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What Holocaust Revisionists (Deniers) Actually Believe... (i.imgur.com)

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[–]wharrgarble -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (29子コメント)

Do you expect me to believe that photos of masses of starved bodies piled up in mass graves were photoshopped? Seems to be a lot of clear evidence of, at least, extremely poor living conditions for thousands of people which is bad enough. Sure they had all these amenities but depending on their health they probably weren't able to enjoy them after years in camp. This system went on for many years and things add up, deaths could easily go into millions though I don't really disagree that numbers could be exaggerated.

[–]RedditRevisionist[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (28子コメント)

The living conditions in the camps were actually quite good. The red cross were particularly impressed.

http://www.rense.com/general69/factua.htm

Here's a scan of the report:

http://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=18054

The dead bodies you see were a result of overcrowding and later disease at the end of the war due to an increase in POW populations and other prisoners, as the Germans simply didn't have the facilities to house them anywhere else. When the allies bombed the supply routes to these camps, the Germans simply couldn't handle the spread of disease due to a lack of medical supplies.

[–]tusko01 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Theresienstadt was a camp used specifically to receive the red cross. And other camps where the red cross was permitted to visit (they never visited Treblinka, Sobibor or Belzec) they were given tours of specific "sanitized" areas and not the whole camp. The red cross itself provided documents indicating the death of 300,000 Germans inside camps.

[–]wharrgarble 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (26子コメント)

so maybe they shouldn't have had such an insane amount of prisoners? Either way, it's a dick move. Jailing people just because they are Jewish is amoral. I understand that some Jews aren't the greatest of people and their history isn't sparkling clean either but it seems pretty clear that outright attacking a very old and longstanding religion is a bad idea on many levels.

[–]RedditRevisionist[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (20子コメント)

and just let prisoners roam free in Germany? or are you saying they should have killed them (a violation of International Law).

And in response to your sneaky edit, they made a deal with the Zionists (the Havaara agreement) to send German Jews to Judea, in return for relief from a Jewish boycott.

The Jews declared war on Germany before Germany had passed one 'antisemetic' law. They made their bed, so they must deal with the consequences of deportation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_boycott_of_German_goods

Judea declares war on Germany

[–]tusko01 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

deciding not to buy german goods, as a result of anti-semitist policies, doesn't really constitute "making their own bed"

[–]4to6 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

so maybe they shouldn't have had such an insane amount of prisoners? Either way, it's a dick move. Jailing people just because they are Jewish is amoral.

Yes, it was a "dick move" as you say -- but bear in mind that it was done by the Allies as well as the Germans. Obviously both sides considered such concentration camps necessary. Maybe we shouldn't just assume that we know better than they did what the situation was. Maybe the US really did need to inter Japanese Americans during the war. And maybe the Germans really did need to inter Jews during the war. Jews had declared themselves publically an enemies of Germany, don't forget.

[–]wharrgarble -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They did? Sources?

[–]tusko01 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, it was a "dick move" as you say -- but bear in mind that it was done by the Allies as well as the Germans. Obviously both sides considered such concentration camps necessary. Maybe we shouldn't just assume that we know better than they did what the situation was. Maybe the US really did need to inter Japanese Americans during the war. And maybe the Germans really did need to inter Jews during the war

concentration camps and japanese interment camps aren't really comparable. Don't start with this knee-jerk whataboutism.

Jews had declared themselves publically an enemies of Germany, don't forget.

No they didn't.

[–]spatimouth01 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I asked a German woman I know who's father was in the German Airforce during the war this question: How could the common population be okay with interning Jewish citizen's during the war? Her reply was that the government mostly targeted people belonging to Jewish groups who were causing trouble during the war and that they weren't forced to wear the Star of David, they choose to do so out of protest. From what I gathered, this is how most people in Germany today feel, but they're prevented from speaking in-mass due to the fear of going to jail.

[–]CynicaLiberaLeftist [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

That is why they made it a crime/