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My answer to DIBS: shoveled out 5 spaces in my neighborhood this morning on my day off. Will do more this afternoon. Public parking is public. (imgur.com)
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[–]Wood_Ape -41 ポイント-40 ポイント-39 ポイント 9 時間 前 (34子コメント)
People here might not like me for saying this, but whatever. I think it's a dick move. Imagine having to dig your car out on Monday morning at the ass-crack of dawn in order to get to your shitty job. After a long day of work and having to fight your way up and down your street, you finally arrive to where you originally parked only to have found that someone took the spot. That's a pretty fucking shitty thing to have happen.
Now, I'm not saying people should be given dibs all the time or anything like that. What I am saying is that if you do the work to clear out a spot on a street that hasn't been plowed, you absolutely deserve to keep that spot until that street is plowed. The only people who should have a problem with this are people who poach a parking spot because it's been cleared already. Any compassionate human being would recognize the effort another human took and reward that person by not being a dick and taking the spot they dug out.
[–]chicago_bunnyRiver North 53 ポイント54 ポイント55 ポイント 8 時間 前 (8子コメント)
if you do the work to clear out a spot on a street that hasn't been plowed, you absolutely deserve to keep that spot until that street is plowed.
No. You don't deserve shit.
Change your hypo. You just worked the graveyard shift at your shitty job. After your long day of work and having to fight your way up and down your street, you are ready to dig out a spot to park in. Unfortunately, you see that the only spots without cars in them have been marked with dibs. Now you have to decide whether to risk having your car keyed by some maniac who suddenly thinks s/he owns a spot on a public street until spring.
Fuck dibs.
[+]gazunino18 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-35 ポイント-34 ポイント-33 ポイント 8 時間 前 (7子コメント)
My sympathies to all the 3rd shifters out there but if you clear a space, you have earned the right to hang on to it until the snow becomes more manageable.
As for your hypo, the graveyard shiter getting home to see all spots taken, forced to park further away, is just the other side of waking up to find your car buried and surrounded by more than a foot of snow. Not the funnest way to begin a workday.
[–]chicago_bunnyRiver North 34 ポイント35 ポイント36 ポイント 7 時間 前 (5子コメント)
if you clear a space, you have earned the right to hang on to it until the snow becomes more manageable
No, you haven't "earned" anything but the right to hope you find a spot somewhere, cleared or not, when you get back. The only way to "earn" a spot is to pay for one in a garage or driveway.
[+]gazunino18 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-23 ポイント-22 ポイント-21 ポイント 7 時間 前 (4子コメント)
Paying for a spot would not be earning it either, I'm simply paying for the right with cash. By digging out a spot, it is earned in the more, sweat off your brow sense. But this is becoming a discussion about semantics.
What is your aversion to dibs? Take note, I am also averse to it. I cleared several areas of my street on Sunday and yesterday and despite my better judgment, I did not place lawn chairs or what have you and instead of discovering that my neighbors where inspired to also man their shovels and get out and help so that all could park easily, the spots where taken and nothing had been done.
[–]chicago_bunnyRiver North 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 7 時間 前* (2子コメント)
I have lived in several neighborhoods where parking is at a premium. It is hard to find a spot any time of year, whether or not there is snow. Claiming dibs means a spot sits there unused, causing further congestion.
Take this example that has happened to me several times. I'm working or visiting family out of town when the snow falls. I come back to my street and there are empty spots, but people have claimed dibs. Am I just supposed to drive in a circle until spring? Chances are I'm going to have to shovel that spot or another one at some point anyway, since the plows stack snow up every time they go by.
I dig my spot out. I don't claim dibs. As a result, when it snows a lot, I might have to shovel a couple of times a day. It sucks, and I don't want to do it. But I'm also not an entitled asshole. Digging in winter is part of the cost of being a car owner in a city. Fuck dibs.
*Edit: a missing word.
[–]BehavioralLake View 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 7 時間 前 (0子コメント)
The other problem is that claiming dibs leads to a slippery slope.
Can you claim dibs when it snowed 10"? 4"? 2"?
Can you claim dibs if you did a terrible job shoveling out snow?
If you clear snow from your street, you're benefiting yourself by not having to struggle to turn into the street. You shouldn't be entitled to anything.
Dibs also leads to innocent people getting their cars vandalized. What if an unknowing driver parks in a spot that was previously occupied by someone claiming dibs (but the chair was either taken/thrown away/picked up by the city/etc.) and then gets their car keyed? Having a dibs system in place brings upon a host of problems like the aforementioned since there's multiple parties involved (dibs-claimer, people trying to park, anti-dibs, city employees).
[+]MrJigglyBrown スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント 7 時間 前 (0子コメント)
As much as I want to believe in dibs, I know that I cannot. It just sickens me when my trust fund neighbor drives her car into our neighborhood at 3pm yesterday, straight from her parents garage, and takes a (un-dibbed) shoveled spot. I know she has a right to do that, but fuck her lazy fatass.
[–]ThatsOneBadMF 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Paying for a spot is earning it. If you have a garage it's your private property. Street parking is public, and should be treated as such.
The tradeoff of not finding a place to live with a private space is that during the winter time you may have to shovel a little more than you want. Like you said, you either pay for the convenience with money or employ sweat equity in order to get a public space - maybe having to do it more than once.
[–]Big_Test_Icicle 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
you have earned the right to hang on to it until the snow becomes more manageable.
You have not "earned" anything nor does anyone else owe you anything as well for being a responsible adult and digging your way out of a spot to get to work. It is not like you are the only person in the city to be experiencing this.
[–]linds360 27 ポイント28 ポイント29 ポイント 8 時間 前 (13子コメント)
But here's the thing, in order to go to work everyone had to dig themselves out. Digging out your car does not make you a unique snowflake.
The fact that everyone with a car who works had to dig themselves out, means we're all equal and now all those spots are cleared of snow. You have no more right to a spot cleared of snow in February than you do in August.
[–]CaptOblivious 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 4 時間 前 (3子コメント)
No, that is just incorrect. Lots of people do the absolute minimum to get their car out, up to and including just driving out of the spot if they can.
[–]NotARealAtty 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I do the minimum because I have the foresight to pay for a covered spot every month. If you want you'r own spot then be willing to pay for a private spot. If you want to park in a public spot, then be prepared to share your spot with the public.
[–]linds360 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 4 時間 前 (1子コメント)
From my experience, those people aren't the ones who put stuff in the street to call dibs.
Those spots remain open until someone comes along and digs it out. They're basically "free" spots if somebody does the work to take them as they wait to park.
[–]CaptOblivious 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
depends on the people but the real point is that if everyone did their share of the work, the street would be clear and no one would need to call dibs.
It's the jerks that do nothing and then park in the spots other people worked hard to clear that cause dibs.
Personally I bought a house with a garage on an alley so now I get to help shovel the whole alley. Between the 6 houses around me 5 of us work together to do it, the 6th she's old and frail and we do it for her too.
[–]gravityplanx 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 4 時間 前 (3子コメント)
If that's the case, and if everyone used dibs, then everyone would take back the same spot and there'd be no conflict, right?
[–]linds360 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 4 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Or nobody uses dibs and things are just the same as usual. Everyone digs out their spots. Spots are open and are first come, first serve just like every other day of the year.
Please stop putting trash in my street.
[–]gravityplanx 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
This assumes that some people aren't complete assholes, willing to steal spots without having dug out one themselves.
Assholes exist, unfortunately. And I would never dream of leaving dibs stuff in the street forever. It goes straight to the dumpster once the streets are plowed.
[–]sciencemaster5000 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
If the only places people ever traveled were between home and work, then yes.
[–]MakeMovesBucktown -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 7 時間 前 (3子コメント)
here's the thing about your thing, there are special snowflakes: people with garages ....and they visit friends and work in areas where you gotta street park.
[–]R04RRRR 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 5 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Wouldn't they have to shovel a whole driveway then?
[–]gravityplanx -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 4 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Are you living in the same city as me? Every garage in my neighborhood drops directly onto the street.
[–]CarbineFoxJefferson Park 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
There are driveways in Chicago.
[–]bigharkEdgewater 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 8 時間 前 (3子コメント)
Dibs is never about waiting until the snow is plowed. It's about waiting until the easy parking comes back, and that means waiting until the snow is almost gone.
Nobody is entitled to make private property out of public property, but doing so for weeks at a time is the highest form of bullshit.
[–]gravityplanx 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Roscoe Village side streets have still seen zero plowing as of this moment. Simply driving through the neighborhood comes with an inherent risk of getting stuck somewhere.
Right now, it absolutely is about waiting for the streets to be plowed. Having a spot to go directly to means not driving up and down the neighborhood, getting stuck several times, and blocking tons of traffic in the process. Once the streets are plowed, that's no longer a factor, but right now it definitely is.
[+]Wood_Ape スコアが基準値未満のコメント-12 ポイント-11 ポイント-10 ポイント 8 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Where did I ever say it was alright to claim a spot for "weeks at a time?" I clearly said "until the street is plowed." I agree with you. Hogging a fucking space for several months is absurd and it is completely unacceptable. People need to stop seeing this as black and white, though. It clearly isn't. For a period of a few days, dibs is a perfectly fine solution to the problem of streets that haven't been plowed. Once it's been plowed, though, parking spots should become fair game again. Nobody should think that a spot is theirs long-term. That's just as dickish as waiting for someone to leave a cleared spot and poaching it, if not more. Over the short-term, though, it's completely acceptable.
[–]Mehrio27Albany Park 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 7 時間 前 (0子コメント)
"until the street is plowed"
AKA "weeks at a time"
[–]ReevoEvo 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 6 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Public property. Case closed. It's about time people got some exercise
[–]RtardsAllOfYou 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 59 分 前 (0子コメント)
Take the fucking bus if you can't afford a garage. Put your big boy pants on. So someone took the spot you parked in. Big deal, it's not yours. Until you pay the $1200/year in property taxes like I do on a freaking GARAGE you deal with the shitty street scraps and when I see your lawn chair out there I toss it in the nearest alley for the scrap guys.
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[–]_bump_it_up 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 7 時間 前 (1子コメント)
What neighborhood?
[–]Wood_Ape -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 8 時間 前 (1子コメント)
This is the inherent problem and why dibs exists. People treat strangers like complete shit in this city. It's a very high-strung area. There is a lack of compassion and consideration for your fellow man at play and that's the real problem. Dibs isn't a bad thing if it's done over short periods of time until a plow can come through. It's when people do it all Winter that it becomes a problem. If people weren't complete dicks to each other, it wouldn't be so bad. The availability of parking complicates things, too.
[–]linds360 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 8 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Dibs isn't a bad thing if it's done over short periods of time until a plow can come through.
Tell that to those of us who choose not to block off a spot we cleared while at work so that it wouldn't be unavailable to everyone else all day then return home to find zero parking anywhere near our homes/apartments because there's trash all over the street laying claim to public parking.
If people would just accept the fact that clearing spots is a normal part of life in Chicago and let the parking be first come, first serve as it is the rest of the year, we could all go back to not complaining about dibs and focus our attention elsewhere.
Finding parking is hard enough as it is in Chicago. Acting like assholes to our neighbors and making it that much harder makes me lose a little faith in humanity.
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