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[–]darwin2500 -15 ポイント-14 ポイント-13 ポイント 1 時間 前 (17子コメント)
For everyone saying how awesome Dora was for 'standing up to Faye' last week, I hope this sort of demonstrates that sometimes you should think about the consequences of your actions, even if you feel them to be righteous.
[–]Russano_Greenstripe 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 58 分 前 (7子コメント)
Dora didn't drive Faye to drink. Faye did that all by herself. She's responsible for her actions, not Dora.
[+]darwin2500 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント 47 分 前 (6子コメント)
Yeah, and anorexics are responsible for their actions, but if you notice that your anorexic friend is having a nervous breakdown because of a recent breakup (like, yesterday), and you tell them 'well, he probably left you because you've been putting on weight recently', you're kinda responsible for what happens next - or at the very least, you're a massive asshole.
[–]dtardif 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 46 分 前 (5子コメント)
I don't really think that analogy is applicable.
[–]darwin2500 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント-2 ポイント 38 分 前 (4子コメント)
Why?
[–]dtardif 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 34 分 前 (2子コメント)
In your example, you said that the friend told the anorexic that a boyfriend left them because they were putting on weight. Nowhere did Dora comment about Angus.
[–]darwin2500 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 30 分 前 (1子コメント)
No, she said that Faye was out because she's a mean and terrible person, which is what Faye fears is the reason Angus (and her father) left her.
So I guess the more direct analogy is your anorexic friend gets dumped, and the next day you tell her, 'I don't think we should hang out anymore because you've been putting on weight and I don't want to be seen with you.' That's technically more direct, but it's really the same thing.
[–]dtardif 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 27 分 前 (0子コメント)
Her criticism was directly exclusively at Faye's behavior at the workplace. If the workplace required that Faye be under a certain weight, and she was warned in the past, then I think the analogy would be fine, but that's not the case.
[–]spencer_ 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 28 分 前* (0子コメント)
Because Dora didn't say "Hey, you're a fucking drunk, go drink yourself to death"?
Edit: Also, because your anorexic friend doesn't disrespect you as a person and employer by showing up to work drunk, drinking on the job, doing things that s/he KNOWS are unacceptable. Had I caught an employee doing this, I would have given the exact same speech. It is not my responsibility if they continue to make their own mistakes after that, because I did not say "Go drink yourself to death." Dora's in no wrong here, despite the guilt she is going to feel for it.
[–]Sapharodon 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 55 分 前 (1子コメント)
Well, Dora did nothing wrong, that's the thing. Her employee was drinking on the job and had a history of on-the-site drunkenness, bullying other employees and general irresponsibility - that doesn't get a pass just because they're good friends. How was she to know what Faye would do next?
I mean, I really do care about Faye's character and really, really hope she gets better soon, but I still think Dora was justified in what she did. Faye needs to learn the hard way or she won't stop her drinking problems at all.
[–]darwin2500 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 48 分 前 (0子コメント)
Dora is justified for firing her, not for yelling at her about a bunch of other shit (which was disingenuous since Dora played along with/actively encouraged all those behaviors most of the time), and not for failing to check in on her or call Marten to let him know what happened or etc. when she stormed out in obvious distress.
If Dora had just made a business decision to fire her, and did so directly, then fine. But she got snappy and kicked her friend while she was down, then cut her off and ignored her when she should know there could be trouble. That's not ok.
[–]mawnck 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 37 分 前 (2子コメント)
I believe this would fall under the category of "consequences of Faye's actions."
Changing your behavior because the alcoholic might hurt themselves? That's what's called "enabling".
[–]darwin2500 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 34 分 前 (1子コメント)
If 'not viciously attacking your friends when they're clearly in a vulnerable state after breaking up with their SO yesterday' constitutes 'changing your behavior', then you're probably an asshole.
Which is my point.
[–]Astronelson 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 48 分 前 (2子コメント)
Even with this, I'd still say firing Faye was the right thing for Dora to do.
[–]jordanlund 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 39 分 前 (0子コメント)
I'm torn. Yes, she was drinking at work, but she came to work drunk. Her decision making was impaired from the get go.
If she had called in hung over it would have been cool.
[–]darwin2500 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント-2 ポイント 44 分 前 (0子コメント)
If all she did was fire Faye, sure. Instead she attacked Faye, basically said she was a terrible person who no one likes, at a time when that's probably the worst thing she could possibly hear, then did nothing to check on her or alert Marten to the situation when Faye ran out of the store drunk and clearly in some form of mental breakdown.
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