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[–]SavannaJeff 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Yeah, but the nazis in the subreddit will downvote and abuse anyone they disagree with. Kind of goes against the whole 'free speech' thing, at least /r/europe is open about what it doesn't tolerate. Of course, neonazis have never been the most welcoming bunch, but whatever. I think a lot of people are just turned off by the hate threads that seem to pop up time and time again. Incidentally, I never requested that I be unbanned, so why am I?

It's also quite a turn off that you guys so frequently link to other subreddits saying "look at what pieces of shit these people are". And then your userbase jumps in, starts attacking the people in those linked threads, and playing with the up and downvotes. Maybe if you guys focussed more on yourselves, instead of other places, you'd be better off.

[–]RamblinRambo3Finland 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, but the nazis in the subreddit will downvote and abuse anyone they disagree with.

You do this very thing yourself. Always pop up all over the place calling people racists or nazis etc. So if I was you I'd just shut up. The leftist victim complex runs deep in you.

Your own actions and complete ignorance towards... hell everything doesn't really make you hard to dislike. I can admit that you're easily the most annoying and dreadful person I've ever stumbled upon both online and in real life. Everything about you doesn't make it at all surprising that people cannot stand you.

As if that wasn't enough you really do seem to think that you're some special little snowflake. Always pissing and moaning about being downvoted, always thinking people follow you around etc. You don't seem to understand that maybe you just get downvoted a lot because your opinions and the way you "speak" to people.

[–]DivideEtImpera8Italy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Yes. That is true, not much I can say to disagree. However, we as mods try to make the place as welcoming as possible to anyone. That is why the downvotes were removed. Still, the subreddit endorses free speech. If we had more leftist users, then maybe the situation wouldn't be like that. We can't be open to thig we don't tolerate-because we tolerate everything. Some of our users don't, but there is very little we can do about that. Those threads do pop up, and everyone is free to post stuff. So post left wing content, it will not be removed.

Incidentally, I never requested that I be unbanned, so why am I?

Your ban expired. We had said that users would need to request for their ban to be lifted. The modmail is old so I don't feel like looking for it but if I remember correctly, we were having a discussion and I remember that I myself was supportive of lifting your ban because we had done is for others who hadn't requested it. So your ban as lifted because we decided it was the fair thing to do, seeing as we had done it for others as well.

It's also quite a turn off that you guys so frequently link to other subreddits saying "look at what pieces of shit these people are".

Yeah, to be honest, me too. I have never made such posts and retain from commenting on them. I also disagree with this, but some of our users like to post such content and there is no rule against it because free speech and all.

And then your userbase jumps in, starts attacking the people in those linked threads, and playing with the up and downvotes.

Now that is something that me and the other mods are strongly against. I don't know if our users do that because as I said I restrain from participating in threads about others subs. Yet again, there is very little we can do about that. It is against our rules and the reddit rules. We stand against brigading but again-it is out of our control. We actually urge the admins to remove users who brigade, and to understand that it is not the fault of the sub or the mod team.

Maybe if you guys focussed more on yourselves, instead of other places, you'd be better off.

We try. But Jeff, come on. You do that all the time. There are countless times you've commented on threads about how shitty we are. You have gone out of your way to hate on us on numerous occasions. Actually it is people like you that make more left wing users want to avoid us. So you're not an angel either. There have been numerous threads about our subreddit, mostly put into a negative light. For example I remember at least 2 threads on /r/SubredditDrama - a sub hat I have been subscribed to for a long time(before /r/european existed) and frequent rather often. Also, there is also this thread on /r/AskEurope(a sub that I have been a subscriber on also before /r/european existed). I actually saw this thread in /r/AskEurope first and then here but I did not comment on it because I didn't want it to appear like brigading from our mod team.

[–]SavannaJeff 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (12子コメント)

You do that all the time. There are countless times you've commented on threads about how shitty we are. You have gone out of your way to hate on us on numerous occasions. Actually it is people like you that make more left wing users want to avoid us. So you're not an angel either. There have been numerous threads about our subreddit, mostly put into a negative light. For example I remember at least 2 threads on /r/SubredditDrama - a sub hat I have been subscribed to for a long time(before /r/european existed) and frequent rather often.

I made one thread on SubredditDrama because that is the purpose of the subreddit, to find and point out drama. In this case, one of your more blatantly neonazi members, /u/zumt, was arguing with and abusing RR. Otherwise, I've only commented on /r/european when someone else makes a comment about /r/european in one of the subs I frequent. This is completely different to having a sub built around European affairs, but targeting users and threads to attack.

[–]DivideEtImpera8Italy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Oh yeah, zumt was a pain in the ass even for us. I personally never liked him. We even had to create a special rule for him. The /r/SubredditDrama thing is fair enough but you have also pinned shit onto us in several other occasions. You seriously seem to hate us and I don't really understand why. We're just trying to create a place that isn't a censorship like /r/europe. It used to be a good subreddit, I used to be a subscriber since it had like 15 000 subscribers.

And then I was banned, I'm still not sure why. I mean even by their standards and rules, I am not a racist or even a rightist. Like, wtf?

Besides we are not a Nazi subreddit. You just need to look at our mod team to understand that:

/u/RamblinRambo : Yeah, he's a rightist. But he's definitely not a Nazi in any way, shape or form.

/u/Evil_White_Oppressor : He's the most right wing of our mods. He is still not a Nazi. I personally disagree with him on many topics and am not a huge fan of his world views. But he has always done a great job moderating the sub. He has never banned or abused an user because of hi/her beliefs.

/u/erowidtrance : I'm not exactly sure where he stands politically but I can assure he's not a Nazi. He's not even a rightist. I think he's at the center.

/u/anjumahmed : Mostly here for the CSS but not even a rightist.

Me : I'm pretty left wing for this place but I would describe myself as a centrist. I'm as centrist as you'll get although if you ask the others they'd probably say I'm a leftist. Also, as an Italian, some people on this sub don't even accept me as white(/u/zumt).

/u/dweebcrusher : Guy is basically a socialist. He's seriously a leftist, and he's also not white.

[–]SavannaJeff 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

You seriously seem to hate us and I don't really understand why.

Hey, I tried to help you guys out at the beginning. I even applied to be a moderator. Instead, RR just appointed a bunch of people who have similar right-wing views as him. Hardly a great start for a sub that's supposed to want to include everyone. Then all my posts here get downvoted and ridiculed (who would want to stay in the fact of continued abuse like that). Finally, I got banned for something that was clearly unfair. I pointed out civilly, in an in-context discussion, that EWO had self identified as a racist. I was banned for personal attacks and disruptive behaviour. Then there are the threads that pop up all the time, talking about how "SavannaJeff is a faggot" or "does anyone here hate SavannaJeff as much as I do", or people discussing how I must be a "muslim arab whose purpose is to spread pro-immigration propaganda", or where I'm blamed by multiple users (including RR) for reporting threads and users to be banned, even though I've only reported a comment on Reddit once in my life. Or there's that you mods have tried to dox me, spreading what you guys presume to be my personal information amongst eachother. Or that the majority of the user base is filled with out and out racists, literal nazis, and white rights types.

You wonder why I hate this subreddit?

As to RR not being a neonazi, he advocates shooting refugees (despite how he's tried to backtrack, he was even in the original thread talking about how a few lives lost might be worth it), hates arabs and black people (at the very least - and I've got saved comments to prove it), and harbour and nurtures the neonazis in this subreddit. I'd say he's basically a neonazi, yeah.

Honestly, the doxxing attempt alone is probably enough to get this subreddit shut down (and I have PMs from a mod proving it as well). But I don't want to. I'm happy that you guys have turned into a place where people who get banned from /r/europe go, so that maybe you guys don't pollute /r/europe with your racism, homophobia, and general bigotry.

[–]DivideEtImpera8Italy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

As I said in my previous comments, the mods don't share the same views. I'm sorry you're getting ridiculed and all but, again, there is very little that can be done about it. Actually, if you see a personal attack towards you, please report it and it will be removed. But someone saying that you have a stupid world view is not personally attacking you. But I will personally remove "SavanaJeff is a faggot".

Or that the majority of the user base is filled with out and out racists, literal nazis, and white rights types.

Again, the leftists and communists are also welcome.

Or there's that you mods have tried to dox me

What?

He advocates shooting them because he think that will stop them from coming. I personally disagree with this, but I wouldn't call it nazism.

hates arabs and black people

I can't recall him saying such a thing.

harbour and nurtures the neonazis in this subreddit.

Nah. As I've said: everyone is welcome. Including those people.

[–]SavannaJeff 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

On black people.

Black people are useless, whiny, unproductive pieces of shit who live off victim complex and just poison our society.

I mean the evidence is there, they cannot run a country nor can they run a city (even in a first world country e.g. Detroit). They'll fuck up their own neighbourhoods and blame it on everyone else. They'll burn down their houses because they're frustrated instead of taking care of what they have, they'll kill, rob, do drugs and spread violence wherever they establish even the smallest community.

They'll blame every failure on everyone or anything else. Poverty, education, "privilege" and you name it.

There are more poor white people in the US than blacks, yet blacks make up the bulk of incarcerated people. And that is also through some magical miracle blamed on the whites. Not only that, many brainwashed whites will swallow this shit with hook and bate and run to defend them.

Anyhow, I guess the time will come when even the most hard headed naive SJWs discover that it's not just about the colour of their skin, it's about them as people, their culture and everything about them that makes blacks utterly suck.

Until that happens we can all watch the news and listen to fairy tales about how some black robber-rapist suddenly turned saint tried to save a unicorn only to get shot for grooming his rose-garden.

On Arabs.

He means arabs and other forms of junk from the middle east pouring in to Europe.

The guy is an out and out racist that views non-whites as inferior. He advocated shooting people he doesn't like. He's basically a neonazi.

What?

Don't know how to make it more clear. The mods here have tried to find my identity and spread it amongst themselves. That is very much against the site rules.

[–]RamblinRambo3Finland 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't get what's a neonazi it seems. I've also told you to be a bit more creative. We've all heard that shooting at refugees comment a hundred times. As I've said before, I do think we should shoot at the boats and if that costs a few lives, so what, it will save many from drowning in the future. Now we're only allowing criminals to make money out of it. But I guess you don't have any problems with that.

What more... yes on black people. If we take that comment you quote can you tell me where I'm wrong? Everything I said is true and people like you are pathetic for trying to deny it.

The guy is an out and out racist that views non-whites as inferior.

We can turn the argument around and say that you're a complete jackass for being so stupidly naive that it hurts to watch.

The mods here have tried to find my identity and spread it amongst themselves.

Oh really... why would anyone in their rightful mind care enough to figure out who you are?

Everything about you is just so tragic that I'd rather spend time convincing myself that you're a troll rather than finding out who you are, and come to the sad conclusion that everything about you is real. You really have some narcissistic tendencies if you think that you're so important and special.

[–]DivideEtImpera8Italy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Disliking people of another race or ethnicity doesn't make you a Nazi.

[–]RamblinRambo3Finland 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Actually, if you see a personal attack towards you, please report it and it will be removed.

Depends on if it's based on a good argument or not. If it's just throwing a one liner shitpost then yes.

[–]DivideEtImpera8Italy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

As I said:

But someone saying that you have a stupid world view is not personally attacking you.

However a comment saying /u/SavanaJeff is a faggot will be removed.

[–]RamblinRambo3Finland 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

If it only says that he's a faggot then yes. If the comment has argumentation for why XYZ thinks he's a faggot then no.

We're not going to let him have special treatment. We have people being called nazis, racists etc. everyday here with proper argumentation that isn't removed.

[–]DivideEtImpera8Italy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, of course. I think it's pretty clear what a personal attack is and what criticism of someone is.

[–]RamblinRambo3Finland 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I tried to help you guys out at the beginning.

Now that's cute. In what way did you do that. I remember when you went around pointing out that everyone in here were racists etc.

I even applied to be a moderator.

So you did and you didn't get picked nor will you ever get picked because you're so far away from a person who can respect free speech as humanly possible. Again, playing victim seems to be what your comments are all about. You can never see any flaw in yourself.

Instead, RR just appointed a bunch of people who have similar right-wing views as him.

Their political views are irrelevant. What is relevant is their ability to allow opposing opinions to be expressed which they all do.

Then all my posts here get downvoted and ridiculed...Finally, I got banned for something that was clearly unfair... Then there are the threads that pop up all the time, talking about how "SavannaJeff is a faggot" or "does anyone here hate SavannaJeff as much as I do", or people discussing how I must be a "muslim arab whose purpose is to spread pro-immigration propaganda", or where I'm blamed by multiple users (including RR) for reporting threads and users to be banned, even though I've only reported a comment on Reddit once in my life.

Again, stop crying. As I said to you before, maybe it's just that people genuinely don't like what you're saying or you as a persona. Your whole comment is a perfect example of why many resent you.

I'm happy that you guys have turned into a place where people who get banned from /r/europe go, so that maybe you guys don't pollute /r/europe with your racism, homophobia, and general bigotry.

Exactly this is why people can't stand you.

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