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I've been Doxed: Thank you, CivCraft. (self.Civcraft)

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[–]g10greg56D-Block Resident 101 ポイント102 ポイント  (79子コメント)

This community has gone to shit. This is seriously the most fucked up thing I've ever seen on this server. It's one (still massively fucked up) thing to just post someone's name and address over Minecraft, it's another to leak their credit card numbers, social security number and all the other stuff that butt mad idiot posted over e-legos.

I really hope that there is enough evidence against the person who did this that legal action needs to be taken. They are one sick fuck

[–]WorldCopEpitome of Justice 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (31子コメント)

It's just getting worse and worse as time goes by. People are taking their legos more and more seriously.

This community would be better if it would be the opposite. Imagine if people would love each other more and more everyday instead of hating each other.

[–]AndersenesrednA༼ ºل͟º ༼ ºل͟º ༼ ºل͟º ༽ ºل͟º ༽ ºل͟º ༽ 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The year is 2032, the rise in both the popularity and severity of addiction to civcraft has created a total global economic and governmental collapse.The line between real life and minecraft is now totally non-existent as anarchy reigns in the streets and the civcraft death count rises into the millions. Pearling the wrong person can mean the slaughter of your entire family by the World Brigade Police and other gangs. People exist only to play civcraft now, huddled in dark sewer corners and dirty ruins with only the light of their e-lego pixels to brighten their faces. There is nothing else. It is a dark day for us all.

[–]creeperslayerHDAstronaut and Warrior 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh fuck, CivCraft Merging with real life?! Welp im moving to northkorea.

[–]amunakwizard of the forest 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Brilliant, this is as if it was taken from /r/WritingPrompts.

[–]clone2204clone - 27 || Innocents - 0 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (26子コメント)

There is a reason I say no when people try to pay me to release them. If you are really that desperate, then maybe you shouldn't be playing anyway.

[–]WorldCopEpitome of Justice 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (21子コメント)

I know that I'm about to get downvoted for what I'm about to reply to you (and this might be off-topic), but here it goes:

I think you should understand that people like you, shouldn't promote real world trading, and shouldn't even hold a vault.

When you, and Jaaerk, stole my vault, blamed it on filetophil, mocked me several times, and asked me for real world money, you were trying to promote toxicity. If I was a real dick, I could have tried to dox you, Jaaerk, and Zoltan, for mocking me for a long time. And again, I'm just using this as an example. There's people out there that will be real dicks if you hurt their feels. They will do anything for a slice of revenge because they cannot bear getting their ass beaten in a lego game.

So maybe, just maybe, if people in general were nicer as a whole, these fiascoes wouldn't happen. I think so, because in the end, I won.

[–]Kittenbears88Snorriandgotrekt 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think 'Clone, be less of a dick' would solve a lot of clone's issues tbh.

[–]prdaxfac ut gaudeam 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He doesn't know how to not be a dick

:P

[–]Jacko87 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know that I'm about to get downvoted

Oh my god, shut up you baby.

[–]arrow74 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If they are going to pay you to release them why not just buy another account?

[–]geohash[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If someone sends money to you by paypal, they get your email and paypal account details. at that point, you can use the email to reverse search on facebook, twitter, google, e.g and you're effectively doxed.

[–]quicksilver991Poor reasoning is a pillar of the community 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can I be free yet

[–]SkyHG[🍰] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

unless its in station cash right?

[–]arrow74 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I wouldn't worry about the community too much anymore. This could actually do the server in.

[–]TheHobbyist94Toltecahtl of Yoahtl 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's questionable how much liability there is on civcraft's part. Nevermind that it's crossed international boundaries, any sort of criminal investigation would be lengthy series of bumping around to find the right court to see the case. It's unlikely a criminal charge can be leveled against the server owners. However, for a civil suit it's much more possible. I don't think geohash is likely to do that though. The worst that might happen is that ttk is mentioned in court documents during a civil suit set up by geohash, doubtful he would actually be charged.

[–]geohash[S] 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nevermind that it's crossed international boundaries,

Server is in Canada and the police reside in Canada. If it's really necessary, police can obtain a search warrant for the server if it's excessively necessary. I don't have much control over this.

It's unlikely a criminal charge can be leveled against the server owners.

Agreed.

However, for a civil suit it's much more possible.

I'm not pressing for a civil suit.

The worst that might happen is that ttk is mentioned in court documents during a civil suit set up by geohash, doubtful he would actually be charged.

Once again, not pressing civil charges against ttk2 or any of the admin team.

[–]TheHobbyist94Toltecahtl of Yoahtl 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm just widely speculating, I didn't think you'd press a civil suit against the server and their admins. However, in a civil suit against the doxxer you would have to mention ttk and the server in such a document. Also TIL that the server was hosted in Canada. However, you're also assuming that the doxxer is in Canada. He may be American, or English, or from anywhere really.

[–]gui_laoformer civcrafter | white devil 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol wtf have you all been up to?

[–]ChrisChrispieLynchwood (Chanos) and writer for big meme publishing 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (35子コメント)

I don't think the community itself has gone to shit, however it has lost direction.

Its all about PVP now, and with that comes idiots from other servers who take Minecraft too serious.

[–]Lysika_Lantariel 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why have you made this about PvP? It seems far more likely that whoever did this is a long term civcrafter.

[–]fwhiffahderbotlord and website maker 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why do I feel like people always say this? Oh, that's right. Because they do. I recently saw someone saying the same thing a year ago. Either the same people stick around even though "it's all about PvP" or everyone thinks that it was better when they first joined out of some strange nostalgia fetish.

Fact is, there have always been raiders. "HCF" specifically have been around in cycles since that first invasion (12/25 nevr froget). The latest round is better than the others, with a higher Civcraft player to on-demand PvPer ratio and the utilization of bastions. Did you know real life often has wars, and it doesn't have to affect the people who stay in their homes.

[–]ChrisChrispieLynchwood (Chanos) and writer for big meme publishing 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm fine with PvP-I just think it takes away from The political aspect of the game

[–]Ibgodhello ;) 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (5子コメント)

If you think this is pvpers doxxing people you're wrong. It's people like stonato who take this game a tad more serious then normal people.

[–]gingechrisBrun Christoph: Wizard of the Oceans, ne'er-do-well 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

If you've evidence that the person you named was somehow involved, then please could you communicate that to the appropriate authorities ?

[–]TangentialThreat 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The evidence points to someone fairly close to Geohash, someone who actually knew him and talked to him and knew who his friends were.

Ibgod's unnecessary attempt to deflect blame is probably just a reflex and not an indication that he had anything to do with it IMHO. Stonato is still a suspect because of his intense hatred for Geohash and lack of boundaries, but personally I suspect it was a friend.

[–]gingechrisBrun Christoph: Wizard of the Oceans, ne'er-do-well 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That level of intrusion is certainly a criminal matter, so let's hope the police are motivated enough to pursue it fully.

[–]Ibgodhello ;) 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If I knew I would.

[–]gingechrisBrun Christoph: Wizard of the Oceans, ne'er-do-well -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sure you would. I just made that comment for general readership, really, not specifically aimed at you.

[–]QuinnelDEMOCRACY IS NON-NEGOTIABLE -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (25子コメント)

banning the hcf in the first place would've solved the problem two years ago

[–]ttk2Drama Management Specialist 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (21子コメント)

remove health pots, break pvp fun, don't ban groups, there are ways to fix things without giving up all principle.

[–]Ibgodhello ;) 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (11子コメント)

HCF really aren't the problem, there are equally toxic players on both sides, this kind of stuff isn't generated by coolpvp or competitiveness it's literally just some lonely man thinking they can be cool if they dox someone they don't like. The real reason behind this is because players invest too much into this game and get too involved with the community for better or worse.

[–]QuinnelDEMOCRACY IS NON-NEGOTIABLE 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (10子コメント)

It's generated by the toxic culture that the HCF brought with them. The 'other side' you're referring to (not to mention the community as a whole) wasn't nearly as cancerous before the initial invasion of Christmas 2012, assuming most of them even played at that time in the first place.

To explain my thought using an analogy, I'd consider the inclusion of HCF in the 'experiment' as an invasive species causing harm to an ecosystem. An ecosystem which was originally populated with numerous politically driven players has since been washed clean by an endless barrage of looting and raiding that eventually resulted in a population that managed to adapt to the changes the invasive species brought about.

Those who didn't want to deal with the day-in day-out bullshit left the server for greener pastures, and the remaining players, the more invested, remained. This is natural selection at work: those who adapted 'survived' and those who didn't, did not.

With this in mind, it's no surprise that we'd see a rise in power players, AKA continuous renditions of invested players creating the same recycled World-Police organization that's hell-bent on keeping the inclusion of the invasive species to a minimum. In reality, they're just a mirror image of the HCF and wouldn't have appeared in the first place if not for the initial invasion, but I digress.

The point I'm trying to make is that the doxxing is an indirect result of cause-and-effect that can be logically explained. The community didn't fall to such a low by mistake.

[–]Ibgodhello ;) -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (7子コメント)

this community fell due to minecraft being a shitty game with a shitty audience not because pvp lmao

[–]TheHobbyist94Toltecahtl of Yoahtl 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You got downvoted but you're essentially correct. The goal of this server has been continually hampered by the limited ability of minecraft to actually attempt this experiment. I'd be curious how well it'd work in a different game medium, but honestly can't imagine how.

For anyone unfamiliar with the biggest dilemma in macro social sciences, being a social scientist or in those fields is a constant struggle to reach the level of scientific rigor demanded by the scientific community. You can't just perform experiments and observe the results. Thus, you have to extrapolate using the data you collect, which can never be accurate. To me, the idea of this server is a wet dream. Watching states react to actions in real time, watching as groups of people form into communities which become nations which become states, these are things which I'd never get to see in real life. Granted, it's still a game. But to me, the idea of this server gave me goosebumps.

It didn't work though. It didn't work because it was treated like just another factions server, in part because of all the people from the factions server, but also in part because of those who just felt inclined to take advantage of the frankly exploitative nature of the plugins, and slow development to a crawl insofar as it benefited them.

[–]MCCivAnCap King 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd like to put in my opinion that the current state of affairs for the server are a reflection of modern society and culture. I consider it to be all part of the experiment; a sad reflection on the effects of globalization.

[–]mightberallag 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

no papa i've extrapolated my shitty biology analogies to the extent they OBJECTIVELY PROVE you were directly responsible for geohash's doxxing

[–]Kittenbears88Snorriandgotrekt 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

And I just gave my mystic balls a good rub and have determined you're QT.

[–]WouterDMtFlushmore - Save Civcraft, pearl Clone! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What do your balls have to say about me, Snorri?

[–]mightberallag 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

th-thanks

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    [–]QuinnelDEMOCRACY IS NON-NEGOTIABLE 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    T-thanks

    [–]TheHobbyist94Toltecahtl of Yoahtl 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Can we remove health pots? I never thought of it before, but that does seem like a quick way to at least shorten pvp and let it become more numbers and less skill based.

    [–]ttk2Drama Management Specialist 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Its been considered. Not sure if we can make sure it works out ok. Probably goes best with a damage multiplier based on your activity on the server

    [–]Joshua97367josh the slayer 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I don't think damage multiplier would work good with time played. That might work in theory but people can just afk over night or something to fix it and it'd basically just be another chore you have to do instead of being something useful

    [–]TangentialThreat 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It would be okay, and at one point I suggested something like it where new players wouldn't be able to wear armor.

    Mass AFKing would cure it and the people who actually lead invasions seemingly don't sleep anyway. A mechanics change (no health pots or guns or something like that) would probably work out better but needs significant testing to keep it from becoming worse.

    [–]ttk2Drama Management Specialist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    it would not be based on raw in game time, it would be based on a number of events that we should set arbitrarily such that most active players have them all and most inactive ones do not.

    [–]Ibgodhello ;) 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    It wouldn't fix anything, it'd just make pvping more amusing because people would instantly die.

    [–]ttk2Drama Management Specialist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    so how do we make it less amusing? I am getting back to the damage multiplier idea I guess

    [–]Ibgodhello ;) 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I mean you can't make it less fun it's just how minecraft pvp is, you click pixels and get a adrenaline rush that's literally it, you could make it so people get 2 hit and it 'd still be fun.

    [–]rdelucahermit and trader (ichr123) 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I mean you can't make it less fun it's just how minecraft pvp is, you click pixels and get a adrenaline rush that's literally it, you could make it so people get 2 hit and it 'd still be fun.

    This isn't just directed at you but for an open discussion-

    Okay lets say for the sake of argument we're making a game that's really similar to civcraft but without the limitations of minecraft

    What can really be done about making people who have invested more time in the game would have an advantage that can't just be given to an absolute noob (40 randos in prot) or meta-gamed (like the proposed "in game actions dmg multiplier")

    Adding a permanent level (like a MMO) would be a solution but that just seems like an arbitrary grind (like what people created xp grinders for in 1.0)

    I'm sure if I spent more time brainstorming I could come up with more ideas, I just wanted to open up discussion because I can.

    [–]ChrisChrispieLynchwood (Chanos) and writer for big meme publishing -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    This. Ban all HCF

    [–]Lysika_Lantariel 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Nice meme

    [–]RuhzzyWats 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah, ban those horrible hcf guys!

    [–]there_shall_be_beesDon't dox me plox 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    This isn't normal doxing; this is advanced doxing.

    edit: I was trying to lighten the mood with a meme. This isn't doxing, this is identify theft, fraud, and tons of other shit. This is the worst that has happened on civcraft so far for this type of stuff. I feel for Geo.

    [–]Jackson8960Plantation Owner *Goliath On-Line* 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    So you mean identity theft?

    [–]Juz16🔒Now with less free speech! 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He's not wrong.

    [–]DelegadoCeroawearyworld -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Gone to shit? Are you out of your mind? It has been like this for a long time.

    [–]g10greg56D-Block Resident 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It wasn't like this when I started