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AllI was one of the people chanting “Melee!” after Sm4sh GFs. This is what I have to say. (self.smashbros)
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[–]NoMudkip -23 ポイント-22 ポイント-21 ポイント 5 時間 前 (61子コメント)
Bottom line--people were tired, people had work the next day, people were worried about their favorite players’ energy levels, people who had nothing against Sm4sh were just excited for Melee.
That's literally all you had to say.
They forced Melee players to sit through Smash 4, completely disregarding their feelings and overall well being. The TO's need to be held accountable for how fucking horrible that is.
[–]code_bread 34 ポイント35 ポイント36 ポイント 5 時間 前 (38子コメント)
They forced Melee players to sit through Smash 4, completely disregarding their feelings and overall well being. They forced Smash 4 players to sit through Melee, completely disregarding their feelings and overall well being.
They forced Melee players to sit through Smash 4, completely disregarding their feelings and overall well being.
They forced Smash 4 players to sit through Melee, completely disregarding their feelings and overall well being.
It's almost like...
this could go either way.
[–]code_bread -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 5 時間 前 (15子コメント)
also lol @ "well being".
Melee players goin' die if they don't watch Melee.
[–]CynicalTree 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 5 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Melee took until 3am or later...
[+]code_bread スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント 5 時間 前 (1子コメント)
The witching hour?! I stand corrected.
[–]45flight2 17 ポイント18 ポイント19 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
adults have to work and the roads were dangerous, maybe you didn't realize
[–]Decimator85 -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 5 時間 前 (11子コメント)
I dont know if you live in new jersey but my life was quite literally on the line. The tournament went way past the scheduled time and my car is terrible in the snow. Say what you will about either community but the TOs were responsible for a lot of built up frustration from people who werent even sure they could get home safely if smash 4 took any longer.
[–]CarlCaliente 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 4 時間 前 (1子コメント)
The hyperbole is getting fucking ridiculous. I'm on the melee side of all of these arguments but jesus christ, the TO's are not responsible for the winter storm nor are they responsible for your shitty car.
[–]Gold_Jacobson 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Haha.
Took the words out of my mouth.
[–]code_bread 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 4 時間 前 (3子コメント)
The TO's made the mistake of giving sm4sh too lenient a ruleset, but I don't see how they could have just booted sm4sh off the stage because it was taking too long.
[–]Decimator85 -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 4 時間 前 (2子コメント)
As a whole, many matches for all games took far too long to start, and Smash 4 shouldn't have had Bo5 for loser's quarters.
[–]code_bread 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 4 時間 前 (1子コメント)
That's the ruleset. And I agree that the TO's made a terrible one. But it's the rules they used and after they realized that they made a mistake, it was too late. They couldn't kick the sm4shers off stage.
[–]Jmac | 1865-1222-7961Vid-szhite -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 4 時間 前* (3子コメント)
Does the snow not start until 3 AM? If everything had gone according to schedule, Melee still would have ended at midnight. You have no way of knowing if anything would have been any safer. If it really gets that dangerous that you could die, you always have the option to go home early and watch it on stream like the rest of us.
[–]ruiwui 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 4 時間 前 (2子コメント)
It says in the OP that the storm was forecast to hit at 1am
[–]Decimator85 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Which would have easily been late enough to get back home safely had the tournament gone according to schedule.
[–]Jmac | 1865-1222-7961Vid-szhite 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
my b
[+]TenRobots スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント 4 時間 前 (10子コメント)
But they could have had the top 8 on a different stage. That way nobody has to sit through anything they don't want to
[–]TheDetective007 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 4 時間 前 (8子コメント)
They can't really do that due to some players participating in both Top 8's such as M2K.
[–]TenRobots 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4 時間 前 (3子コメント)
M2K didn't make top 8...
[–]TheDetective007 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
But it could happen. M2K very well could have, and other players too, so they can't have both Top 8's going on at the same time.
[–]Jmac | 1865-1222-7961Vid-szhite 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 4 時間 前 (1子コメント)
D1 was scheduled to commentate both games. He can't be in two places at once.
[–]TenRobots 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
That's a bad idea though. And D1s commentary really suffered for it
[–]CarlCaliente -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 4 時間 前 (3子コメント)
You can schedule around that, its not difficult. Or worst case you have to delay one series or the other. But I'm much happier with a 20-30 minute delay over a 4-5 hour one.
[–]TheDetective007 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 4 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Not to mention this would split viewership, which is a poor decision on nearly every party. I enjoy watching both games, and don't want to keep switching streams to see them both.
[–]CarlCaliente 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 4 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Not to mention this would split viewership, which is a poor decision on nearly every party.
I don't think its necessarily a poor decision. Viewer counts would probably be higher overall. There are benefits and drawbacks.
I enjoy watching both games, and don't want to keep switching streams to see them both.
I don't enjoy both games, and I don't want to sit through games I don't enjoy.
That's kind of what this whole fuss is about - there is quite a variety of interests here and everyone is debating/trying to figure out where to go from here. In the end I think TO's will see a bigger benefit from combining everything and I doubt anything will change, but its an interesting discussion to have.
[–]TheDetective007 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Very true maybe they could do a test run for a lesser scaled tournament to see how it goes? In the end though, it is impossible to please everyone.
[–]code_bread 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
This is super. Would have solved all kinds of problems. Actually would have avoided them to begin with.
[+]NoMudkip スコアが基準値未満のコメント-13 ポイント-12 ポイント-11 ポイント 5 時間 前 (10子コメント)
It could go either way. Great observation. But it didn't. So, what's your point?
[–]Jmac | 1865-1222-7961Vid-szhite 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 4 時間 前 (1子コメント)
The point is, if the situations had been reversed, and Melee had gone first as the Melee fans had wanted, just as many people would have been slighted. They just wouldn't have been Melee players.
D1 was commentating both games, and M2k was in top 8 of both games as well. There was literally no way to do both at the same time, and as long as we have people reaching top 8 of both games, it's likely that there never will be.
[–]NoMudkip -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
So what? It would still be bad. Why are you saying this? Are you trying to say S4 players aren't as valuable as Melee players? I'm confused.
Commentary doesn't matter. But good one. I'm glad someone actually found an argument.
Yes, I can see how multi game players can cause issues, but don't they already? I actually saw a lot of people trying to blame M2K for S4 delaying the schedule. I don't agree with that, but eh.
It seems to me like they really need to better lengthen time or make the games play out on different days. Something needs resolved.
[–]code_bread 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 5 時間 前 (7子コメント)
Melee players wanted to put sm4sh players in the same situation that they were in.
My point is, everyone here is babies and you all talk too much.
[+]NoMudkip スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント 5 時間 前 (6子コメント)
who and where's your proof
[–]code_bread 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 5 時間 前 (5子コメント)
You wanted their game to end so you could have your's happen. I think the "melee" chant is proof enough of that.
[–]NoMudkip -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 4 時間 前 (1子コメント)
You
I was actually enjoying S4.
[–]code_bread 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Alright, not you then. You've totally proved me wrong. I admit defeat.
[+]Smoothtroopah スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント 4 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Yes. Because Sm4sh is shit. Put it on another stream far the fuck away from me. The game is literally based on waiting out the timer.
lol
[–]NNID: GiygasNightmare FC: 2449-5132-0352ParusiMizuhashi 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 43 分 前 (0子コメント)
8/8
[–]Oshtoby 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
The TO's need to be held accountable for how fucking horrible that is
"Fucking horrible?" Holy shit. You're acting like they just sent all the Melee players to concentration camps.
[–]TheDetective007 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 5 時間 前 (19子コメント)
But it would have been okay to force Smash 4 players to sit through Melee, disregarding their feelings and overall well being? Just be thankful the tournament even happened. The TO's worked their asses off and had to work around one of the worst things that could have happened to them. Show some respect.
[+]NoMudkip スコアが基準値未満のコメント-22 ポイント-21 ポイント-20 ポイント 5 時間 前 (18子コメント)
But it would have been okay to force Smash 4 players to sit through Melee, disregarding their feelings and overall well being?
No.
Just be thankful the tournament even happened.
Go fuck yourself. You can be "gr8foll" all you want. I'll point out the flaws in the world, thus actually trying to change things for the better.
Show some respect.
You show some respect by coming up with better arguments.
[–]TheDetective007 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 5 時間 前 (11子コメント)
People like you on this reddit are further shoving away outsiders from coming into this community. The TO's don't need to be held accountable for anything. You're complaining and attacking of the TO's won't change a thing.
[+]NoMudkip スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10 ポイント-9 ポイント-8 ポイント 5 時間 前 (10子コメント)
The TO's don't need to be held accountable for anything.
Why not? Put up an argument.
[–]TheDetective007 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 5 時間 前 (9子コメント)
If you didn't notice the first day of the tournament had to be cancelled due to the whole fire marshal incident. Thus shortening the time and forcing the TO's to scramble and come up with a new plan. Yeah so Smash 4 lasted a bit longer than anyone expected and Melee started a pretty late, but the TO's did all they could to fit Pools and brackets in 2 days. So Melee fans need to quit flaming and blaming the TO's and Smash 4, because the tournament was still damn amazing.
[+]NoMudkip スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10 ポイント-9 ポイント-8 ポイント 5 時間 前 (8子コメント)
If you didn't notice the first day of the tournament had to be cancelled due to the whole fire marshal incident.
Since you started with this, I can dismiss your entire paragraph with:
If you didn't notice, it was a disaster.
[–]TheDetective007 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 5 時間 前 (7子コメント)
It was a disaster and they bounced back from it. What more do you want from these guys?
[+]NoMudkip スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10 ポイント-9 ポイント-8 ポイント 4 時間 前 (6子コメント)
To not fall asleep before the event finishes at 2(?) AM.
I never even saw an official apology. From what I've seen, the opposite happened. They blamed the players for getting mad that they were being treated poorly.
[–]TheDetective007 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 4 時間 前 (4子コメント)
I have not heard of them being treated poorly. The TO's have a right to get defensive when a ton of people have been attacking them on social media, when all they did was try to make the best of the situation and fit the tournament into the time constraints. I'm not sure running the tournament super late is treating them poorly, especially when the players and spectators could just leave if they're honestly scared their lives might be in danger.
[–]Battleaxe19 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 21 分 前 (0子コメント)
You dont deserve an apology though.
[–]Ratt 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 5 時間 前 (4子コメント)
I agree with you, but there's no need to get heated in a forum like this.
[+]NoMudkip スコアが基準値未満のコメント-19 ポイント-18 ポイント-17 ポイント 5 時間 前 (3子コメント)
People will be shown as much respect as they show me.
[–]AegisOfCognition 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 5 時間 前 (2子コメント)
good luck getting any because we sure as hell aren't giving it to you
[+]NoMudkip スコアが基準値未満のコメント-16 ポイント-15 ポイント-14 ポイント 5 時間 前 (1子コメント)
I couldn't care less what respect people give to me.
[–]AsterBTT 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
So your policy is to respect those who respect you, but act disrespectful in the first place? That's actually hilarious. I'm genuinely concerned and morbidly interested in how you FUNCTION in the real world.
[–]Battleaxe19 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 22 分 前 (0子コメント)
You dont have an argument at all either... why are you even here?
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