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What Happens When a Prominent Male Feminist Is Accused of Rape?

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I thought it was called Macktivism because of that time Mac tried to bang that chick at the anti-abortion rally (or something like that) on It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
Late on the evening of January 6, nine women and one trans individual met at a union space in Northeast Portland to call out a well-known local activist for being, in their consideration, a wolf in sheep's clothing. They were about to share with four dozen strangers highly personal stories of sexual and emotional abuse that inspired shame and rage. Some had seen each other at activist rallies or on Bike Swarm trips around Portland, though only a few had formally met beforehand. Despite this, they had a common denominator: The same self-proclaimed male feminist had abused them, and they wanted to make sure it wouldn't happen to anyone else.
These 10 individuals, all feminists, were the focus of a "fishbowl meeting": a meeting formation made up of a closed inner circle inside a horseshoe-shape of community members. The four dozen people around the victims, mostly participants in Portland bike collectives, were there to offer support and strategize a community plan of action. Over the next two hours, the victims told harrowing stories of harassment, domination, and crossed boundaries. Although this wasn't planned, the stories increased in severity throughout the night and culminated with the tale of Byrd Jasper (not their legal name), a trans person whose recent Facebook post spurred the meeting.
"This is going to be a call out," it read. "Hart Noecker is a manipulator and an abuser... On several occasions he got me wasted and either did things I had said a hard no to or told me of his intentions to do them in the future." After lengthy discussions about consent, the post said, Noecker had choked and anally penetrated Jasper, despite determined and persistent warnings that anal sex was off-limits during their pre-sex conversation about boundaries. The post added that Noecker is particularly dangerous because of his "extensive knowledge of radical politics and social capital on the activist scene."
Some women met him online, where he wore his activist credentials like a badge of impunity. Most met him at biking events or activist rallies, where he was outspoken about a number of social justice issues. The Willamette Week, a local Portland newspaper, reports that he was passionately opposed to water fluoridation, certain local highway projects, driving cars, the police, and the mayor of Portland, Charlie Hales.
The six victims I interviewed described Noecker as charismatic, with an intensity in his eyes and a passion for ethical living. Originally from Michigan, he strove for an anti-capitalist lifestyle, the pinnacles of which were his militant veganism and leadership in the biking community. Noecker, 34, was also known to take photographs at activist events, and disturbingly, of naked women at Portland's World Naked Bike Ride. The most recent event he spearheaded was Don't Shoot PDX, a Ferguson solidarity protest. For his day job, Noecker worked in a call center.
A self-professed male feminist, Noecker was fluent with women's issues such as body-image politics, female silencing and, most chillingly, consent. His radical-activist blog, Rebel Metropolis (briefly removed but now back), praised Alice Walker, Emma Goldman, and Julia Ward Howe. He wore a pin with a feminist fist. He was, in many ways, the image of a male ally.
Noecker's victims argue that his behavior represents larger trends in the idea of "macktivism," a strategy men use to pursue female activists and progressives. Their stories differed in levels of violence, but their narrative arcs were the same: He talked himself up as a radical feminist and ally, slowly introduced controlling behavior, and, while intoxicated, crossed sexual boundaries his victims had expressly laid out (and some that didn't need to be).
Some women in the fishbowl meeting accused Noecker of non-consensually penetrating them without a condom. Some said he had followed them into a bathroom and forced himself on them. Some said he masturbated next to them after they refused sex. A few allege that he urinated on them or forced them to urinate on him. Byrd Jasper, who believes themself to be his last victim, has accused him publicly of rape and is pressing charges.
These alleged assaults, the victims stressed, were nearly all prefaced by lengthy discussions about consent. Many of his victims maintain that Noecker instigated these discussions, asking before physical contact what their "likes and dislikes" were. Jasper, during this conversation, said they were a hard "no" on anal sex, an imperative they say Noecker violated when he was drunk. Amy, another victim, says Noecker blamed her for wearing a tiny shirt after she called him out for suddenly groping her. Later, she says, he nonconsensually penetrated her without a condom, a recurrent complaint throughout my interviews with individuals he dated.
One victim estimates that 20 women have come forward with allegations against Noecker since Jasper's call-out. There is now a Tumblr blog called "Abusive Anarchist" dedicated to airing complaints about Noecker's behavior. (One post details the discrepancies between the Willamette Week's coverage, which "implies that Byrd is the only person with 'severe' allegations," and their collective account of the initial meeting, in which "seven [individuals] spoke of emotional abuse and sexual coercion in great detail. Five indicated sexual assault. Two, including Byrd Jasper, indicated rape.")
"He used feminism as a way to get women to sleep with him," said Nicole, who dated Noecker last summer. "But it was even more than that. I think he gets off on the idea of controlling these strong, powerful women. He definitely used his self-proclaimed feminism to do that." Others agreed: Noecker's underhanded feminism, they say, was a tool he used to "groom" or gain the trust of women he eventually would abuse emotionally or physically.
Noecker's legal firm told me they urged their client not to comment to the media, and have issued an official statement declaring that he denies all charges. They added, "The burden is on Ms. [Jasper] to prove the truth of her allegations," mislabeling Jasper, who is trans, and prefers the gender-neutral pronoun.
Double-speaking male "feminists" recently garnered media attention when Hugo Schwyzer, the famously lecherous gender studies professor at Pasadena City College, was outed in 2013. He wrote eloquently about issues surrounding female body image, often on this very website, and gave workshops on sexual harassment. Armed with lectures like "Holding Men Accountable" and "Consent and Enthusiasm," Schwyzer seemed to be an unlikely sexual aggressor. But in his capacity as a renowned male feminist blogger and academic, Schwyzer also fucked porn stars he met through his classes and, at one point, slept with four women on a class trip he was chaperoning. (In the past, he also allegedly tried to murder his ex-girlfriend.) "Male weakness" was a recurrent theme in his writing. It came out that his feminism was, in part, subordinate to his libido.
"I always wrote for women but wrote in a really backhanded way," Schwyzer told The Daily Beast. "And that required presenting myself as the ideal husband, father, and reformed bad boy. My point is that I was writing for women because I wanted validation from women." Schwyzer discussed consent (always sought), BDSM and professor-student sex on his blog, noting that his ambitious sexual escapades had "profoundly negative" repercussions.
When the truth about his lascivious antics emerged, Schwyzer took to Twitter: "I lied and manipulated and cheated so many of you," he wrote, acknowledging how he'd used his male feminist brand to attract women.
In a time when only seven percent more women than men identify as feminists, it's upsetting to have to second-guess our allies. We've made tangible progress helping men understand that women are systematically treated as second-class citizens. Men are increasingly outspoken at rallies, regular readers of feminist publications, and knowledgeable about issues like consent. Kudos to those who are acting sincerely. But, according to the women interviewed for this story, no one hides bad intentions quite as well as a man well-versed in feminist lingo—most of all consent.
In another highly publicized instance of doublespeak, Kyle Payne, an internet-famous radical feminist blogger, was convicted in 2008 for assaulting and photographing an unconscious woman. Payne eventually admitted that his feminism was deceitful after his unforgivable antics became public. His intent, his court documents read, was "to arouse my sexual desire." He was a Resident Adviser to many women and an outspoken sexual assault advocate (in a long blog post, Schwyzer called his story "infuriating").
What did Payne have to say for himself?
My work against sexual violence and my reputation as a pro-feminist 'good guy' accomplished … distract[ing] myself from the shame of fantasizing about women as sexual objects, and in the case of my victim, acting out that fantasy. It's no coincidence that I traveled to two feminist anti-pornography events (in Boston and Austin), established an online presence as a pro-feminist anti-pornography blogger, and became an avid fan of women's athletics in the nineteen months between committing my offense and being convicted in court.
It now seems painfully ironic that an apparently offended Schwyzer, in 2009, wrote an open letter to Payne asking him to take down his feminist blog.
We can't paint a broad brush to understand the psychology here, but for Noecker, Payne, Schwyzer and many others like them, domination and sexual gratification were inextricably linked. I interviewed six of the individuals Nocker transgressed; many attested that he described his infatuation with power dynamics as a fetish (he expressly enjoyed BDSM). But they agreed that his sexual inclinations were less fetishistic than they were representative of a dangerous pathology: He got off on abusing and dominating his partners without their consent. While fetishes are necessarily transgressive, bending the norms of sexual relations, they also rely on healthy consent practices. The men described in this article neglected to continue those practices as time progressed.

In another case of sexual assault prefaced on consent, a student and outspoken male "feminist" at a Pacific Northwest college was expelled last December after two female students accused him of sexual assault. Maria*, who spoke with me under the condition of anonymity, told me that she believes the number of victims is higher.
Maria met Mike* at a college party the summer of 2013. A member of the Feminist Student Union, Mike was a passionate political science major before his recent expulsion. At first coming off to Maria as innocent, even somewhat prudish, Mike fell into an impassioned discussion about Marx with Maria before breaking off to socialize with other partygoers.
Over the next few weeks, Maria occasionally met him after classes to talk about philosophy; he was not only active in the Feminist Student Union but in the feminist reading circles associated with the group. Maria, an opinionated feminist, remembers him excitedly talking with her about Bell Hooks' Feminism is for Everybody. His fluency in feminist diction made her feel comfortable around him, she says, so they started getting together in private places to talk about their shared interests. That's when they started hooking up. But it only took a few intimate encounters—all preceded by lengthy discussions about consent—before Maria started to think that for Mike, feminism was more of an underhanded mating tactic than a lifestyle choice.
For Maria, Mike's conceit of feminism masked violent sexual inclinations, which were off-putting even in consensual encounters. "Within a few minutes of having sex," she recalled, "I learned about some of his sexual preferences.… He seemed extremely interested in degrading me emotionally, hurting me physically, and placing me in fantasies in which I was sexually humiliated." Even then, he asked her for consent. She reluctantly agreed.
After some time, Mike apparently became less concerned about obtaining consent (she recalled he didn't use a condom once, which terrified her because he was openly polyamorous). On the night last November that Maria alleges Mike raped her, she says consent was completely thrown out the window. She says she said no four times, and that he only stopped when she started, in her words, "hysterically crying."
"The fact that he was a feminist who had seemed so concerned with consent made it so much more difficult to realize and accept that he raped me," she says. "I left his apartment that night convinced that there had to have been some misunderstanding on my part." The college's assistant dean of sexual assault declined to comment.
Numerous women filed complaints with the college against Mike, two accusing him of rape. The college's Sexual Misconduct board also found him in violation of a no-contact order. The board recommended him for expulsion, which the president and the Appeals Board saw through. But before Mike was expelled, he sent Maria an apology saturated with feminist terminology (there was a trigger warning in the subject heading), admitting that he had assaulted both women.
A grand jury decided against indicting Mike. He told me that, in retrospect, he believes that "certain strains of sex-positive liberal feminism" can "make certain knowledge of consent more difficult." He now rejects sex-positivity.

A knowledge of feminism doesn't always translate into expressions of feminist ideas. It's easy to repeat what allies say or parrot what you read online in feminist publications. It's easy to tell someone that you ask permission. It's harder to let go of your upbringing in a society that preaches, allows, and even encourages male entitlement toward female bodies.
Noecker was known to have talked extensively about consent with his victims over Facebook or on first dates, long before laying his hands on them. Asking them about their "likes and dislikes," Noecker seemed highly knowledgeable about rape culture and the need for enthusiastic consent. Katherine, one of the women who dated him last July, believes that he led these discussions to plant seeds of doubt in his victim's minds after he deliberately crossed their boundaries. Katherine discussed with Noecker sexual trauma she underwent in the past. Regardless of this, and while Katherine was attempting to sleep, Noecker pulled out his penis and began to masturbate furiously above her body. After she indicated to him that he had violated her, he allegedly said, "I don't know how this is my problem."
Many of Noecker's victims returned to his house after he had harmed them because, like Maria, they felt they had somehow made judgment errors—Noecker, after all, had laid out his sexual preferences and asked them about theirs. All those interviewed said that they wished they had placed less emphasis on his words as a foundation for trust.
At first blush, the collective stories about Noecker could read like a case study of a sociopath. They could also represent the mating strategy of a particularly villainous macktivist, who espouses respect and equality in public while privately asserts his right to whatever he wants. Jasper commented that "most male feminists using this rhetoric to manipulate and abuse aren't sociopaths," adding, "They just found a new market. They're guising chauvinism with academia. That doesn't make them a sociopath—that makes them smart."
Katherine agreed, and added that, for some self-identified male feminists, words come more easily than actions. Chauvinistic impulses can be deeply ingrained. Noecker, Mike and others get off on crossing boundaries in the extreme, but many men who enter feminist circles also have trouble deprogramming their need for dominance.
"Even among perfectly ethical men who are trying to identify as feminists and deprogram misogyny," Katherine said when I asked whether Noecker is an outlier, "they're still coming from a place of privilege. It's inherent, especially if you're straight and cis. There are extremes of this, like sociopathic abusers like Hart. But there are also good-natured men who are proud of themselves for identifying as feminists—maybe they deserve a cookie because they're a good ally. They feel like they can win the hearts of strong women, date more easily, in ways they wouldn't otherwise. I think that if you're being raised as a man in this society, you have to work incredibly hard to recognize your privilege and modify your thinking and behavior."
Abusers hide in every community. But in a space explicitly aimed at protecting women from abuses of power and sexuality, women often feel especially blindsided when they're violated and gaslit when they attempt to address these violations. CounterPunch wrote about how individual accusations had previously seemed insufficient to threaten Noecker's reputation:
One thing we have heard from some people is that they had only knew of one instance where Hart had committed sexual assault prior to the series of call-outs that were aired more recently. One instance of sexual assault should be enough to call someone into account, and the fact that those who spoke up against Hart were isolated and marginalized until the other shoe finally dropped does not bode well for the future—particularly if the person called out is more well respected.
Noecker is currently petitioning Jasper's restraining order, and a court date has been set for March. Noecker's victims met again on January 15 and 22, to discuss potential red flags for male activists in their community. This time, there was a bigger crowd. They talked about a need to dominate other men in conversation, about how self-assured some men seemed when touting their feminist credentials. The prouder a man feels about professing basic feminist ethics—like asking for consent—the more likely he is, perhaps, to think words are the true force of feminism.
"Don't trust what they say about consent," Jasper said when I asked what they would tell others confronted with a similar situation. "Trust what they do about consent. If they boast about their consent practices, say you want to see it in action."
"If a man feels the need to brag about his consent practices," Jasper added, "it's probably because he doesn't know how to show it to you."
Cecilia D'Anastasio is a Brooklyn-based freelance journalist and bullheaded researcher. She has been published in VICE, The Nation and the Columbia Journalism Review.
*Editor's note: this article has been corrected since publication on the morning of Wednesday, Feb 4th to reflect the altered court date for Noecker/Jasper as well as Noecker's reinstated blog.
Illustration by Jim Cooke.
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I have never experienced assault at the hands of a male feminist, but I have experienced Macktivism for sure. I only trust men who listen more than they talk about feminism (in a conversation with women), who are feminist in actions but not necessarily name. I look for nuances in conversation, reactions to real world news or situations - but self proclamation is a turn off for me. I want an ally but not one who wears it as a badge.
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Yes, the part about listening more than they talk is the most important. I have encountered countless male 'feminists' who think that because they're feminists, they can go ahead and act as if they know more about feminism and women's experience than women do.
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Any man who calls himself a feminist immediately sets off my creep alarms. I have never met a male "feminist" who wasn't a manipulative tool.
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I've seen this happen again and again - the only thing that surprises me is that the others in the group believed the victims in this case.
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This is also my experience. I know many good men who might not read bell hooks, but who practice active consent, respect boundaries, and listen more than they speak when women are discussing their experiences. The guy that walks in yelling about his reading list and his personal practices is the guy that I do not trust, even a little, because to do so is to miss the point entirely.
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The problem is, I'm not sure where exactly the line should be drawn between "openly claiming to be a male feminist in order to normalize and encourage" and "announcing that you are a male feminist to brag and wear it as a diversity merit badge."
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My point being, the only thing worse than someone bragging about being a feminist is someone refusing to admit that they are a feminist. (In my opinion.)
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My thought on that is that it shouldn't take too long to suss out a guy's intentions in declaring himself a feminist. His actions will speak for themselves. Mostly how much he actually listens to women speaking about the topic.
Note that I'm talking about the average guy saying he's a feminist - not these sociopaths that are experts at deception like those mentioned in the above article.
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Originally from Michigan, he strove for an anti-capitalist lifestyle, the pinnacles of which were his militant veganism and leadership in the biking community.
There's something about this sentence that I just cannot stop laughing at.
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Maybe the fact that it sounds like he followed notes from Central Casting?
A common thread among fake feminists is the overly-note-perfect arrangement of peripheral details, which they think will come together to make a solidly believable persona.
This is exactly how Bateman operates in American Psycho; he knows he's all wrong & inhuman inside, but by putting enough layers of Just The Right Details on his facade, he knows nobody will suspect anything at all. And, sadly, this is usually true. People WANT to seek out similar people, and respond to hearing their own language and the topics they agree with; they often don't listen to their gut-instinct when the faker strikes false notes.
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You know, as a male feminist, I was interested by this:
"If a man feels the need to brag about his consent practices," Jasper added, "it's probably because he doesn't know how to show it to you."
I'd never thought about it, but it rings true.
Even outside of feminism entirely, brag-y "I know precisely what you want and how to give it to you!"-types tend to be those who end up on the wrong side of the line in all sorts of situations.
The whole article is pretty horrifying, of course. What's with this creepy obsession with avoiding condoms I wonder? It seems to be a common thread in a lot of "Apparently left-liberal man turns out to actually be sex offender" deals.
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"What's with this creepy obsession with avoiding condoms I wonder? It seems to be a common thread."
In my brief times skimming MRA websites, not using condoms is seen as the ultimate feather in their fedoras of being able to manipulate women. In other words, they managed to have her wrapped so tightly in their control that she tosses out common sense and her well being. It is lauded and laughed at by these guys.
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I distinctly remember one post about a guy bragging about "banging" some woman. The others immediately asked if he wore a condom. He said he did and the responses were along the lines of "Dude, you failed".
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"Hey Bras, guess who's paying child support in 9 months and spreads STDs!? Yup! It's this Bra!"
"Oh man, way to go dog!"
"You the man!"
"Niiiiiiiice!"
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This is why I don't give a shit about attracting men to feminism. I don't give a flying toss if feminism has a marketing problem. I don't care that you don't feel 'welcomed into the community'. For too long popular feminism has been more concerned with it's image and "collecting members" than real action.
Putting a fucking #HeForShe on the end of your self-congratulatory posts about what an amazing feminist you are doesn't mean shit if you're not following feminist principles in your day to day life. I would rather that feminism was a smaller group of honest people than a huge mass of people using it to excuse their shitty and/or disturbing behaviour. I really hope that these victims get the help they need and the justice they deserve.
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It is important to attract men to feminism in some contexts. In places where women have no power, you're going to have to appeal to a male power structure to advance.
What's going on here doesn't seem to be that attracting men to feminism has gone wrong, it seems to be more that this guy is a sociopathic, opportunistic twatwaffle.
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I'm sorry, but that opportunistic twatwaffle was able to get away with that shit for so long because we're so obsessed with men accepting feminism, and we practically suck the dick of any man who acts like a decent human being. We shouldn't have to dilute the meaning of feminism to gain popularity, we should be advocating real behavior change, not wrapping ourselves up in a This is What a Feminist Looks Like identity.
I don't think any power structure has ever been over turned by the oppressed being nice to the oppressors.
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Oh no, I agree that at this point in say, America, we shouldn't be concerned with placating dudes who hang out on internet forums, which is more the category I would put this guy in.
But I think depending on where you are relative to gender equality, and especially if you're in a place where there is none, you're probably going to pick your battles and to some degree still operate in a way that's expected of you, so you can start chipping away at whatever you consider the most egregious affronts to your humanity.
I think if you dropped me into the middle of Saudi Arabia and I started talking about how women should be able to have sex with whomever they want, whenever they want, and say no to sex with their husbands, it would be a complete nonstarter, even though it's true and important. If I only said women should be able to drive, there would still be a lot of disagreement, but it's something people are more likely to get on board with. If I said both, people would probably use my views on sex as a way to discredit my views on women driving and I could inadvertently set that back. But, if I convince people on the driving bit, and they start getting used to women having that level of autonomy, maybe the sex conversation can happen down the road. Sometimes to get meaningful reform, you need to work within cultural boundaries, slow and frustrating as that may be. Does it always work like that? Not necessarily, but I think when you're talking about very basic rights in a place where you have none, reform is to some degree a balancing act.
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I think that's slightly different; I quite clearly said 'popular feminism', and accusations that feminism has a marketing problem are usually towards Western feminism. And even then, in somewhere like Saudi Arabia women haven't earned the right to vote and drive by asking nicely. The women their have fought very hard for the right to vote and they often go out and drive anyway. Similarly in India, asking men nicely to take notice of the issue of rape hasn't worked, women have organised their own groups, marched in protest, shouted, been angry, attacked suspected rapists. I'm not saying that's what's always possible or necessary, but the kind of man-pleasing that enabled this particular shitstain to get away with horrible crimes is wrapped up in our idea that change will come if we just repeatedly ask politely. Even if peaceful protest and appealing to intelligent thought is what gets us there eventually, actual action is the only way to accelerate change. Unfortunately, actual action is not appealing to men, whereas being able to wrap yourself in an identity where countless women will thank you for being decent? That's actually a lot easier.
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Creepy as fuck. I'd like to take this opportunity to note how glad I am that Schwyzer doesn't have an outlet on Jez any longer.
Also this about sums it up in regards to any person you have sex with, regardless of political leanings:
"If a man feels the need to brag about his consent practices," Jasper added, "it's probably because he doesn't know how to show it to you."
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Hell, he's still creepy. I read a "where is he now?" article about him in 2014, and he was back to his old ways - pursuing a 22-year-old girl in one of his therapy groups despite the supervising nurse warning him not to, and just generally being a dishonest, manipulative asshole. It's just the feminist veneer is gone, with him not even pretending anymore.
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As I clicked on this article, I thought it was going to be about Schwyzer.
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Schwyzer was (and I'm sure is) fucking awful, for so many reasons. Also, the "allegedly" in the article when it talks about him trying to murder his girlfriend is entirely unnecessary—we only know about the incident because he fucking bragged about it in a blog post that was meant to make someone else feel better for accidentally letting a dog out. Just let that sink in—he suggested that attempting to murder his romantic partner was roughly equivalent to forgetting to shut a gate and accidentally letting a pet escape.
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this is just horrible, but honestly, it makes me feel less alone. I didn't have to through what these people had to, but when I was 18, I started seeing this guy and after two dates he convinced me to come to his room (her had "get his jacket") where he told me he didn't want to have sex that night (I'm thinking, good, we weren't going to have sex) and climbed into his bed. I'm young and have zero experience at all and follow him. He spent the next two hours pressuring me to have sex and making me feel like I was a child for saying no. Then he put his hands down my pants after I told him "no" several times. He'd say "Shh it's okay" then move his hands, but out them back several times later. He was a part of my college's feminist group and very prominent within it. I felt like I must have been the one to do something wrong. And I'm sorry for all of the detail because this is a non-story but I've never told anyone and it makes me nervous to think about and remember. But thank you for this story. Their duplicity is awful.
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thank you! I actually already feel better, just saying it and accepting that it was really fucked up is helping. It takes a special kind of scumbag to be as deceiving as the guys in these stories.
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You're definitely not alone, and I'm sorry this happened :/ Thank you for being brave and sharing it with us - this is a really great place to talk and share. Do you ever spend time on the Groupthink sublog?
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It's not a "non-story" and I'm really sorry this happened to you. This is exactly the sort of thing that happens over and over that men (notallmen) think is ok and is NOT.
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As a man who considers himself a feminist, I am very uncomfortable with chalking up the behavior of these men to the effects of male privilege and patriarchy. If these guys can learn all the theory but still fail to respect women, I think it shows evidence of some kind of pathology, something that prevents them from having enough empathy for other people to balance others' needs and against their own needs and desires. Obviously, I'm thinking about this from a perspective that puts more on emphasis on psychology than feminist theory, but I believe that honestly and fully embracing feminist ideas will prevent the average man from treating women the way these men have treated women. I don't believe most people don't have the capacity for hypocrisy on this level. But maybe I have an overly optimistic view of human nature.
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If these guys can learn all the theory but still fail to respect women, I think it shows evidence of some kind of pathology, something that prevents them from having enough empathy for other people to balance others' needs and against their own needs and desires.
not all monsters have mental illness. not all people with mental illness are monsters. this isn't something "wrong" with them. this is absolutely the patriarchy at work- they can read and "learn", or rather, parrot these words, but they hold no value to them because they hold a deep rooted belief that sex is won, that if they talk the talk these defrauded women deserve what happens to them, they get what they get, and haha suckaz. it is intense and monstrous and sickening, but they are perfectly sane.
edited to put a quote in actual quotes
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not all monsters have mental illness. not all people with mental illness are monsters.
This is so key. Assuming that someone who does bad things must be mentally ill puts those of us with mental disorders and illnesses into a category we don't necessarily belong, and allows assholes an excuse they don't deserve. Sometimes a shithead is just a shithead, period.
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My quibble with this is where you say "they hold a deep rooted belief." Presumably if you were to ask them about their "beliefs" they would tell you the things they told these women before they violated them. If they what they actually believe is something different from, if they are aware of and excusing not just their desire but their actions of gaining power over women and degrading, then they aren't operating (in my opinion) the way normal people operated. The capacity to lie about who you are isn't something that most people cultivate. There a slight difference among the examples above, but I think Noecker in particular seems like he has serious anti-social tendencies. I suspect that someone like him doesn't have many actual friends because he doesn't have relationships with people who he doesn't manipulate.
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i have said it before, that it can be a reason, but isn't an excuse. and it someone with mental illness does something monstrous, it's because society has failed them terribly and has not provided them with the support, help or in really serious cases, the institutionalization that they need.
some people are too dangerous for society, and yet are not at fault. and society has a responsibility to deal with them, humanely and healthily.
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Oy, this is terrifying and depressing, and the phenomenon of 'macktivists' seems to be getting more and more prevalent as feminism has been getting more mainstream attention. I recently got an Okcupid message from a guy who went on about being a feminist, then made a rape joke in his questions. When I pointed this out to him he said "That's not a rape joke".
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UGH. I empathize with this so much.
That and, under any article about people being offended by something, some douche is there saying "I'm a feminist, and I'M not offended."
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This just goes to show that allyship is something you do, not something you are. No amount of parading around, declaring yourself to be a good male feminist (or a good straight queer ally, or a good white anti-racist ally) actually makes you one.
Also, Angela Dworkin? Do you perhaps mean Andrea Dworkin?
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