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[–]gjallard 274 ポイント275 ポイント  (18子コメント)

There is an old saying:

Men marry women, hoping they'll never change, but they do.

Women marry men, hoping they'll change, but they don't.

[–]CrisisOfConsonant 133 ポイント134 ポイント  (17子コメント)

I've heard it as "Men date women for who they are, women date men for who they can become".

If you look at the normal curve for a male or female's social curve it makes sense why we would do this. As a general rule women have more social currency in their youth while men have more social currency around middle age. This isn't even really sexist, it's just what each gender tends to value in the other.

[–]Tygeminator -7 ポイント-6 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Be careful with redpill thinking around here.

[–]Edgemere 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (5子コメント)

TIL sociology=red pill thinking

[–]Tygeminator 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It is funny, another guy claims its biology and that only a sociologist would care.

I'm just saying it is one of the tenets of red pill thinking. I find it strange that the subreddit is so demonized, yet most of the core beliefs are widely supported.

[–]Edgemere 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'll concede to the idea that the red pill is demonized partially because people don't want to admit that some of it is true, but you've got to recognize that the main reason it's hated is because it's one of the "things that's wrong with society". Like maybe you're playing the system but does that make it okay? If I tell you you can get free money from the government by lying on your taxes does that mean you should? Yeah some gals might respond sexually to douchey guys or whatever the redpill sells, but that doesn't mean you should choose to do so.

[–]Tygeminator 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think the main point is that women have sexual strategy and it is not all 'love'. They argue that one should counter sexual strategy with sexual strategy. Your point was wonderfully articulated by EMSK.

What I dislike about the sub is the macho bravado, the 'self-made' man and honor crap. Everybody is some Ayn Randian hero.

[–]CourageousWren 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Also the infantilization of women. "Just treat your significant other like a child and all your problems will be solved". Who glorifies controlling, domineering, patronizing behavior as the right way to act in a relationship. Thats fucked up and borderline abusive.

[–]Tygeminator -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I dunno about that. It seems to be pretty common relationship advice in general for both men and women. 'Train your man like a dog' etc. I just find it incredibly silly.

[–]CrisisOfConsonant 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (6子コメント)

If you think that's redpill thinking than you're going to be really offended by a lot of life.

[–]Sirit 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

If you don't think that's redpill thinking, then you have spent absolutely no time in that subreddit. This is one of their most basic tenets about how the dating world works.

[–]CrisisOfConsonant 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

But that doesn't make it redpill thinking. It's like believing in a higher power doesn't make you Christian. Being from Asia doesn't make you Chinese. Being a rectangle doesn't make you a square.

Just because redpill thinks something, even if it's pretty strongly agreed upon, doesn't mean it's redpill thinking.

Like say /r/redpill said something else really basic, like "most men like vaginas, most women like penises". There would be lots of people who agree with that basic tenant with out adhering to redpill beliefs.

[–]Sirit 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I see exactly what you're saying, but isn't that just splitting hairs?

The idea of relationship dynamics playing out like a marketplace where men and women exchange their forms of currency isn't some basic, obvious observation about life. It's a theory, one that happens to be shared by /r/theredpill.

The point isn't that /r/theredpill invented these ideas. The issue is that this exact theory is maligned and demonized when presented by /r/theredpill but upvoted and supported here. There's no other explanation for that except ad hominem attacks and other fallacious reasoning.

[–]npastore776 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

you sure do link to theredpill a lot

[–]Sirit 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol yea, it was a tongue-in-cheek reaction to /u/CrisisOfConsonant avoiding the link with /r/redpill

[–]Tygeminator -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not offended by this train of thought. I am just noting it is in line with red pill thinking.

[–]Just_Like_You 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Redpill? This is simple biology. Youth is an important mating factor for females of every ape species for both males and females. It just so happens that human females lose the ability to reproduce before males do, so their youth is more valued. I guess an argument could be made that it's sexist, but I'm not a sociologist so I have no stake in it.

[–]Sirit 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/theredpill bases its philosophy on evolutionary biology. You may object to their conclusions or question their assumptions, but this sort of thing is what that subreddit is all about. Seriously, that post read almost word for word like something I'd read in the red pill.

If that's the kind of approach you find appropriate for understanding relationship dynamics, you should look into the redpill more. Try reading the sidebar info. Hey, you might find you disagree with it, or even find it abhorrent, at the end of the day...but challenging your preconceived notions is still a healthy way to stay sharp and grow as a person.

[–]Fluffiebunnie 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It might change by the time you are in your 30-40's. But in the most recent centuries, women have been most desired when young, while men have been at their peak much later.

They need to "invest" for the future by taking benefiting from their advantage in youth.