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Disappointing news about The Order: 1886 (self.SRSGaming)

Pawkette_Heals が 投稿

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I don't know if I'm the only one who's been looking forward to The Order: 1886 but after reading the description on the ESRB website I have to say that I want to cancel my pre-order. I'm so sick of games feeling like they need to shoehorn in sexy scenes for the sake of something.

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[–]murder-slingshot 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I do get disappointed by this stuff. It's just awkward and weird. The worst case I can remember might be The Saboteur offering uncensored nipples at a club as a pre-order bonus.

There is also a fleeting depiction of male genitalia in the game.

Scandalous!

[–]Pawkette_Heals[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm just sitting here talking to one of my fellow game devs... He's basically attributing this sort of stuff to penis-first thought processes. I just can't believe that a whole team of people was like: "You know what, I think this brothel and sex scene is perfect for the game!"

At least 60 people had to have said that.

[–]2DE 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't get it. With so many opportunities they choose this ? What abo- no we need bewbz

[–]Pawkette_Heals[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's basically my reaction too 💀

[–]KingofburgerzFormer Penny Arcade Apologist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm expecting Ride to Hell retribution levels of awful from this.

[–]bradamantium92 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

What is it with brothels? Is it the Victorian steampunk setting that, as Dishonored established and Thief upheld, must have brothels? It's so strange. At least in Dishonored it kind of made sense and was fleshed out as a unique area with its own background, but in Thief (and, by the sounds of it, here) they could've replaced the brothel with a warehouse and it wouldn't have made any difference.

I really would like to hear the explanation behind what makes brothels such a tantalizing backdrop.

[–]toteslegityo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Are you aware of just how common prostitution was in Victorian England (More specifically London)? Not having prostitutes in a setting inspired by Victorian themes is about one the same level as having a setting inspired by the Hellenic period and Greek mythology without slaves and hoplites.

Prostitution is an ever-present theme in Victorian literature, political decisions (Yes), and any honest historical examination of the era. Prostitution was one of the few ways women could earn a living wage and get to keep their money that wasn't factory work (And factory work did not always provide a living wage) and so was a very popular career path.

Edit: In fact the preponderance of prostitutes in England and the intense societal focus on that profession was directly responsible for a large part of the history of the burgeoning women's liberation movement in England (And the initial sexual puritanical nature of said movement). Things like the Contagious Disease Act, which was one of the big feminist talking points at the time, was a direct response to prostitution.

[–]bradamantium92 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's not a theme in these cases, it's a backdrop. And an unnecessary one. Plus, the historical argument is (as ever) pretty weak considering the games I talked about also incorporate magical whales whose fat powers everything, mystical artifacts capable of wiping out cities, and mutants killed by a secret order of railgun-wielding knights.

These games aren't "honest historical examinations," or really much more than pure pop with some good play mechanics. They could just as easily skip brothels full of tits and ass out in the open as they skip half the reality of what they're based in. And I've read/watched/played plenty of stuff set in a Victorian-inspired era that didn't have a scene set in a brothel. My first reaction wasn't "Gosh, how could they have missed on such an omnipresent aspect?"

[–]toteslegityo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

What I want to know is why you have to justify sex, but shooting people with weapons that literally liquify people is a-okay. Especially given that sex is such a common part of the human experience, something which everyone has to content with in some way (Even asexuals are confronted by sex because of its cultural prominence), while violence is something that we normally shun.

I am not saying the games are honest historical examinations, I'm saying if you read ANY historical examination that is even remotely honest about Victorian London they will mention prostitutes, if you read Victorian literature there's a good chance it will feature prostitutes, and so on. I am also not saying that all things set in the period, or inspired by the period, must have prostitutes, just as I'm not saying all things set in Greece before the Roman conquest should have hoplites, togas and Corinthian helmets, but those are still things which are intrinsically connected to the setting. Not having them there because of your cultural views on sex is perfectly okay, but one should not fault people for having them there.

You can say they could just skip it and the rest of the historical aesthetic. Which is, of course, true, but then why use that setting? Because you like top hats? The victorian setting is usually used in a way that portrays hypocrisy and inequality, and brothels are an easy way to introduce that.

[–]bradamantium92 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What I want to know is why you have to justify sex but shooting people is completely okay.

The setup is a group of near-mythical knights fighting mutants threatening to overtake the city, so the violence makes sense there. Nothing about that scenario necessitates the sex trade as a backdrop.

You can say they could just skip it and the rest of the historical aesthetic. Which is, of course, true, but then why use that setting?

I just don't think unnecessary nudity set in a brothel is really a component of the Victorian ~aesthetic.~ Some ladies of the night outside a seedy inn? Yeah, sure. Some weird voyeurish depiction of sex, naked women hanging around in the background? Not as much. There's a fine line between authenticity and titillation in this case, and I've yet to encounter a game that falls on the right side of that line.

[–]toteslegityo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You asked for a justification for why there would be prostitutes in a Victorian setting , I have told you. I am not going to argue about the actual depiction in this specific game. Fact of the matter is that the Victorian setting is interconnected with prostitution. Arguing against that is arguing against reality and thus rather pointless. As such featuring it makes sense if you are going to be using a Victorian setting.

[–]OthelloNYCGAMERA IS A SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIOR 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was already disappointed that this was pretty much a linear story based game offering nothing new, I guess this seals the deal of my lack of any interest.