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[–]kAy- 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (37子コメント)

Yeah racism is kinda crazy on that server. If you speak Korean it's even better because you can understand what they are saying. But basically the moment you speak some English the abuse starts.

[–]HitXMan 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (36子コメント)

Yeah I laugh when people think Europeans are more racist than Asians but Asians are by far the most racist group of people on the planet.

[–]splashbros 80 ポイント81 ポイント  (26子コメント)

That's racist...

[–]blusaranoob 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (24子コメント)

It's also accurate. If I say black on black crime rates are higher than black on any other skin pigmentation, it's not racist, but factually correct.

[–]Hypermeme [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Just because you state a "fact" doesn't mean you are giving anyone useful information. You need to understand the context of the fact to understand that fact's implications. Otherwise you have learned nothing but trivia.

[–]suicidalmoouky 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (5子コメント)

That is a fact because there's statistics that can prove it; saying Asians are the most racist people on Earth is not a fact, because, I think, it can't be proved. Hence, it's a little racist.

[–]TwoYordlesOneCup [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/03/21/a-fascinating-map-of-countries-color-coded-by-their-openness-to-foreigners/

I wish there as a more detailed map since America is painted as middle ground, but our local cultures vary widely so we'd be having different parts of the country exhibit different levels of racism. I'd imagine it's similar around the world.

[–]mitre991 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Especially since Asians are a large group and i'm sure racism differs from country to country, heck, with a country like China i'm sure it differes from city to city.

[–]pkfighter343 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't say racist, that word is overused for things that are lesser - more just a negative stereotype. Believing one race is better than another is racist.

To me, racism occurs when you use stereotypes or other things to justify hate towards an individual just because they are part of a certain race, rather than the individual's actions.

[–]Vezperia -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

everyone's a little bit racist <3

[–]hax_wut [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

No, it's just racist people who are racist.

[–]skabadelic[Young Spinach] (NA) 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Except it's barely accurate. Black on black crime rate is approximately 93%, while white on white is approximately 86%. The truth is, a very large majority of crimes committed are within the same race. It's actually WORSE that the white on white crime % is lower because that shows that whites are more likely to commit a crime against a non-white than any other race. So…basically, you're correct, but the misuse of the statistic makes you illl informed and the statement inherently racist.

Edit: basically, read a book before you talk shit

[–]lordlimecat -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Except it's barely accurate. Black on black crime rate is approximately 93%, while white on white is approximately 86%.

It is correct, and the whole point of his post was to demonstrate a fact that is factual despite being considered "racist". Im not really clear how he misused the statistic when he didnt even break out numbers; he just stated a fact.

basically, read a book before you talk shit

You clearly have an axe to grind; parent does not.

[–]Hypermeme [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Just because you state a "fact" doesn't mean you are giving anyone useful information. You need to understand the context of the fact to understand that fact's implications. Otherwise you have learned nothing but trivia. If you still don't understand it means that the statistic proves nothing without context and implication. Statistics and numbers can be presented in a racist way. That's just how deception and information work which is what you are doing by insisting that the numbers presented by themselves are not racist, when they are because you haven't explained why the stats are the way they are. You are implying a racist thing when in fact the stat does not imply anything racist at all when you look at its context.

[–]skabadelic[Young Spinach] (NA) -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Because when you present half of a statistic as a fact, it is incorrect usage of a statistic to benefit your argument. It's considered racist because it's not a valid argument without all relevant information.

[–]lordlimecat [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

He didnt present half of a statistic, he said a true thing. If I say "X is bigger than Y", you cant complain that Im misleading everyone because X is 10 and Y is 9 and theyre really really close; my statement is still true in every possible sense so it is not misleading.

What might mislead you is if you start reading all sorts of things into it that just arent there.

More than that though-- you apparently misread what he posted. He said

black on black crime rates (93%) are higher than black on any other skin pigmentation (7%)

-- which even you shouldnt have problems with. In your haste to attack someone for being non-PC you apparently failed to read his post.

EDIT: just going based on your numbers and the bit of spot research i did with bsj. Numbers not guaranteed. Warranty void where prohibited.

[–]pkfighter343 [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

Your statistic actually proves his point, I don't get what you're trying to get at here. What he said is right, he was using it as an example not opening it up for an ethics discussion. Facts can perpetuate a stereotype but they are not racist. Thinking that people of a certain race are bad because of that statistic is racist.

[–]skabadelic[Young Spinach] (NA) [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Using facts to perpetuate a stereotype is racist.

[–]HannPoe [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

But the facts are not racist in and of themselves, which was his point to begin with.

[–]lordlimecat [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Thinking that people of a certain race are bad because of that statistic is racist.

I think the people involved in the statistic are bad.

Perhaps its better to say, performing a character assessment of a generic member of a race based on a stereotype is racist.

[–]-Shank- 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Why is it worse that white on white crime percentage is lower than black on black? A crime is a bad thing no matter who it's perpetrated towards, don't somehow make a crime against someone of your own race more excusable and a crime against someone of another race less forgivable. Those are the type of racially divisive excuses we don't need.

[–]skabadelic[Young Spinach] (NA) [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

Because the statistic is used to excuse white perpetrators, or as a straw man argument. Most recently, it was used in the police shootings hat have cropped up and started major protests. The common straw man is, "why aren't we talking about black on black crime, that isn't heneral issue." It's not though. It's misleading, firstly, because it leaves out the information of white-on-white crime. Secondly, yes, all crimes are bad. That's not the point. The point isnreal the statement is used to victim blame blacks in America, saying their real issue is intraracial crime. However, if 93% of violent crimes against blacks are committed against blacks, that means only 7% of crimes committed by blacks against non-blacks. Compare that to the 84% of white-on-white. That leaves a 16% rate of crimes against non-white by whites. So, in conclusion, a black person is more likely to kill a black person. A white person is more likely to kill a white person. A white person is also more likely to kill a black than a black is to kill a white. However, to perception in society [a white dominate one] is that whites are to fear blacks because of their behavior. The statistics would say it is the other way around.

[–]-Shank- [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

A white person is also more likely to kill a black than a black is to kill a white. However, to perception in society [a white dominate one] is that whites are to fear blacks because of their behavior. The statistics would say it is the other way around.

Actually, that is complete bullshit.

Check the stats straight from the FBI. The homicides in 2013 for black-on-white were over twice as high as white-on-black, at least for the US.

[–]skabadelic[Young Spinach] (NA) [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

But the FBI consideres all Hispanics to be white, so their their numbers are not appropriate. It's a matter, mostly, of population and residencies. Because of institutionalized racism, a black or hispanic is more likely to live in a poorer neighborhood [which will tend to breed crime for numeracy reasons], and more likely neighborhoods within relative proximity. Essentially, the point is that you're more likely to kill who you live nearest, regardless of race.

But, I don't really want to go into this anymore on the league of legends subreddit that down voted me into hell for saying, "NA is racist too. I get racial slurs and racist jokes thrown at me frequently when I play lucian." You're right, R/lol. NA isn't racist, friend chicken, police and monkey jokes are totally hilarious.

[–]-Shank- [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

The statistics are broken down at the bottom of the page between "Hispanic or Latino" and "Not Hispanic or Latino." Also, it is worth recognizing that there is a considerable percentage of black/African descent citizens who are also considered Hispanic/Latino and thus wouldn't be included in the "white" category.

The accusation you made that blacks are more likely to be murdered by whites than vice versa simply doesn't stand up to cited statistics. As for the last thing you said, I don't know what you're trying to get at but please don't attribute straw man arguments to me when I've said nothing of the sort.

[–]Osamabinbush [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Crime rates and how racist a group of people are two very different kinds of claim. The former is quantifiable and hence can be factual or not but the latter is not so making the claim racist.

[–]IreliaObsession [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

And this is why people say there are lies damn lies and statistics. See other response for why this is blatant cherry picking and disregard to the big picture.

[–]teniceguy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

wrong

[–]turroflux 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Anywhere outside the western world is incredibly racist, they sure as fuck don't have anti-discrimination laws outside of the west. The concept of multi-culturalism exclusively a western notion.

[–]hax_wut [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

This is laughable. Try being not black/white in the western world, discrimination against blacks have become a taboo to westerners but discrimination against Asians are acceptable and even encouraged in some parts.

[–]IreliaObsession [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Yes the US has been a shining beacon towards are arabic friends this past 15 years. Also race riots have been a thing on and off for a long time here.

I mean even the canadians who are seen as very racially tolerant have been pretty blatantly racist to the indigenous people in very recent times.

[–]HitXMan -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is probably true.

[–]the-deadliest-blade [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

I didn't know that there was a hitler outside the western world... or an organisation like KKK... They don't exist anymore, but they existed in the western world. You giving lesson about how others are racist is kinda stupid. Those people i listed did way more harm than asians or other ethnicities. I'm not even mentioning slavery! I can go on and go on about how western world is invading other countries and killing innocent people. it's way more dangerous and harmful than just saying on the internet "Yankee go home" so please stfu and don't spew garbage

[–]DemLuckyCharms [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

It's definitely relevant to compare terrible groups of people from years and years ago to what we are talking about today. Don't act like terribly racist entities don't exist everywhere and are solely a production of western environments.

  1. Terrible racist extremists definitely still exist today and they are in all parts of the world.

  2. Slavery existed, again, everywhere. Not just the western world.

So please, follow what you yourself said, and don't spew any more garbage.

[–]za_wa-rudo -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd say Russians are more racist.

[–]andinuad -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, Africans are the most racist.

[–]Yosiema [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

tbh, they really are...