Interim report: contest mode enabled.

reddit1070 · 12 時間前

Thank you! It seems to be good psychologically.

SWVeering · 7 時間前

Contest mode goes against the very core of Reddit. Why should trolling/vitriolic/unsupported posts be treated with the same weight as those that are researched, logical and clear? This subreddit has become 4chan just without the t&a.

It seems like the ones who are getting downvoted on a regular basis are the ones stamping their feet the loudest and the mods have submitted to their joint tantrum. Mods, you've effectively let the voice of a few control the rest of us.

Why can't we take away downvoting or limit it and let the highest voted literally rise to the top? That way if users want an opposing view, they just scroll to the bottom to see the trolling/vitriolic/unsupported views.

SWVeering · 2 時間前

After conversing with /r/PowerofYes Moderator on the thread below

http://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/2tmubz/changes_to_sub_rules_no_more_posts_from_new/

regarding, IMHO, the clusterf*ck that is contest mode, this moderator suggested I start a new thread and and take a poll. Given that it was nearly midnight for me at the time of said conversation, I said I would look into it today. By the time I checked the sub today, I found in the same thread a link to a poll from another poster. I suggested to that poster that perhaps they could start a new thread and post the poll there given that contest mode was effectively burying the chance for redditors to even see it.

That user has just messaged me and told me that they did in fact start a new thread, posted the poll and it was subsequently deleted and then that user was blocked by Moderator /r/wtfsherlock

So what's up Mods? You tell me in an open thread that a poll would be a helpful way in which ALL users of this sub could participate in the way in which this sub operates and then when this occurs, you delete and then block? Explanation please.

chineselantern · 2 時間前

If threads collapsed into black holes would it be a better reading experiece?

ll2fan2 · 6 時間前

I trust you, Mod. Go for it.

dontthrowmeinabox · 48 分前

I'm not sure why you're conducting this experiment, other subreddits have tried this in the past, I'm sure. You should contact other subreddit mods/admins for advice on such things, so you don't upset the community in the process.

Longclock · 6 時間前

It has been a little confusing for me. However, I agree with your observation - it was a lot nicer here yesterday. I'm not a fan of it but if we can't be nice to each other...

ifhe · 6 時間前

I like watermelon.

Under the broken old system this would probably have been buried at the bottom as an irrelevant pointless comment, but I for one am glad that it now has equal standing with any other comment. I also like cheese on toast, and look forward to sharing my further food preferences with you all.

unbillable · 58 分前

On the plus side, I can get more done at work now because I have no reason to come here.

cupcake310 · 1 時間前

Rabble rabble rabble

w0dude · 2 時間前

Downvoted.

Yeroyyy · 1 時間前

Stop this madness!

victorysparkles · 4 時間前

If people are concerned about comments being hidden by low scores, can't they just learn to sort comments by "new" rather than "top" and change their user settings to see any comment score???

Visiting comment boards is difficult now - I can't see the natural course of conversation.

I understand mods volunteer their time and are tired of dealing with all the bickering so somethings gotta give and if contest mode makes the boards a nicer place and less stress for the mods there's some real benefit but I can't say I'm a fan at this time.

goliath_franco · 11 分前

I recommend to return to the regular mode, and moderate heavily as subs like /r/AskHistorians and /r/askscience do. They don't seem to have the same problems with personal attacks that this sub was having.

mcglothlin · 4 時間前

If I want discussion threads with no voting I can go to literally any other forum on the internet. The random sorting of contest mode makes this worse than every other forum on the internet.

I can't help noticing that basically none of the moderators moderate any subs aside from this one.

StupidSexyPhlanders · 3 時間前

Nut. Sledgehammer. Cracked.

Unfortunately the nut has shot off and rolled under the sofa. You have removed the essence of reddit here, and are flying in the face of its founding ideals. Reddit is truly a democracy and when mods do stuff like this I hear the sound of jackboots (I know I've just violated Godwin's law, but it's apt I think). Education of reddiquette is what's needed more than anything, this is just the definition of the cure being worse than the disease.

SD0123 · 1 時間前

I've stopped frequenting /r/serialpodcast since contest mode has been enabled and I probably won't spend much time reading and/or commenting unless it's disabled. The up-vote / down-vote system has its drawbacks, but overall the system works and it works well. Without it there's no sense of organization or structure in the comment section.

So, if you're looking for feedback, my response is that contest mode was a good idea in theory but from my perspective has failed spectacularly in practice. Regardless, thanks to the mods for attempting to curb the user-on-user abuse anyway.

cbr1965 · 3 時間前

This mode is actually helpful to me because it makes it easier to step away from the sub as a whole because I don't get drawn so easily. It was definitely a time sink before.

absurdamerica · 4 時間前

Just hide the tallies like /r/AskReddit and be done with it already. Everything else you're doing is a bridge too far, although I appreciate you trying to improve the sub!

tim_ballard · 6 時間前

Not feeling contest mode, it seems like a counter productive solution to a minor irritant.

UnpoppedColonel · 4 時間前

Just adding my two cents to say: without the ability to sort the wheat from the chaff, the utility of this sub (and reddit at large, since this sub is the only one I frequent) have dropped off precipitously.

Is the goal of the mods to provide a useful place to discuss Serial, or is the goal to stop the influx of new users who are diluting the "purity" of reddit, as interpreted by long time users?

TL;DR down voting is speech, too.

BDR9000 · 1 時間前

It's not perfect it but it's a worthy experiment. People often downvoted based on their point of view more than the quality of the post. I'd prefer children automatically be visible but so be it. I'll be interested to see how it affects the quality of the posting. And all the threats of leaving? Please! The core here are obsessed with the case. They'll need another bone before they're willling to drop this one.

Coffeeforthemasses · 6 時間前

I....don't like change.

lolaburrito · 1 時間前

Not being able to sort comments is ridiculous. I didn't see a problem with anything before, and I was certainly the victim of downvoting because someone disagreed. So what? I'm an adult. If people don't like something I have to say, I could not care less. If someone calls me a name or does something that really goes beyond acceptable behavior, I have the option to report them. What's the problem with the old system?

chineselantern · 3 時間前

Just have up-voting only - and show the score. Get rid of down-voting as it gives opportunities not only to punish people for bad comments (ones you don't agree with) but lets people act out their spiteful and revengeful side. It encourages retaliation and negative posts in return. On the other hand, up-voting only encourages people to write better posts, to try harder, to be more entertaining, illuminating, witty, informed so that they are rewarded with praise and positive feedback. It works as a positive feedback loop.

Also get rid of the collapsed hidden conversation threads. It's like endlessly searching for the beginning of a Sellotape roll.

youradhere4222 · 12 分前

This is awful.

veeceeonefive · 3 時間前

As others have said, the randomized sorting and collapsed replies diminish rather than enhance the quality of discussion. On the other hand, I do see some value in eliminating downvoting, because that function appears to be used, somewhat frequently, to marginalize controversial or dissenting views.

A longtime lurker, I joined solely to discuss Syed's case on this sub. I joined because I thought the quality of the discourse here was superb, generally speaking (some folks lacking in civility or brains aside). On any given weekday, I might not talk to a single person who is not a lawyer or a judge (sad, I know), so I think that is high praise, particularly for what is basically an internet forum.

So, maybe don't fix what ain't really broke?

Spid1 · 6 分前

This is absolutely awful. Sort it out otherwise you are going to lose a lot of users to this sub.

twisterfury · 2 時間前

If you have to turn off what makes Reddit Reddit in order to solve a problem with Reddit, you have not solved a problem, you have become one yourself.

smallflightlessbird · 5 時間前

Being able to sort comments according to their score is integral to the success of reddit as a forum. I certainly appreciate your efforts in trying to stop the vitriol and other nonsense on this subreddit, but it's honestly not worth it if it means breaking what makes reddit worth using.

There are a number of tools that can be used to halt abusive comments - the 'report' button, bans, and yes, even downvoting. I sincerely hope you'll consider turning off contest mode soon.

SmarchHare · 4 時間前

I'll add my voice to the list of people that think this is really annoying. I don't mind hiding scores, but the randomness and hidden replies is quite annoying. I imagine the reason people are 'behaving better' is that there's not really any reason to have a discussion.

Trapnjay · 12 時間前

I understand the issue, however until we see the scores isn't hard to tell if there is user abuse via the downvoting?

The collapsed comments probably keep a lot of the abusive trolls from commenting due to there not wanting to uncollapse them but I really cannot tell due to not being able see most post. On a thread of 300 I see 10.

Untilprovenguilty · 5 時間前

For me it is frustrating not being able to see whats new.

Slap_a_Chicken · 6 時間前

But this makes posts with over a few parent comments extremely difficult and time-consuming to read.

Trying to read comments in EvidenceProf's post yesterday was a nightmare, irrelevant and snarky crap that normally would have gone to the bottom clogged my view. Not everyone has an hour to hide the obnoxious comments and fine the good ones.

If you actually keep this going for a week, it's going to drive a lot of people away.

I_Wake_to_Sleep · 6 時間前

The randomness is difficult. I've been to this thread three times this morning and each time had to read through every comment to see what was new because it was resorted each time.

The collapsed comments also make if difficult to see at a glance which comments have sparked a long discussion.

I think if we're worried about over-downvoting then the the upvote-only option is the best way to go. Comments that are valued by the community will rise to the top, but others cannot be purposefully hidden.

janecc · 10 時間前

It's early in the experiment, but my experience is it makes the board difficult to read.

An advantage of the voting system is it's a non-confrontational way of stating a position. There are posts that deserve down voting - unsubstantiated swipes, unsupported allegations, ad hominem attacks, general vitriol.

Responding to those posts is a losing game - it encourages them. The downvote - well, downvotes them.

akanefive · 5 時間前

I don't know that this is a perfect long term solution - but I applaud the mods for trying to reign this in a bit. A topic of conversation like this is going to get emotional no matter what, and it's really easy to forget that we're all real people typing comments to one another. It's always going to lead to some charged exchanges, and I think a little more structure is appropriate for this sub.

litewo · 4 時間前

Why not just set the subreddit to private? That'll really cut out the abusive posts. Seems about as sensible as this.

whitenoise2323 · 3 時間前

I'm generally a paranoid person with an overactive imagination so maybe this is just my problem but... there were a few users on here that I'm sure were the bane of the mods' existence. They were the most heavily downvoted, created the majority of the friction and subsequent abuse, and a couple of them fought hard in favor of contest mode on the notion that they wouldn't be so downvoted.

Now that contest mode is in place I haven't heard a peep out them. Is it possible that they were here to poison this sub with whatever motivation and now that it's completely broken their job is done.

HiddenMaragon · 4 時間前

I like the voting system on posts. It gives me an idea of the public opinion and helps me read the quality and well thought out posts first. What bothers me is all the down voting of topics. 3/4 of the topics here are at 0 for no good reason or comment explaining why. It's like there are users who are down voting everything new that gets posted with no rhyme or reason.

GeekEekGirl · 3 時間前

I really don't like contest mode. I feel like the majority of the sub is being punished by the bad behavior of the few.

darsynia · 6 時間前

This is a dealbreaker for me and I bet a lot of other lurkers. This will drive away readers, but if all you really want is a bunch of true believers who will stay no matter what, go for it.

whitenoise2323 · 5 時間前

Has the amount of overall participation in the sub also dropped off precipitously?

spottedewe · 6 時間前

I don't care about seeing the votes but the randomness and hiding most of the replies has to go. It's annoying and makes this subreddit a pain to read.

asha24 · 4 時間前

How long is this trial period going to last? I was hoping it would just be a one day thing. Maybe the mods could just create a sticky post explaining that you can choose the way comments are sorted and set your preferences so that comments aren't hidden by down votes, that way the people who are so bothered can just change their settings.

User abuse has probably dropped off because there's hardly any discussion happening on this sub right now.

PlainHonestMan · 3 時間前

I like to see vote tallies of things I write just to give me feedback as whether people agree or not and how much.

This single number feedback was very interesting and useful, even when it read 0.

jayhaehaehae · 3 時間前

I'd like to add my vote for this being a terrible idea. With that said, I've spent hours less lurking on this sub than I normally would have, which resulted in doing slightly more productive things in the real world.

I also really enjoy that u/ifhe's comment "I like watermelon" is currently the second to top comment. This is not usually a sub I come to for a laugh, so that's refreshing. I would genuinely enjoy seeing more of people's food interests sprinkled throughout the comments while contest mode is in effect.

I really like fruity pebbles myself.

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