1.5-1.6 times bw clean and jerk and a 1.15-1.23 times bw Snatch if your technique is proficient. This isn't based upon anything Ido has said, but comes from what is the norm in Olympic weightlifting. Ido might say it's alright to be a bit lower because those numbers are for a pretty good lifter with above average form.

      [–]draffw 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Based on your 30 day challenges, I deduct that hanging and the squat are 2 moves that you consider as "fundamental" movements. Are there any other that you think are very important?

      [–]Awarenesss 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      • In regards to any specific movement type, what is your favorite book?

      Thanks for doing this, keep up the great work.

      [–]heavehou77 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Will the old forums be revived? Or at least an archive provided? There was a lot of great information in there before your new site launched that I wish I had saved.

      [–]InfinitePatterns 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Ido,

      First of all i want to thank you for opening my eyes to movement. Your message completely changed the way i see and interact with myself and my environment physically. It has opened up a whole new world that wasn't visible from where i was standing.

      I was hoping you could expand on how you view movement beyond just the "showy" pieces (like handbalancing, gymnastics, martial arts, dance, etc.) and give a deeper explanation of your philosophy in regards to the small daily movements we go through unconsciously. At the core of your philosophy what is it that you are trying to convey, discover, or share at this level?

      Also...What is your experience/outlook on the mind-body connection with regards to things like flexibility? How important is training the mind as is training the body or are the 2 co-dependent?

      [–]rogueoperative 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Do you feel any obligation to the millions out there that have forgotten how to move?

      I love natural movement and I'm passionate about the different forms of movement I train in, but it's difficult to communicate that passion in a way that doesn't overwhelm the majority of people I interact with. I don't have a particularly strong personality, but I try to speak with enthusiasm and approachability. Unfortunately, all people tend to see are the end results of years of training and decide it's unreachable for them. This obviously isn't universal and I've built a large group of friends who have jumped into climbing and parkour and bodyweight training as result, but I'm losing more people than I'm winning over. Realistically, this is not my cross my bear - people can choose to move or they can choose to be stagnant - but I always feel like I could be doing more. Does that translate similarly for you through your training and life or have you come to peace with it?

      [–]sirchro 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      As many of us in the 21st century, my hamstrings are very tight. I've been stretching for a few months now and it seems I've made very little progress. What exercise/routine would you recommend for achieving flexible hamstrings?

      [–]IdoPortalCan Go Fuck A Duck[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      One Leg Good Morning with locked knee (if can be done pain free and no IT band issues) and neutral spine. Thats where you should start. For more - come see us address these question taking 12 hours of in depth instruction in our Corset workshop.

      [–]reynolds1 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Who are/were your mentors and what is an important lesson you learned from each of them?

      [–]IdoPortalCan Go Fuck A Duck[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      My biggest influences: 1. My mom - Haviva Portal. 2. My early Hung Gar childhood teacher - Udi Raanan. 3. My first Capoeira teacher - Paulo Caliman. 4. My second and only Capoeira teacher - Edan Hararri. 5. Charles Poliquin in the field of s&c. 6. My ex girlfriend and professional dancer Shai Faran. 7. My good friend Yuri Ravitz- an ex Belorussian gymnast and great teacher who took me through gymnastics work. 8. My handbalancing teachers and friends - Claude Victoria, Yuval Ayalon, Yuval Oz -who shared with me knowledge in the beginning of my journey. 9. My close students - who continue to inspire me and teach me - Odelia, John, Roye, Memada, Stas, Joseph, Soisci and more and more. Sorry for those left unmentioned- its just a quick list off the top of my head. 10. The way.

      [–]monsunland 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Sorry for those left unmentioned

      ...Sommer...

      [–]heavybones 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Yo, Ido! What are your top 10 albums? Based on your videos, you have good taste.

      [–]IdoPortalCan Go Fuck A Duck[S] 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      All 10 of them will be Tom Waits. At 30 we start having other musicians and bands.

      [–]pregnantnun 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (43子コメント)

      Hello Ido,

      I'm a long time lurker on your old blog/forum/fb page, but only recently had the opportunity to visit one of your workshops (corset at cph). The info presented there was priceless, you changed my views on a lot of things, thanks for the experience! I had a lot of questions beforehand and many of them got answered, but only to raise even more. Sooo... its gonna be long, sorry! :-) Here comes the questions part:

      1. Scheduling/periodization (regarding strength training and stretching) - I was really hoping for a bit more info on it at the corset as it was just very-very briefly mentioned during the workshop. This topic is a huge mistery to me, there are just so many contradicting opinions about it and given its nature it is really hard to experiment with them (I don't live long enough to try all the revolutionary theories and compare the results). Can you share a bit of your experience? Or rather can you point me towards some reliable sources where I can learn more about it? (as I'm sure this question is out of the scope of an internet forum post)

      2. You talked about using barefoot/minimalistic shoes for movement practice. What about climbing? Do you use climbing shoes? Are they beneficial/harmful in your point of view? I tried some outdoor bouldering barefoot, it turned out to be great fun, though very simple routes became extremely hard/painful/impossible. Also as I see indoor gym routes are set by people using climbing shoes for people using climbing shoes, so nowadays the whole climbing community is 100% dependent on using them.

      3. Talking about climbing: indoor/outdoor bouldering/toprope/leading/trad? What do you practice, what are your thoughts about them as a generalist mover?

      4. A few times you mentioned meditation in your posts, could you recommend a practical school/method that is free of new age hocus-pocus, ponzi schemes and sci-fi deities?

      5. "Not convinced this skill (The Manna) is attainable with my structure nor have I ever seen one performed by a person who achieved it as an adult." Is this statement still true? What did you find to be the limiting factor? Is it your proportions or your previous shoulder injuries? Do you still think it to be a good goal to work for or do you classify it as one of "the price to pay to achieve it is too high" movements like the iron cross? Whats bugging me about this skill is that Coach Sommer claims to have taught it to adults (maybe with prior gymnastic training?), he even classifies it as basic strength in his programs (which targets adults with zero gymnastic training). I know that you two worked together in the past and it is just strange to learn that you have so different opinions regarding this pose.

      6. Corset handout title page says "workshop A - beginner" - is there a workshop B? corset2? intermediate? advanced? Is it open to the public?

      7. Here and there you dropped a few cues about some really interesting stuff that you are experimenting with. (like researching the ways of moving fast, effects of shaking etc.) These things sound really exciting, I would love to engage in stuff like that and learn more about them. Do you share these only with your staff or is it available to the public in some form?

      8. Once you had a nice post where you gave credit to your most influental teachers. As I know you are a bit of a bookworm, how about a list of the most important books you've ever read? (yes, I'm shamelessly asking you to put together my christmas wishlist ;-) )

      9. Bonus question: what the hell happened with cdo in israel? I mean: if you could in a few words (or pages ;-) ) sum up Mestre Edan's secret ingredient to building a 15k group (in a country with only 8 million residents)... Its just beyond me... As far as I know you've played a significant role in laying the foundations. You guys did something good, something different, but so far no one could tell me what was it...

      That's all for now, thanks for your time you put into this AMA, I really-really appreciate it!

      PS: Good to see you blogging again. Awesome material!

      [–]ChridsdudeHigh Mod 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      I'll try to take the load off Ido by answering #4, cause it's not necessarily specific to him/personal.

      I recall that with just a quick scroll of r/meditation's FAQ you'll find an answer to the exact question. Personally I would suggest going to YouTube and looking up "Sam Harris guided meditation" and picking the longer version of the main two that show up.

      It's 30 min, but I promise that if you put even the slightest effort into it you'll learn a lot about how the thinking mind works and you'll be significantly more equipped to deal with life than if you did otherwise. Even if you only do it once a year you'll be better off than half the population trust me :p

      [–]birdman7260Climbing 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

      In regards to number 2, without climbing shoes you you vastly restrict the movements that you are capable of doing. I think you would not gain much from not wearing them and for someone that is obsessed with movement, I feel Ido would suggest that you wear them

      [–]MovementArtist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (29子コメント)

      In regards to 5.

      Not true. Daniel Burnham learned a manna. He started at age 21 and is now 24.

      Check out the "iron cross is bad for you gymnasticbodies thread"

      FWIW, you'll just get the same response from him. I've seen people ask this before in the comments section before on facebook and he uses copypasta.

      [–]pregnantnun 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (27子コメント)

      Thanks, so it's not true, it can be achieved. Do you know where Daniel started from? Any previous gymnastic training? Still, if one person managed to learn this trait out of hundreds (thousands? - I don't know how popular is GB) - I would not consider it as basic strength element. The iron cross thread is a good read. :-) I found Joshua's answer about what is considered a ring specialist really insightful. On the other hand afaik GB forums are heavily moderated, so there's no place for real discussion, you can only hear the echoes of Coach Sommers opinion. I guess I found a sensitive topic here. Two well respected, very popular, very straightforward teachers and one of them is apparently wrong. It would be great to see some constructive debate instead of the usual flame war. Or am I hoping too much?

      [–]Joshua_NatermanThe Artist Formerly Known As "Slizzardman" 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (14子コメント)

      Gb is heavily moderated now if you are going against the business model or want to do anything that's not strictly in the program design. This changes the tone of the site, but it's not necessarily bad in all ways.

      I don't like it because I cannot explain things in a purely scientific manner. In order to get something approved it has to be in line with the GB Way, which is not always consistent with human physiology. I caught a lot of flak for simply explaining why a 12 week cycle is a suggestion, and is not really the best way to go about developing a 60s or 60 rep skill as prescribed. I explained the physiology and alternative ways to approach the template that don't disregard it, but put it into context as a helpful guide rather than The Bible Itself.

      For that I got heavily censored. That's one small example. It was impossible to keep up in real time with the community, and I was even blocked from congratulating Allan on his performances or complimenting Coach on his work with Allan. In short, my voice itself was the subject of very heavy control. That makes things personal, not professional, but think about this: I spoke with the same degree of authority as Coach did. You can't have mixed messages like that. It was simply time for me to move on, and so I have.

      Because Coach's business model is based around being strictly GB and not branching out too far from the core programming or wasting resources adapting programming for other sports or for hybrid goals, those discussions are pretty much nonexistent these days.

      However, that does allow a very strict focus on the program itself and how to progress, which is a good thing for their model.

      Again, even though I am not personally happy with the way things have changed I recognize why it is considered to be a good change from Coach's perspective. In the end, his business's growth will determine whether or not it was a good idea, and I think we will all see GB continue to grow for a long, long time, so it's probably not bad. Just different.

      Those of us who don't like it are free to do our own thing and start our own schools of instruction, complete with more inclusive communities.

      [–]MrJurre 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

      This pissed me off big time. Being on a moderator queue, it's terrible. Shame there is no good alternative (as far as I know).

      [–]Joshua_NatermanThe Artist Formerly Known As "Slizzardman" 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

      I did it for a year, because I loved the community, but things eventually got too extreme even for me. I am inordinately tolerant compared to most people.

      The attempt to illegally claim sole copyright, which showed up about a week after my last post there as far as I can tell, was what made me leave. I won't be a part of illegal shit like that. You can't take copyright AWAY from anyone without a contract that includes paying them as a contract employee for that work specifically. You can absolutely claim royalty-free license to use all posts in your forum as you see fit, but you can't just take copyright away from the poster bar none. That requires a specific legal arrangement of contract pay.

      I just won't be a part of that kind of business.

      [–]Joshua_NatermanThe Artist Formerly Known As "Slizzardman" 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Obviously nothing like that can be retroactive, either. You cannot claim rights to past works that were not your own.

      [–]MrJurre 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Yeah it´s a shame really. I sometimes tried to show different opinions, but they just won´t let me post it. There is a lot of good knowledge on that forum, which is why i´m still there. But there just isn´t a discussion possible, it´s all the gymnasticbodies way.

      Haven´t heard anything about copyright shit. But it doesn´t surprise me one bit to be honest.

      [–]Joshua_NatermanThe Artist Formerly Known As "Slizzardman" 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      You won't, it isn't obvious until you go to the new membership page. Pretend like you're signing up for the first time and see what it shows you.

      To be fair, having things teh GB way or the GB way, with no in-between, is a great way to stay focused. I don't have any hate for them, it's just not for me anymore. I know a lot of the behind-the-scene stuff with a lot of people, and I'll obviously not ever talk about who or what but I see what is happening. They are staking out their territory and letting people know how things are going to be: You can't do other things and also be a major part of GB.

      I don't want to sound like I approve, but I do understand. I would not do things that way, which may mean that I am not ever as successful as they are, but that's fine with me.

      Personal connections are more important to me than the money, but I will probably have to be reminded of that at some point if what I decide to do ends up taking off to anywhere near the same degree.

      I just hope people have the balls to tell me that I need to remember who I am supposed to be if I ever start to go the same direction, because that is not who I want to be. I don't plan on it, but you never know.

      [–]MrJurre 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      I get the focused point. But the forum for me was never about the foundation courses (I don't even own them) but for discussion about gymnastic strength training. Therefor I came in with wrong expectations.

      Really hope there will pop up another forum on GST without a product in it's center.

      With all that said, I still frequently get on the forum for advice. For someone like me, who doesn't have too much knowledge on the subject I feel it's the best forum online.

      [–]Joshua_NatermanThe Artist Formerly Known As "Slizzardman" 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      I hear you. We are working on that. GB will always be one of the go-to places, they really do have excellent people there and excellent training. I don't see that changing.

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        [–]ryti1190 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (11子コメント)

        You should ask /u/Joshua_Naterman. He'll have a field day with you. Otherwise check out this thread where he trash talks OG and ctrl+f Daniel.

        [–]Joshua_NatermanThe Artist Formerly Known As "Slizzardman" 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        We can just do that in this subthread, or someone can start a subthread. I'm not familiar enough with reddit yet to know how to do all that.

        The short answer is that Ido left GB and his focus on gymnastic strength training in search of other goals. I think he has always had more of a love for 'movement' than strict gymnastic strength, which is own words seem to suggest, but he can confirm or deny that himself.

        He left without going very far in the Manna progressions or the more advanced straight arm strength, and perhaps there have been injuries since them that have kept him from going further. I've certainly had my share. However, he doesn't really KNOW what's possible there, he only knows what he has experienced and what his students have experienced. Ido's not a go-to guy for gymnastic strength training beyond an intermediate point, and that's a fact. It isn't his focus, he has basically said as much right here in this AMA. Ido does not know what is possible with Manna. To be honest, we are all still learning, but Ido has no experience with how to teach it successfully. Daniel does, and passed on what worked for him to Coach Sommer, so GB knows as well now.

        I met daniel via a PM on GB asking if I could help him fix his form, he was having issues with basic ring supports and muscle ups. Beginner stuff. He was not a weakling, but he was not naturally gifted with strength either. Very average, skinny white guy. He never possessed any meaningful upper body strength before I met him, which was soon after he started GB. So I went over, helped him get on track, and we got along. We became friends as well as training partners and today I consider him a very good friend.

        I watched daniel through his progression in GST, and several things stood out:

        1) We worked together on his nutrition and made sure it was getting dialed in. Feeding during the workout with carbs makes a huge difference. He also found that adding some coconut oil at the beginning seemed to help in addition to the carbs, but on its own it was not good enough.

        Daniel was very into learning more about nutrition, and he did. He introduced me to a few new things, like bone broth, which are now an integral part of how I eat. That's the great thing about working with people who are highly intelligent and also have an excellent understanding of what good science is: you learn and grow together.

        2) He was very dedicated. He showed up to the gym 4-5 days per week and trained for several hours. He did his strength and conditioning first, and then worked on beginner skills. This had a lot to do with his progress in planche, for sure, but I don't think it had much of anything to do with Manna because it is just so very different from all other gymnastic movements (and human movements in general).

        Daniel actually invented the key drill that he credits with getting him past horizontal MSH. I had nothing to do with that, he's a smart guy. Coach now has that in his program.

        Daniel is also 5'9 and ~145 lbs with a relatively small frame. He's got fairly good proportions for gymnastics and isn't terribly heavy, and is naturally flexible.

        In a year and a half Daniel completed everything through F3 and was quite a ways through F4 in several of the 7 fundamental exercises.

        I helped him with fixing a few aspects of his handstand, and he taught himself handstand presses with tips from Yuri Marmerstein (an excellent handbalancer and teacher who does not have a big ego but DOES currently have a huge beard). I also helped with certain aspects of learning muscle activation during hip range of motion work and planche scapular stability, but Daniel did all the work.

        He has become an excellent instructor in his own right, and that's a hell of a thing to be able to say from my perspective.

        [–]Joshua_NatermanThe Artist Formerly Known As "Slizzardman" 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

        OG has its fair share of flaws, and some of them are serious. However, it's certainly an entertaining read and has a great, great title. It also has a reasonable amount of solid information.

        I am not personally a fan of books where you can't tell what's good advice and what's bad, what's proven vs. what's a guess, or what was seems to have been made up on the fly (like the eccentric tables). I was never able to find any kind of peer-reviewed data that even suggested any such equivalency could be made, much less any way to quantify it.

        To me, that's just sensationalism and snake oil training, and it shows just how far outside his area of expertise the author went.

        In the end though, none of that matters as much as how much money the book made the author and what the readers have taken away from it. It was popular, and seems to still be pretty popular. That's a marketing victory, and in business that's what you need.

        As an honest to god training guide it is like a 6 our of 10 for the specific physical progressions (good logic, but no pictures and no proof of the more advanced progressions leading to real skills in real people) and I can't even rate the other parts higher than a 4 because of the degree of inaccuracy in a number of areas.

        I hate to say that, because I've got nothing against Steven Low (sp?) as a person, but facts are facts. If I had written that thing years ago, I would tell you the exact same thing about it today.

        That's my opinion. Everyone else in the world is perfectly within their rights to disagree and drown it out.

        [–]eshlowAuthor of Overcoming Gravity 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

        I'm writing a book about training based on what I've experienced works: if we're talking about eccentrics. If this is one of the critiques I'm OK with that since there are, to my awareness, any detailed studies on isometrics either.

        I can't even rate the other parts higher than a 4 because of the degree of inaccuracy in a number of areas.

        If we're talking about other information I'd like to see where you disagreed so I can fix it if there is scientific evidence to support the contrary.

        [–]Joshua_NatermanThe Artist Formerly Known As "Slizzardman" 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

        If you want to hire me to do that, we can discuss rates. That's a big job, you're talking about a huge book.

        [–]Joshua_NatermanThe Artist Formerly Known As "Slizzardman" 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

        Bump. If you're serious about making positive changes, let me know.

        [–]161803398874989Mean Mod 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Protip: there's no bumping on Reddit.

        Also I doubt Steve will take you up on your offer. You basically said: "There's a lot wrong with your book" and then when asked what that was, you said "You should pay me." That's kind of a dick move.

        Not saying you're a dick (absolutely not), but that's rather Ido-esque.

        [–]ChridsdudeHigh Mod 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (9子コメント)

        You ever played Portal?

        But seriously though... What's your take on laughing? Or all face exercises for that matter?

        I can't go more than 3 minutes of forced (albeit natural feeling) laughter without feeling fatigue/twitching in my eye area. That's the point I consider I've gotten to failure and rest. I only do it maybe once a week but I've already noticed some progress in terms of strength. The main areas are abs, (diaphragm and "inner abs" I believe) mouth, and eyes. At first my abs and mouth (you know the part where you smile like a madman) were the first things to give out but now it's only ever my eyes. Might I add It really creeps up on you since you don't usually feel those tiny muscles.

        Usually after doing some lighter training of that sort (1min crazy person 1min rest) for just 20min+ I feel way more comfortable laughing and smiling while socializing or reading r/funny. Might I ALSO add it brings down stress a shit-ton, and it's kinda fun and "charisma building" when done in front of a mirror.

        I'm wondering what you think about all this and if you'd be willing to experiment on it as if it was part of your routine. I know it may sound strange but it's a type of meditation practiced by a lot of people and rather than it being useless I think it's simply underrated. After a short warmup the laughing starts feeling effortless and the results (to me) are so profound that I'm seriously proposing suicide hotlines try suggesting it to callers every once in a while when serious rapport has been built.

        You can even do it outside or at the gym for kicks! caution

        [–]Gurei 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

        Aw man, now I just feel silly.. But seriously though, practicing breathing with my transverse abs on a daily basis really helped me deal with my 'distended/protruding gut' and keep a good posture.

        [–]indoninja 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Care to elaborate on how you do that?

        [–]ThunderCuntylicious 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Try whispering "hello" when breathing(in and out) while you hold your hands on the side of your lower ribs. If you are anything like me you will feel the difference right away when your ribs expand.

        *edit: In yoga it is called the Udjiana-breath(or something similar).

        [–]Gurei 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Sure!

        Well, first you gotta learn how to use your transverse abs (TA, henceforth) to breath. Can you move your bellybutton towards your spine? Good, that's how you exhale with your TA. Now, here's what I did:

        1) Stomach vacuums. There are basically two kinds of vacuums I'm aware off, but only one of them seemed to really help. You can do this on all fours, or support your hands on your thighs or on a stool about knee high. From this position, let your stomach hang. Now, strongly contract the TA in order to forcefully exhale all the air from your lungs. Also while doing this, contract your glutes, your pelvic-floor muscles and your ribs muscles. Most of the time, I exhale through my mouth while doing this. Hold this position for about approximately 10 secs. Relax as you inhale. Now, to make this really effective, you gotta do it a lot. Think about '10 reps, holding 10 secs, 10 times per day'. This isn't a magic number, it's just to give you an idea of how much volume you may need.

        2) Breathing manually with my TA throughout the day. While walking, on the bus, riding my bicycle, on the shower, whenever you can pay attention to breathing manually. Sometimes forcefully exhaling (and contracting everything), sometimes just lightly contracting the TA and most of the time, exhaling through my nose. Kinda annoying sometimes but keeping the TA 'engaged' during the whole day really helped putting it back in place.

        [–]indoninja 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        So in laymans terms breathing by expanding the 'stomach' vice chest?

        [–]Gurei 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Breath using the 'stomach', yes. Inhale by expanding, and most importantly, exhale by contracting.

        [–]indoninja 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Cool, thanks.

        [–]-_x 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        it's a type of meditation practiced by a lot of people and rather than it being useless I think it's simply underrated.

        probably the best idea I ever picked up from Alan Watts: "Let's all just laugh!"

        [–]Snowspire 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        What is your preferred method for developing flexibility (especially gymnastic front splits) for someone who is not even able to get into a certain position through passive flexibility, let alone active flexibility? How does one goes about stretching for optimal results?

        [–]IdoPortalCan Go Fuck A Duck[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        My own approach Loaded Progressive Stretching as taught in our Corset protocols workshops is the best I know of, or else I would have updated it... Of course I stand on the shoulders of giants, read a ton of PNF work, Thomas Kurz and studied Yoga, Ballet, martial arts and gymnastics approaches to stretching as well.

        [–]ShrimShrim 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Ido, do you count calories if you're looking to gain, lose, or maintain weight? besides primal eating, how do you monitor the quantity you eat?

        [–]AntranikNice Mod 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        [–]ShrimShrim 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Thanks. This doesn't really get to my question, however. I want to know if he tracks calories, and how he adds/subtracts based on training. He says he eats a fist portion of meat with every meal. How many meals is that?

        [–]Exodus111 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Aww, no reddit AMA?

        What a shame, facebook is a fucking mess and not the right venue for something like that.

        [–]IdoPortalCan Go Fuck A Duck[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I don't. This concept is not a very human concept. Most chances - you would ultimately fail with it. Approach it differently is my suggestion.

        [–]indoninja 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Shalom Ido, just want to say thanks for your videos. They have inspired me to try some things I the fitness, or more appropriately, movement world that I might have otherwise ignored.

        Have you ever had students that weren't progressing that made you change you process for teaching?

        [–]Joe_Gebele 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Ido, I first want to thank you for all that you put together on movement. I was fascinated by physical training and strength since a toddler and finally found what I am looking for. Just from some of the videos you have on YouTube and the Facebook page, I can hold a 60s straight body handstand and do several strict muscle-ups on the rings.

        Now I completely understand movement is a huge topic that has many entry points but when deciding what is truly important; what do you recommend for getting the most bang for buck? Sometimes I feel lost with such a huge thing that I don't know where to start. Also, how do you like to structure a movement based routine?

        Last and probably the most important question, who are your inspirations and mentors?

        P.S. I just turned 17 and I'm saving up for a workshop. Is there anything I should work on now specifically before a workshop?

        [–]alpineliamClimbing 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Hey Joe, just in case Ido doesn't get back to you on this he posted here regarding his main inspirations. /u/Antranik has put together a collection of Ido's video footage here entitled The Floreio Project. I'd suggest that as being a pretty good place to start along with a strength based routine.

        [–]porkburp 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Hey Ido. Thanks for taking some time to do this AMA.

        I'm not totally familiar with the Method, but from what I've seen there's a lot of stuff that goes into it. Gymnastic stuff - straight-arm strength, bent-arm strength, ring work; capoeira movements; quadrupedal movement; dance stuff; acrobatics; bodyweight leg training; barbell leg training; squatting and hanging; plyometrics; flexibility. And I'm sure there's plenty more...

        Given the fact that there's so many (ahem) moving parts, can you give us some insight in to how you might structure a day or week of workouts? Do all of the different movements and modalities get trained all the time, or do you sort of break them up into different cycles? E.g., for a "leg day" would you do Olympic lifting, powerlifting, unilateral stuff, jumping, sprinting, and acrobatics all in one session or what?

        That's my big one, but here's a few others:

        • Getting into side splits - do you heel-toe your way out into them or slide your feet or what?
        • What is the best way to increase your max hold time for a dead hang? I can hang for a minute, minute and a half, somewhere in there; can't seem to get past 1:30.
        • You get into a handstand, you mess up and you're going to fall on your head. What are some ways to safely bail out of a failed handstand?
        • Given the choice, would you rather fight 1 horse-sized duck or 100 duck-sized horses?

        Thanks Ido.

        [–]sirchro 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        • If you had to choose 3, which would you say are the exercises/skills/abilities that will have the greatest benefit on the rest of your routine?
        • Besides frequently practicing, what are the best tips you can give for landing freestanding handstands?

        [–]lonelyvirgil 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        What do you think of the Russian street workout scene? Do you think they will progress beyond olympic ringmen in terms of strength on individual elements?

        [–]TheFreakWinger 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I would also like to know, I have seen, with my own eyes, one arm front lever pull up and one arm one finger front lever pull up, what is happening, please.

        [–]alpineliamClimbing 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        That's insane....

        [–]embrace_the_martian 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Hi Ido!

        Just a couple of questions. In one of your recent interviews I remember you mentioning that you’ll choose a particular subject to be your main research focus for a period of time. And at the time you said you were focusing on moving quickly. Not just sprinting, but being fast. That was really interesting to think about, and I was wondering if you could elaborate a bit on what you’ve found. Any cool insights or additions to your training? Maybe any books or websites you might recommend to read up more on it?

        And a non-fitness related question – you get to travel pretty extensively with your work, what are some your favorite foods from around the world?

        [–]IdoPortalCan Go Fuck A Duck[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        I am still in research mode about this subject and I can tell you this, without any hidden agenda: the discoveries I've made into the subject have completely overwhelmed me. I mean - unlike anything else in the last 10 years.

        I will reveal this in due time but right now - I am just scratching the surface. Stay tuned.

        [–]orealy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Very exciting. I'm attending one of your workshops in December; any chance you'll be ready to sharing your findings by then?

        [–]sweetandsoursnatch 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I'm curious about what some of the disciplines you are investigating for this? It would be interesting to look at something like a guitarists speed picking

        [–]BWFreak 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (7子コメント)

        What are your thoughts on this negative review on you for online coaching:

        Hi, I thought for the sake of balance it was time that someone that has had a negative experience with Ido put something out there. I was also a fan of Ido and his impressive feats of bodyweight strength also his no nonsense approach. Before I start let me give you some background on me I have been training with traditional weights for a long time and had achieved reasonably impressive results Im 5 10' and have weighed in at 90kg with 6% bodyfat so I understand training and also hard work. However the type of training that I did also brought with it a range of problems to quote Ido himself a BMW body with a volkswagen's performance. Extremely tight hips, tight shoulders and a range of other mobility issues. A year or two ago I started moving slowly to more bodyweight orientated training after seeing some videos of hannibal for king and finding the website gymnastics bodies. I started messing around mostly with no clear understanding of what I was doing. After stagnating and becoming frustrated with the lack of resources available that were individually tailored I finally decided to bite the bullet and fork over the money to try Ido's 1 on 1 online coaching. As I said earlier Ido is in fantastic shape and has some amazing marketing abilities but his online coaching was probably the greatest waste of money I have ever spent in my life. To start with for $1000 you don't even get an individually tailored program I bet I could post my program and It would look exactly the same as the guy who gave it a positive review. To highlight this fact I explained in detail my lack of shoulder flexibility prior to starting what was to be my first 6 week program. Included in that first program was a elevated bridge, no progressions no specific shoulder stretches just 5 sets of 30s bridges, as though he hadn't even read my email. Also when he sends you your first program he dosen't even send videos of the specific moves he has precribed. You have to go and try and find them yourself on youtube. He has plenty of time to film himself doing one arm handstands but no time to film himself doing examples of the exercises he has prescribed to people who have paid him $1000. You then film your exercises he gets back with a few one line responses to them and that's supposedly it until the 6 week mark. I can honestly say the effort he would have given my initial program would have been perhaps 10 mins. After questioning him on some of the above issues you are made to feel as though you are weak and he could barely be bothered responding to your question. I eventually just gave up and notched it up to experience. He even boasts about the fact that people pay him this ludicrous sums of money and then just disappear, well we disappear because we feel ripped off and what course of redress to we have because we have paid up front. Im not sure there are many coaches out there who are proud of the amount of people who are so dissatisfied they give up $1000. I am tired of hearing all the bullshit about how he is too busy to respond to emails yet he constantly is telling people how he trains 6 hours a day. Well he can train 6 hours a day because he gets suckers to pay him $1000 and then makes them feel bad if they expect any of his time, and ridicules anybody as being weak if they can't do what he does. I have read alot of his work he has also previously stated that online coaching is rubbish yet again he is happy to do it and willing to take your money. I also love the fact that every so often he takes somebody who was a stuntman, or an acrobat and brags how they have progressed so far with him. If he is so sure about his methods why not offer a money back guarantee perhaps because so many people would ask for their money back he wouldn't have time to train 6 hours a day anymore. I will let everybody make up their own mind but here is a summary of the facts. For $1000 up front you get 2 generic cookie cutter programs of which you have to find video's and descriptions of the exercises yourself online, you get an initial email with your programming as well as a review on the videos you submit. Then at 6 weeks you get another program and another review. At most I would guess he spends an hour of his time on you and that is being generous. $1000 an hour is pretty good money to pay someone who reckons there too busy too answer questions. If people are really interested in bodyweight training then there best bet is to go and look at the resources available on gymnasticsbodies.com. Christopher Sommer is where Ido got most of his ideas from anyway and for a fraction of the cost you will get much more in depth information as to how to progress towards your goals and a community who is supportive of you no matter where you lie in terms of your performance.

        [–]Joshua_NatermanThe Artist Formerly Known As "Slizzardman" 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Maybe that's the first public review that's negative, but that is not a unique experience.

        There are also a fair number of people who have gotten hurt from being prescribed excessive volume in OAC negatives.

        You talk to enough people in the bodyweight and gymnastic strength communities and you'll start running into them.

        I'm not saying Ido doesn't know a lot of things, but too many people get hurt and he charges WAY too much for what he gives.

        [–]Exodus111 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Hey Ido, do you still enter the Roda from time to time?
        Axé from Norway.

        [–]smokemcmirror 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Hello Ido & team!

        Here are my questions:

        Can you share some general guidelines in order to overcome plateaus while training for the planche and front lever?

        What did you learn with Charles Poliquin that you still use to this day?

        What do you think of riding a bicycle everyday as a means of transportation and how this impact the human body in terms of movement?

        Ah, and is "Portal" really your surname?

        Thanks for doing this!

        [–]IdoPortalCan Go Fuck A Duck[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        1. Figure out the weak link - get that better = improve the whole chain. Most people are completely off with their assumptions or understanding of the functional anatomy. For example the common recommendation is to strengthen the protraction of the shoulder blades or the delts. I invite you to see completely retracted planches done all over YouTube or to realize that the delts are much more powerful than other weak muscles involved in the feat. Just some things to think about.
        2. I learned from charles a lot - great thinker. I still use his ideas of manipulating sets and reps, periodization and even some of my adaptations to his structural balance ideas. Revolutionary man!
        3. No problem. Ride along.
        4. I was born as Ido Bartholomew Nataniel Portal but only use the first and last names. JUST KIDDING.

        [–]B32DB08170 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I remember in your interview with RawBrahs that humans would interact with eachother as two dogs would. They would move/size each other up and perform what would seem like a dance of sorts.

        Would you consider breakdancing to be close to this? I have trained in gymnastics and rock climbing, and I find breakdancing to be one of the best artistic and atheletic displays of human prowess. I think the dance competitions that people have are similar to this interaction you breifly described.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmcRZICxU4g

        What do you think of it?

        [–]TheDude1985 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Would you ever try out for one of those ninja warrior shows?

        [–]IdoPortalCan Go Fuck A Duck[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Would be fun to try but I dont think I would do too well, my friend.

        [–]deficient_hominid 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (8子コメント)

        Hello Ido, wanted to know if your stance has changed regarding vegan/vegetarian diets?

        Not vegan myself.

        [–]red1392 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Probably the greatest Olympic weightlifter right now, Ilya Ilin, has been a vegetarian for about a year now I believe. Certainly hasn't slowed him down.

        What's interesting is that he was on an extended break from lifting when he decided to make this change, weighed around 85-90kg and was lifting pretty low numbers for a lifter of his caliber. Now he's built back up to around 113kg and putting up monstrous numbers. If he keeps this up he'll take 105 Gold at Rio easily.

        [–]Joshua_NatermanThe Artist Formerly Known As "Slizzardman" 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Vegetarians can get what they need to compete at the highest levels, they just need to consume 10-20% more protein if it's all plant and supplement with the vitamins and minerals that are primarily found in animals.

        It takes a little extra planning, that's all.

        [–]LaManoDeDios 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Another example is Patrik Baboumian, who has been vegetarian since 2005 and vegan since 2011.

        I've been vegetarian myself for over 20 years and there are so many misconceptions about vegetarians you hear from non-vegetarians. Apart from people thinking vegetarians can't get as strong as carnivores, another popular belief is that a vegetarian diet is "automagically" healthy, which of course is BS as well.

        Would really like to see an anwser to this question.

        [–]gerbil-ear 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        That video is a little misleading. Tim hasn't been a vegan for long. His foundation was definitely built on a protein rich diet. I remember him from Jump Britain and that was from 2004!

        [–]IdoPortalCan Go Fuck A Duck[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        I am still not a fan of a vegan diet but I'll tell you this, I became even less of a fan of the vegan culture. The most aggressive culture out there, funny enough. But thats fine - I am not made of sugar.

        BTW I have a few videos of athletes with GOLD Olympic medals that eat shit and smoke regularly. True story. Conclusion: Reverse engineering your favorite athlete doesnt work well for designing your dietary approach, nor for designing your training approach.

        [–]phraktureBrusque Mod 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I became even less of a fan of the vegan culture. The most aggressive culture out there, funny enough. But thats fine - I am not made of sugar.

        This is gold.

        [–]Joshua_NatermanThe Artist Formerly Known As "Slizzardman" 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        True statement. I can't say it's representative of all vegans, just as "feminazis" are not representative of all feminists, but there seems to be an awful lot of extremist behavior and rhetoric coming from that corner of the nutritional world.

        [–]pregnantnun 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        TIL: best questions=shortest questions :-(

        [–]red1392 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Coach Sommer has asserted in the past that the 'Ido Portal Method' is "nothing more than the Gymnastics Bodies method with some minor programming adjustments and a few additional materials grafted on" and points to the fact that some of the strongest athletes in your system, namely you and John, were initially GB students for years as evidence.

        From what I have read from your forum/blog posts compared to what I've seen in the GB courses, they seem quite different to me but of course not having attended any of your seminars, my exposure to your current material is quite limited. What would you say separates your two approaches, especially when it comes to training adults in 'Gymnastics' strength?

        Any response to the statement in general?

        Thanks for doing this, and for all the free material you've put out in the past.

        [–]IdoPortalCan Go Fuck A Duck[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Ido answered some of the questions. He is planned answering more in 3-4 days from now. Stay tuned! Roie.

        [–]palmcron 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Thank you for all the answers so far!

        [–]kougaroWeak 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Hello Ido,

        there are a bunch of different training programs available nowadays, yours, gymnastic bodies, golden medal bodies, and probably many others I don't know of.

        What's specific about yours ? How is it better, what do you focus on compared to others ? In the same vein, if you had one advice to give to bodyweight fitness enthusiasts, what would it be ?

        Also, thanks for the great online material that you made, your shoulder and squat routines are awesome!

        [–]MovementArtist 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (23子コメント)

        What are your thoughts on this iron cross thread about you?

        What do you think about this quote Coach Sommer left about you?

        • The blind leading the blind.

        • Ido did indeed have an iron cross. A nice bent arm iron cross.

        • Years ago when he was still training with me, Ido sent me a link to a video of his new iron cross. He had attempted to learn it on his own. He was so proud. My daughter and I sat down to watch it. She was a young gymnast on pre-team at the time, only 5 or 6 yrs old. She was quite excited as Ido had been a guest in our home not long before. On seeing the video the first words out of her mouth were, "Ido's arms are bent. Why are his arms bent?"

        • I jokingly sent my daughter's comment to Ido. He was less than amused. Even then his ego tended to far outstrip his abilities. I however thought it was quite humorous that Ido's error was so glaring that even a child could see it. And her comment was spot on.

        • The bottom line is that Ido had not the slightest clue then on how to properly train straight arm ring strength elements and he has not the slightest clue now. Which is why he not only failed to achieve substantial straight arm ring strength himself, but his students continue to fail to achieve this as well.

        • Ido is entertaining. And irreverent. And he is certainly one of the best at paraphrasing old Bruce Lee writings. But a master of ring strength? Not even close.

        • The other elements are still ring swinging elements that are far beyond Ido's technical abilities. He is merely speaking hypothetically without the benefit of any practical experience.

        Yours in Fitness, Coach Sommer

        [–]smokemcmirror 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (13子コメント)

        On the other side, another thing to keep in mind is how Douche Sommers banned from his forums every single knowledgeable person that didn't used his methods, including Yuri Marmerstein and Kit Laughlin.

        I mean, why the fuck would anyone ban Kit? He's the most amicable and caring guy ever. I used to give Sommers the benefit of doubt before this, and I'm still grateful for everything he put out there regarding gymnastics but this changed how I see him.

        I'd say it's because Sommers is a greedy controlfreak and Kit wants to make knowledge accessible for cheap.

        [–]rocksupreme 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        No comment on Sommer or Ido, but Kit is one of the best people I know. I don't say this lightly.

        [–]orealy 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Agreed. Kit is a high quality human being :).

        [–]mtruelove 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (9子コメント)

        Coach Sommer took down a thread on Ido's hang challenge and messaged people with an explanation; Ido doesn't acknowledge the 6 years he spent with with coach Sommer.

        There's a really good post from Ido's blog back in 2008 where he visited coach Sommer.

        I assume the disagreement with Kit was over S1 as Kit was actively endorsed by Sommer on the forums for a long time. It's a real loss.

        [–]BWFreak 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

        Do you mind taking a screenshot of Sommer's message? When did that happen?

        [–]mtruelove 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

        It was a PM so I don't really want to screen shot it. Happened just after Ido's challenge went up. It was only a few sentences to effect that links to Ido's material isn't welcome on the forum.

        For what it's worth I agree with coach Sommer. However, recommending Kit doesn't seem too controversial and the only thing I can recall is Sommer saying S1 will be superior as it's specific to gymnastics and designed to be integrated with F1 etc.

        [–]BWFreak 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Are there any other details as to why Sommer and Ido had a falling out.

        [–]mtruelove 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Well Sommer trained Ido for 6 years yet on his website there's no mention of him. Think it just rubbed Sommer up the wrong way.

        I've not met either in real life and only got the little insight I have from the forums and the blog I linked.

        [–]Joshua_NatermanThe Artist Formerly Known As "Slizzardman" 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        There's a lot more to it than that, but as curious as everyone is we should all respect their privacy as well.

        [–]mtruelove 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Totally, it's non of my business.

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          [–]mtruelove 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I don't actually know the reason. I think it's a great loss to GB that Kit is banned.

          [–]MovementArtist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yeah that's true. They're both at fault. I used to think Sommer was pretty cool...until he started started throwing around the banhammer.

          [–]Joshua_NatermanThe Artist Formerly Known As "Slizzardman" 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Man, it doesn't get more real than that. No joke.

          [–]IdoPortalCan Go Fuck A Duck[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Guys, dont lower yourselves to yellow garbage. I am sure everyone is mature enough and wise enough to understand there is bitterness talking here. Well, so be it.

          [–]handstandguy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

          Watch the embedded vid and judge for yourself. It's hard to tell because the video quality is pretty bad.

          [–]Joshua_NatermanThe Artist Formerly Known As "Slizzardman" 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Good link. Watch at the 8 second mark and note the slight bend in the elbows even in the support. If you're bent in the support you are almost certain to stay bent the whole way down.

          This is still very strong, but I think Coach is right.

          [–]indoninja 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Am I missing something or is there no video there?

          [–]handstandguy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          if you're on mobile I don't think you can see it. Try on a computer if you can

          [–]indoninja 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I tried on my laptop with Firefox as well, I'll try in a different browser later, thanks.

          [–]Alby0410Equilibre/Handbalancing 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          Your fiorelo movements are meant to develop all sorts of movement paterns and body awareness in a well rounded way. But, from what I've seen you do not include any sort of explosive dynamic movement, everything is done with gentle control. To me this seems like trying to develop proficiency with barbell strength and leaving out any sort of olympic lifting. I'm not accusing you of missing anything; I just want to hear your personal reasons for not including movements such as the aerial, macaco, hook kick, butterfly kick etc.

          [–]pregnantnun 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Have you seen Ido's Corta Capim vid?

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paFCJKPElto

          Or maybe the explosive leg workout?

          http://idoportal.blogspot.hu/2009/08/explosive-leg-workout.html

          These are from his old blog but there is a little bit of airborne acrobatic stuff in this recent clip too:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeAQnYhrolQ

          [–]Alby0410Equilibre/Handbalancing 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Thnanks for that information. But I think my point still stands: in his fiorelo workouts there is no mention of such movements.

          [–]NumenSD 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Big fan for awhile so it'd be great to get a question answered.

          I had a back injury years ago and am having trouble building core strength. Basically broke 3 ribs, damaged muscle and nerve clusters around my shoulder blade. What are the best ways to build core strength in this area?

          [–]cookeydawg 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Hi Ido, I practice capoeira and one of the reasons I feel called to it is its deep connection to history (while it is a relatively young art in comparison with some other movement arts) and the feeling of being part of a culture that spans back several hundred years, one that is rooted in liberation and struggle. With your 'movement culture,' while I do see you borrowing things from some arts that are very old, I don't see this deep ancestral, almost spiritual connection to the past. I was wondering if you miss this side of capoeira? Or if there are any other aspects of capoeira that you miss that are not part of your current practice, as you were a capoeirista for so long?

          Thanks! Will see you in LA next week!

          [–]Necrullz 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          In regards to rotations in to low bridges- I am fine doing them on the wall with great form standing and kneeling next to it, however I cannot seem to effectively transition to the floor fully.

          I can rotate IN to the bridge both sides, but I cannot rotate out of them properly, I must have watched that video 50 times for cues but I believe I may not have the strength to rotate in such a awkward position yet.

          I was wondering if you have another route to which I could tackle this, similar to how there are different approaches to building up to a pistol squat.

          Hope you take the time to answer, and much appreciated,

          Chris.

          [–]AntranikNice Mod 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Do you do the floor bridge slides? Or you cannot get into that? Cause he recommends you slide into the low bridge and push yourself off and hold it for 5sec... and do that several times like a set. (like, say 5x5sec to begin with)

          [–]c2ground 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Hey Ido, I've heard rumors that you will not be in attendance at the Workshop in Los Angeles next weekend. Is this true?

          [–]anactivegrenade 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          What is the best way to integrate bodyweight-movement training with training for absolute strength and power (i.e., deadlifts and powercleans)?

          [–]barna284 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I understand that you make a difference between training and movement. I also know that your online coaching programs are quite intensive, often involving 12-14 hours a week of training or more.

          My question is, do you see a time in the future where the Ido Portal method will be available to people with less time to train (say, 3-5 hours a week), provided they have additional movement outlets during the week. Do you currently see this as a possibility?

          [–]IdoPortalCan Go Fuck A Duck[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Yes, most definitely. We work from the inner circle and out - I've accepted only very close and dedicated students for a while now to built the core of the community but soon more services will be available. Please stay tuned at www.idoportal.com

          [–]161803398874989Mean Mod 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Can you elaborate a bit more on "more services"? Will there be more blog posts like you did for the Hanging Month? A forum with some regular members? Something else?

          [–]shlubbubub 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          What do you think about moving randomly rather than with a schedule? Instead of, for example, pullups three times a week or handbalance 1 hour a day. How about instead to move whenever it occurs to one or there is a desire to move in these patterns? Would this not be a more natural way to move?

          For instance, my dog sprints, jumps, and stretches whenever he feels or has the need to. He doesn't think, "oh, I sprinted a lot yesterday. Do something else today. Oh time for 5 sets of 3 reps of catch the ball." Do you think this approach can work for humans (in the context of a human who desires to move, not a lazy potato who needs motivation even to wash the dishes)

          [–]benclrk[🍰] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Is Ido Portal still going to answer more of these question?

          [–]lPFreeIy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Your AMA sucked, and you suck

          [–]Likemercy 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Hey Ido! I just wanted to say you really inspired me to diversify my fitness plan. I actually stopped lifting weights, added into mobility, and started training bodyweight skills. What do you recommend when it comes to making sure you don't spread yourself too thin? Between overall strength training, extremely specific training (e.g. wrists and ankles), mobility, yoga, tricking, and of course incorporating some Florio, how do you make sure you aren't just spinning your wheels? You recommend against specializing, but I feel spreading out your training too much can cause a lack of progress.

          [–]palmcron 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          What about team sports in movement generalism? Is basketball or soccer no movement?

          [–]IdoPortalCan Go Fuck A Duck[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Of course it is! I used to play soccer semi professionally until I was 16 and Capoeira took me over. Love the ball and think object manipulation and ball skills included in there are essential pieces in a mover's practice. Again - not what you would know from watching my clips, but those are just glimpses and snapshots.

          [–]ChridsdudeHigh Mod 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Either you play sports badly or I don't know what this means. I'm gonna go with the latter... And by this I mean I'll google it to see if I can get a better view.

          [–]palmcron 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Let me try to explain: From what I hear from Ido in interviews, he preaches movement generalism. However from what I see Ido's students do and read about him, his movement universe seems to include stuff like boxing, gymnastics, swimming, martial arts, capoeira, dance and plenty of other stuff. However, I never heard or saw any sign that his selection from the movement universe includes any team sports. So that's why I'm posting this question to him.

          [–]Optimelee 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          What kind of shoes do you wear casually or when training when shoes are needed? Do you where minimalist shoes? If so which do you recommend.

          [–]BWFreak 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          You claim to train 6-8 hours a day. Exactly how much is spent resting. You like to compare yourself to professional athletes in football and basketball. They don't train as long or frequently as you do. Playing basketball/football for 30-40 weeks is ridiculous and they do not spend anywhere as long as you claim to practice.

          Why can't you spend more time on offering a higher quality of online coaching than training for 6-8 hours a day?

          [–]Likemercy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Did you just ask him to train less because you feel he owes you something? I understand if you pay for his coaching, but the time he spends training isn't up for anyone to judge.

          [–]BWFreak 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          No, you don't understand. Otherwise you wouldn't be defending him. I take it that you aren't a client. The thing is, Ido is in maintenance mode. He's not trying to get stronger (e.g. increase his lifts or learn anything above a handstand or muscle up on rings). It's basically what he preaches. Oh you don't need anything above a double bodyweight squat. You don't need an iron cross. It doesn't take much time to maintain a muscle up or double body weight squat. You do a muscle up or front lever or planche or one arm chin up 3 or 4 times a week and squat once or twice a week. Boom, you just opened up a ton of time where training for 6 hours makes no sense. The lifting schedule is according to Candito and Omar on youtube who practice conventional power lifting methods and their experiences.

          [–]jointpains 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          This has got to be one of the worst AMA's ever

          posted 5 hours ago and no reply? - i'm keen for him to at least answer some of the good / relevant questions here

          [–]red1392 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          He's not replying today I believe. He'll pick and choose what he wants to answer and they'll be posted tomorrow or something.

          [–]jointpains 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          oh ok - thanks, i'll be keen to see his views on some of what has been posted

          [–]161803398874989Mean Mod 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Red is correct.

          [–]kronik85 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          upvote, because i was thinking the same thing. should have been made clear in the AMA.

          [–]bamboosage 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Thank you for the inspiration and getting people thinking about movement. You've been a big motivator and inspiration and I can't wait to attend a seminar(Any future seminars in California/West Coast area of the US?)

          Do you have any thoughts on Qi Gong/Chi Gong as internal movement or minimal smooth focused movements?

          [–]AntranikNice Mod 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          He has an event in LA next week

          [–]bamboosage 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Thanks for the info Antranik.

          Unfortunately I'm continuing school next week for my DC, and won't be able to make that. Hopefully I catch him next time or I convenient vacation to a future seminar location.

          Edit: Thank you so much for organizing his floreio project also. I check your site regularly. It's funa nd amazing.

          [–]AntranikNice Mod 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          No, thank you!

          [–]RatioFitness 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Ido, what is your opinion on internal martial art style of movement? What value does it have for movement reaearch?

          [–]RhinoMan2112Rings 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Hey Ido Portal! I'm a big fan, I always find your video super motiving, not to mention just cool :P Thanks for doing this AMA!

          Anyway, I have a couple of questions if you don't mind!

          First off, this one is more directed to when you were beginning: When/around when you started, did you have any overlapping goals, as far as movements go? For example, I'd like to be able to train for planche, but also other movements such as muscle-ups, handstand, Front/back lever, etc.. Do you reccomend dedicating my time to one movement at a time or is it worthwhile to train for them all at once?

          Also, do you do any elbow and/or wrist strengthening movements? As I exercise I notice my wrists get lots of wear and can be sore every once in a while, and I'm also worried about elbow wear, especially in training for something like muscle-ups

          Thanks!

          [–]gsethi 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          When you do your scapular routine, you use bands. Would it be possible to replicate some of the moves using the cable machines?

          [–]IdoPortalCan Go Fuck A Duck[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yes, of course. With some creativity.

          [–]mtruelove 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Hi Ido, what have you found to be to quickest way to achieve the side splits?

          Cheers.

          [–]IdoPortalCan Go Fuck A Duck[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Built a 5 step and 7 step 5 min horse stance with hips parallel to floor. This old concept is my adaptation to Thomas Kurz's method. It will take a while to do that but once you are there - it will unlock some of the hardest cases - like me.

          [–]mtruelove 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          That's great. I'm actually familiar with Kurz so I'll invest more time in this.

          [–]Masterofrabbits 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          What is your view on powerlifting ?

          [–]IdoPortalCan Go Fuck A Duck[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Not a huge fan. I prefer the heavy athletics to it - hammer, olyfting, shot put, etc. for me they represent more interesting coordinates on the physical attribute 3d model.

          [–]AmigoHB 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Hi Ido, I appreciate your influence in movement culture and I've learned a number of things following what you've been up to over the years.

          My question is regards to someone I work with regularly who has an experience of beginning to stretch - really to any degree - and ends up with some pain and tighter the next day. In other words seems to regress in flexibility the more she trains it. Have you encountered anything similar and or have any suggestions?

          Thank you!

          [–]DocDurden 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          If it is not too late for new questions:

          • Ido, do you see any connections between certain static structural compositions (eg. femur to shin length, torso length, limb length etc.) and excellence in certain movement patterns (crawling, jumping, lateral movement, climbing etc.)?

          Like say for example short femurs equals great high bar squat; long legs ext. rotated acetebular equals excellence in ballet.

          If you see glimpses of such patterns - would you care to elaborate on what you've seen? what you think?

          [–]sirchro 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          What are the best complementary exercises you could recommend for training the shoulders? (to complement for handstand pushup progression, planche progression, etc.)

          [–]palmcron 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          What would you consider basic movement in the water? Breast stroke and freestyle? Apnoe diving?

          [–]palmcron 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          What is your sleep schedule like? How do you optimally avoid or deal with jetlag?

          [–]zRaw 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Do you think some people's movement skills would benefit from some sort of psychotherapy besides movement?

          For example I find that I'm tense and sweaty all over (symphatetic dominance) and barely progress in sports no matter what I try. I think some kind of trauma caused me this chronic 'shock' and I started psychoterapy to gain better progress in movement (besides the obvious reasons).

          So the question: do you advise certain students of yours to seek mental help, or do you only "prescribe movement"? Any special movements, to "free" the individual?

          [–]MrJurre 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Hey Ido,

          Can you recommend me some books/authors? Need some more books to keep me going.

          Cheers,

          Jurre