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[–]Kuro207 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (33子コメント)

So suppose that I believe that jews were herded into concentration camps where they subsequently dies of typhus and malnutrition instead of systematic murder. What changes exactly? Do I care whether the nazis were bastards or super-bastards?

[–]txstoploss 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

What you just wrote is a crime in several countries, that's the difference. The "truth" doesn't need laws, jails and guns to protect it.

[–]lumen-superius [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

That's scary to think about. What countries? Honest question.

[–]TheFaithfulZarosian [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial

The laws against "denialism" vary from country to country and surprisingly enough the U.S. doesn't have many laws against it especially considering our "friendship" with israel.

[–]LetsHackReality 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does the truth matter?

[–]Mierdaz246 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

The US had concentrations camps for german and japanese people. They treated them like shit. You must include them in your "bastard" classification.

[–]I_am_not_a_Raccoon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What if i do?

[–]Mierdaz246 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That seems to be a very coherent thing to do.

[–]tusko01 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

japanese weren't treated very nicely.

but comparatively, the had it pretty good.

[–]Lag_Killed_Ya_Not_Me 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Indeed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans

[–]4to6 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What changes is the facts. You do want to know the facts, right? What actually happened?

[–]RedditRevisionist[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (7子コメント)

World Jewry had already declared war and boycotted Germany (before Germany had passed any laws which may be deemed antisemetic), and so needed to be kept in concentration camps for the same reason why the Japanese were sent into camps in the United States, for security reasons.

Due to continuous allied bombings on supply lines, medicinal supplies as well as delousing supplies (such as Zyklon-B) weren't able to reach the camps in time, and typhus was able to spread into an epidemic. This is why the Germans shaved the hair off all the Jews, to prevent the spread of Typhus via lice.

[–]tusko01 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

World Jewry had already declared war and boycotted Germany (before Germany had passed any laws which may be deemed antisemetic

by 1933 jews had already been targets of systematic violence and anti-semitic propaganda. The murder of jewish shopkeepers in the late 20s, destructrion of synagogues, SA led pogroms in 1930 and 1931, hundreds of acts of vandalism and desecration of jewish graves...

or the 25 point plan written in 1920 which clearly targets jews. and states that now jew can be a citizen.

Yeah. Sure. No reason to be wary there.

And as if i an economic plan is really reason to throw everyone in prison and commit them to force labour... sure. right.

and so needed to be kept in concentration camps for the same reason why the Japanese were sent into camps in the United State

which reason is that? ignorance? stupidity? racism?

I don't see any demonstrable reason why Hirschel down the street should be sentenced to forced labour, starvation, violence, separation from his family.

Due to continuous allied bombings on supply lines,

Oh those damned allies. It's all their fault.

medicinal supplies as well as delousing supplie

Yeah, things like food and medicine were being pushed to the front lines for soldiers. You know, the soldiers leading an murderous, aggressive and destructive war.

[–]RedditRevisionist[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You may disagree with their methods, but times are tough in a war, in which most revisionists believe was forced on Germany, who was not an aggressor. But that's beside the point. The point is, revisionists deny there was any order to murder all jews, and the costly process of keeping millions of them housed in concentration camps during the war would have been temporary. And considering most Germans were dying on the front lines to defend the fatherland, the jews spent most of their time reading books in the library, being fed with a guaranteed meal in relative safety and a few hours of manual labour. They didn't have an easy life, but compared to dying in the snow in the Ukraine, they had it pretty good.

[–]Pvt_Hudson_ [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

the jews spent most of their time reading books in the library, being fed with a guaranteed meal in relative safety and a few hours of manual labour

Literally the dumbest thing I've ever read....so...um...congrats I guess.

[–]tusko01 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You may disagree with their methods,

Of course i disagree with their methods. I disagree with summary execution, extrajudicial murder, arbitrary imprisonment, forced labour, paranoia, racism....

in which most revisionists believe was forced on Germany, who was not an aggressor.

And that's of course why "most revisionists" have no academic merit.

and the costly process of keeping millions of them housed in concentration camps during the war would have been temporary

Right, temporary. Because then they killed them.

the jews spent most of their time reading books in the library

A few kapo may have had access to a camp library, but that's not most jews.

They would have spent their time working, starving and afraid for their safety.

being fed with a guaranteed meal

Right, some meager rations so they could continue to work, and once the were no longer useful they were executed.

in relative safety

Relative safety? What kind of bullshit is this?

a few hours of manual labour.

Jut a few hours! Those wonderfully kind Nazis took it easy on them! They only forced them to work, under threat of violence, for no recompense, for just a few hours. How thoughtful.

They didn't have an easy life, but compared to dying in the snow in the Ukraine

That's an idiotic comparison.

[–]Kuro207 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ah, the allies actually killed the jews. Do to a lack of Zyklon-B. And the internment of Japanese Americans was just ducky. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

[–]dsk123 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would research the Balfour Declaration and Benjamin Freedman. Listen to his speech yourself and perhaps it answers some of your questions: http://youtube.com/#/watch?v=x8OmxI2AYV8

[–]ih8peoplemorethanyou [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Thank you for not only speaking facts, but also providing links too said facts. People around here don't understand what a fact is.

[–]iamagod_____ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Yeah, putting those massive swimming pools in was one major fuck you to the Jews.

We just want them to be able to enjoy one last dip before we bake them in nonexistent ovens and fake gas showers.

[–]RedditRevisionist[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Don't forget the theatres, free healthcare, brothels, libraries, soccer fields, etc

[–]iamagod_____ 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That would be simply uncivil to not let them fuck whores or play soccer before sending them off to the nonexistent steam rooms to be baked. Or to those fake portable carbon monoxide booths.

[–]collegeyak 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

provide proof there were theaters, brothels, libraries, etc. in nazi concentration camps please

[–]AHdidnothingwrong 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

A Tour of Auschwitz: A Swimming Pool, Soccer Field and Post Office

Jews Enjoying The Entertainment Facilities At Auschwitz

The Auschwitz Football Pitch (situated next to two large "gas chambers")

Jewish inmate talks about his experience in the brothel

Lets stop with the Auschwitz lies

Take a look at /r/holocaust for more

[–]collegeyak 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

none of those have any pictures of jews or other prisoners during the war using the pool, brothel, library, playing soccer in a field, etc.

[–]RedditRevisionist[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

In this video, Auschwitz inmates tell about their elaborate stage, with curtain rings and a grand piano, where they had plays and other musical performances. You'll see happy children playing in Theresenstadt juxtaposed with a woman telling about fun costumed children's plays in her Auschwitz block, along with arts and crafts activities, with beautiful children's murals painted on the walls. According to the official Holocaust narrative, all children were immediately gassed upon arrival! "Testimony" such as this is extremely important to cast doubt on the "factory of death" Holocaust promoters push. Auschwitz and Buchenwald inmates speak about being paid for their work in special currency, using their currency in camp cantinas and at the camp movie theater, receiving and sending postcards, and playing in well organized soccer tournaments.

For more: http://www.whale.to/b/holocaust_v.html

[–]Yserbius 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Theresenstadt production of the childrens opera Brundibar was a very well known story. Not sure how you extrapolate from that to what you're trying to say.

[–]RedditRevisionist[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

One of Hoess’ last major initiatives at Auschwitz seemed to be one of his strangest. An institution was created—one that seems utterly incongruous in the context of the previous history of the camp: a brothel. The location of this facility for selected prisoners could scarcely have been more prominent—Block 24, immediately next to the main “Arbeit macht frei” gate in the main camp. Auschwitz was not the only camp to have a brothel, however; in fact it was the fifth camp within the Nazi state to offer such a “service”.

Himmler had decided that providing brothels across the concentration camp network would increase productivity by offering “hard-working” prisoners (excluding Jews) an incentive to work even harder. He had ordered brothels to be constructed at Mauthausen and Gusen camps in Austria after an inspection as far back as May 1941 (they were finally opened in the summer of 1942). Then, in March 1943, he visited Buchenwald and demanded that another brothel be established there and also at other camps. His faithful factotum Oswald Pohl issued the necessary orders to concentration camp commandants in May 1943.

Auschwitz: A New History

Laurence Rees, 2005

p. 194,196,198

[–]tusko01 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So brothels were made where people were forced to prostitute themselves for the harder working prisoners (but no jews allowed)

How does that lend any credence to anything you've said?

[–]tusko01 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't forget the theatres, fr

The theatre where prisoners ere forced to put on productions for the enjoyment of guards

free healthcare

there were "physicians" used to be able to tell the sick-and-unable-to-work from the healthy-and-able-to-work.

brothels,

Forced prostitution for the enjoyment of kapos.

soccer fields

Oooh boy, amid the violence, starvation, forced labour and summary execution they had a soccer field for the healthier kapos to use! Clubmed over there!

[–]ButMuhHITLER -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If it weren't during a war, I would send my kids to Auschwitz. I am that confident that this genocide smear is what it is -- a money grab and a hoax.

[–]tusko01 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There was a swimming pool at a camp that was a repurposed water resevoir.

It was used by guards and kapos.

[–]I_am_not_a_Raccoon 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's still genocide and its still systematic. IMO