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ANNOUNCEMENTMUA Constructive Criticism Policy Poll Results (self.MakeupAddiction)

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[–]SlightlyAmbiguous 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (102子コメント)

I know this will get downvoted or deleted because this whole thread seems to be clearly leaning one way, but this new rule is definitely going to be the "straw that breaks the camels back" when it comes to contributing here for me and judging by other past discussions I know I'm not alone.

Apparently now women here MUST be forced to accept criticism from strangers here even if they'll never use it or want it. This subreddit goes on and on about "If you like it, rock it!" "Who cares what others think, if you love your look, go you!" Turns out that's not actually the case.

And all the top comments here acting so relieved and thrilled that forced criticism has prevailed? I just don't get it. Why are people so insistent on providing "criticism" to people who don't even want or need it? Even if you think to yourself "Everyone can learn and improve on their makeup!" that might be totally true, but that does not mean that every single girl who's happy with her looks or is content with her techniques is looking to learn. I have no idea why we can't just accept that if someone is ASKING for criticism that they want it, and if someone is content/satisfied with their makeup that they just don't want your advice. Why do you guys need a rule that lets you give criticism to girls who won't ever use it? Why would you be super happy about that?

This used to be a community subreddit to share makeup looks, get inspiration, discuss what we're all passionate about, show off our favorite makeup tricks and looks and styles... It's not r/givememakeupadvice... but now anyone who is content in their looks and not interested in strangers opinions is subjected to "constructive" criticism.

But newsflash, it's not "constructive" if the person is already content with their look and not interested in stranger's opinions on their makeup. You're going to just be throwing your opinions at someone who's already decided that they like their look. They're just looking for a place to share their makeup looks, which used to be totally cool here. And apparently the community has voted that this is no longer the place for that. It's just really disappointing.

[–]lululiya 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (3子コメント)

If you're already content, just ignore the CC and keep doing you. What's the issue here

[–]DanceyPants93Irish snowflake 85 ポイント86 ポイント  (51子コメント)

People can give CC, you don't have to accept it. And if you don't want to continue posting there are a multitude of other subreddits you might like. /r/selfies might be up your street.....

And people are thrilled becaus of the stupid bullshit arguments that have broken out because people feel the need to white night posters against CC.

[–]Mermelephant 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It sounds like you're very interested in strangers thoughts as long as they're complimentary. Or else why post at all?

[–]DearMissWaite -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To share things you've done, to critique products you're using, to talk about how you got the look. It's pretty simple, really.

[–]eisenkatzeEuropean drugstore addict 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't like forced criticism, so I felt like putting the CCW tag pressures people to give whatever advice they can muster, even if you don't really need it and just like to hear whatever. It seems to me that the options should be "I really need advice on this" and "discuss it if you like", which is natural on a forum like this. It is scary, but I believe the sub really errs on the side of politeness, so free discussion is alright.

[–]eyebrow_blues 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you raise a good point. It's good to have a forum where we can disagree in a civil way, and it's upsetting to me that people are downvoting what seems to be a well articulated point.

I think the main issue with CC that is given out presently (for me anyway) is:

1). It is often subjective. This sub actually does have a fair amount of weird/cool/avant garde looks posted regularly. And I have seen posters respond that the look is "unwearable" "unflattering" etc. It doesn't always happen, but when it does I roll my eyes a bit. If makeup is really supposed to be an artistic expression of individuality, why give people advice about how to look like everyone else?

2) This is a community of people who strive to improve our makeup skills, yes, but we should also be there to provide other normal social support words. For instance, I have also seen posts like "I'm having a good winged liner day!" In this case, CC on her foundation color, or contour being too heavy might be welcome, but the unsolicited advice might also be a bit of a downer (albeit if you have healthy self esteem, this probably isn't a big deal). I think those that are saying, "Oh just go to /r/selfies if you want praise" are missing the point. Posting pictures of a good liner day (or eyebrow day or lip day) are done for the same reason people post pictures of new brushes chewed up by a puppy, or new lipstick smashed into the top of the tube. It's a photo of something we can bond with that person over.

That being said, I think I am in favor of the new rule. I believe it will allow those who give CC to share their knowledge more openly. However, I think it is important to consider all the pros and cons as well.

[–]Penla 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Criticism: the act or art of analyzing and evaluating or judging the quality of a literary or artistic work, musical performance, art exhibit, dramatic production, etc.

Keep in mind "criticism" can be positive such as "wow, your brow shape is perfect for you!." People dont complain when when they get all positive comments/criticism.

I dont see what the big deal is when theres an overwhelming response from the people in this sub in favor of mandatory cc.

As long as its not rude, which was already stated more than enough, then there shouldnt be a problem at all. The whole point of this sub is to share looks and improves. Its not helpful for people to give praise to makeup looks/techniques when theres clearly something that can be done better. Coddling doesn't help anyone. You can be praised for a job well done while receiving a tip or two to be better. Isnt that what the goal is?

And the mods already stated that a CCNW option is available.

Overall, the overwhelming majority of this sub is in favor of this change and honestly, with the plethora of subreddits available, its impossible to please everyone and there are other subreddits available that people can go to to better fit their primary makeup needs.

But change for the better shouldnt be stifled because the minority will feel hurt by a small change that is clearly well thought out and prepared for.

[–]arghyemateyCool toned/blue eyes/brunette 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think the point is, it's the internet, and you are posting on forums where people discuss things. Like it or not, some people might criticize you- no matter what the "rules" are.

[–]superawesomecookiesHopelessly Addicted 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Go post to /r/selfies if you just want people to fawn over how pretty you are. This sub is about makeup and the discussion of looks and techniques.

[–]DruzyFox 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

If you're never going to use the advice then simply say "thank you" and move on. Nobody is forcing you to actually impliment any changes in your makeup, it's just friendly suggestions. Without CC, all this sub would be is "LOOK AT HOW PRETTY I AM, AREN'T I PRETTY? TELL ME I AM PRETTY"

[–]DearMissWaite -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's categorically untrue. There can be discussion of the products, the trends, application and technique. There's lots of conversations that don't involve criticism.

[–]BNSquashBlog: PrettyTrivialities IG: aiksasarual 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes, but all those discussions you are advocating must ONLY be positive about whatever OP's posted.

To actually be able to discuss the "products, trends, application and products" you need a balance of both "I like this because" and "I dislike this because" or else you get into a mind-numbing false-praise circle-jerk where nothing is actually discussed and no one learns anything.

You cannot have a real discussion about anything if you are banned from half the argument - the CCW rule is really about opening the other (negative) side of opinion up for discussion.

[–]DearMissWaite -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, but all those discussions you are advocating must ONLY be positive about whatever OP's posted.

Not at all. You can discuss how you don't care for one of the products the OP has used, and maybe inquire as how his or her experience is different. You can ask what inspired the look. You can do lots of things to further the discussion without inflicting an unwanted judgment on someone who just wants to show off his or her work.

[–]BNSquashBlog: PrettyTrivialities IG: aiksasarual 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fair examples, but by banning all but completely positive words still excludes at least half of all possible discussion, which I personally find idiotic (to be clear I don't find you idiotic, just the concept).

[–]hblb229 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Personally I think that personal preference items aren't cc. They're just c. Like another user posted that she didn't like nude lips. It wouldn't be cc to say "I don't like nude lips, try a wine shade next time." But it would be cc if OP said she was going for a dramatic look to say "a nude lip says daytime to me. Maybe a wine color would be more dramatic." Kwim?

[–]wendeelightful 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't feel too strongly one way or the other about the CC issue but you've raised a really great point. If you're giving CC to a person who you know does not want and will not use it...what is the point? What are you trying to achieve? It's a waste of time and energy when there are plenty of people here who DO want CC and aren't getting it.

Most of the time the only posts I see that don't have a CCW tag are front page posts from well-known users. It almost seems to me like some of the people psyched to force CC on posters don't have a genuine interest in helping others but rather want to knock the "popular" people down a peg.

[–]DevilsCandyCane 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Also prepared to be downvoted, but I completely agree. The issue as I see it is that many people who ask specifically for CC don't get it, they get downvoted and no one says anything useful - this issue is voiced time and time again, and this new ruling does bugger all to address that genuine issue.

All this does is - as you said - thrust tons of unwanted opinions on people who just feel like going, 'Here's something I made, I think it's cool'. If I wanted CC, I would ask for it, aimed at the specific area of my concern - CC wanted on lip colour, brows, blending, etc etc. Whereas now we wholly remove 'cc wanted on...' from the equation, and create a culture where random strangers' opinions are wildly tossed at you, no doubt making people doubtful and insecure about all manner of things they were previously quite happy with.

Not everyone can just brush off unwanted opinions, some people are more sensitive than others, or they're more unique in their style choices and happy to remain so. Previously, CC was a choice you made. Why are we taking away people's choices, in any matter? I haven't heard a single good reason for this ruling, it seems crazy to me O.o

[–]lynxnlokiHopelessly Addicted 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

a culture where random strangers' opinions are wildly tossed at you

This is the internet. It's reddit. If you want an inclusive, private forum where you control who comments and who doesn't, there are ways to do that. Reddit isn't the best place for that. A traditional forum would suit your needs a lot better if you cannot read over or skip past other peoples' (very benign) comments.

Previously, CC was a choice you made

The choice that you're making is to post on an open, public forum online. You can't choose other peoples actions, you can only make decisions for yourself in this case.

I mean, have you even browsed the rest of reddit? Have you seen youtube comments? There is a lot worse shit out there than unwanted constructive criticism. How do you deal?

[–]mycatsaysmeow -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I'd like to emphasize a few points I agree with you on, because this down voting is absolutely ridiculous and I think you're making valid points.

Would anyone here feel comfortable with a stranger walking up to them on what they thought was a good makeup day, and being told some aspect of their face's appearance needs fixing? Of course not, because giving people unsolicited advice is rude. Even on the Internet. Of course you can be rude on the Internet and get away with it, but that doesn't make it any less rude.

I get it, all our makeup skills can be improved. But sometimes you want to celebrate a new product or a new technique and people giving cc on a part of the look you didn't focus on or bother to perfect is unnecessary. Sometimes it's nice to celebrate makeup achievements without worrying about the next thing we need to fix. Default CC makes that difficult.

People are saying just post on /r/selfies. Probably useless advice, I doubt people would actually take notice of my makeup application on /r/selfies. People post here for makeup looks, not just any selfie. Also, I joined this sub because it was a place where I could see a mix of things: new products, passionate discussion, looks that need work, and looks that inspire me to try something myself. Forcing people who post to accept cc essentially eliminates 1/4 of what I liked this sub for. There is a dedicated sub to makeup up improvement, already, so I don't get why this one has to be forced in the same direction. There's a variety of posts here, how about just don't look at selfie posts.

Finally, people are saying to just ignore the cc comments you don't like, but that's also useless. You can't un-see things and all it takes is one comment, pointing out something you thought looked nice, to create insecurity. If someone is prone to self-esteem issues, "don't take that criticism" means absolutely nothing. At least "don't click on posts you don't like" doesn't impose your thoughts on an unwilling person.

I don't see how this decision makes this subreddit better, since you could always ask for help if you want it, nor do I see respect given to the reasons 200 of us are actually against default cc.

[–]BNSquashBlog: PrettyTrivialities IG: aiksasarual 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (8子コメント)

If someone is prone to self-esteem issues maybe posting to a public online forum isn't the best idea?