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[–]pelap -10 ポイント-9 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Wasn't this sub started as a satirical sub, but then users started taking the whole 'masterrace' -'peasant' thing seriously?

I'd like them to show me a build, everything included (also windows), for under $400, that will play AAA games 6 years from now, without investing in any new parts.

[–]ClutchHunter 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Firstly, consoles cost more than the initial price; you must factor in the online subscriptions and higher prices of games as well.

Secondly, no, I would not include Windows in a budget like that. You can pirate a perfectly good copy or run Linux, or just use an old copy of Windows. Heck, you'll probably be able to take advantage of Microsoft's offer of a free Windows 10 if you look around once that's released.

Thirdly, parts from six years ago still play games today. They simply have to play at lower settings, much like the consoles (much more quickly) degrade over several years relative to what the games each year could look like maxed out.

Any other fallacies you'd like me to address?

[–]leokaling 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't forget Dreamspark. There are myriad ways of getting a legit copy.

[–]ovoKOS7 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

rekt

[–]cecilkorik 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, it was never a satirical sub. It may have started out a little tongue in cheek, and some people started taking it somewhat more seriously, but at no point was the subreddit ever poking fun at PC gamers. Which it would've been if it was "satire".

And no, I'm not going to feed the troll on your request. If you're serious, you can look it up yourself. If you're not, then you've obviously already got your mind made up and there's nothing to be gained arguing with you.

[–]XavierMendelChannel 3[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (13子コメント)

If you read the Q&A you'd know the answer to that.

And you'd know that you can find such a build here in the wiki, and get an even better, more updated version on /r/BuildaPC.

Also: Show me the console that can play games at the same max quality that AAA PC games do, and I'll eat my hat. Don't worry about 6 years from now, in fact, how about six years in the past? That's 2009, the year of Modern Warfare 2, Left 4 Dead 2, Arkham Asylum, Red Faction Guerrilla, and Resident Evil 5. Games I could play just fine on my $300 laptop at a higher quality at the time than consoles can today.

[–]pelap -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (12子コメント)

So according to you (with the exponential advancement in PC hardware in mind), I can get a $300 laptop today, that will run AAA games better than a PS4? Link please!

I'm not denying that PC gaming is a good way to go. It's great value, and is more technically advanced for sure. It's just not for everyone, and hearing people arguing that it is, gets a bit tiresome eventually.

[–]XavierMendelChannel 3[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I don't game on a laptop anymore, but check out the wiki links. You can spend the same amount as a PS4 on a PC and completely eclipse consoles in every metric. Laptops are trickier, so you might have to spend an additional $60. A single game for consoles, no big deal, but that's more than a dozen great games on PC.

Personally, I spent $700 on my PC (cheap for console gamers, considering I never have to pay for online and all my games are a fraction of the cost). It's processor heavy, with an emphasis on later upgrading via a great motherboard. It can play everything I throw at it, and only drops below 60fps at 1080p on graphics powerhouses like Metro: Last Light. Console games, at their quality? I could run a few copies at the same time without sweating it.

PC gaming isn't for everyone, no. There's a small minority of people that can't do it for one reason or another. I can't really think of anything right now, but there definitely are reasons.

[–]slickestwood -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I just want the name of this laptop you spoke of. I'm not digging through wikis looking for something only going off your vague description. Just tell me who made it and what it was called.

[–]XavierMendelChannel 3[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was some random Dell laptop that I picked up from Walmart. It played those games pretty well back in 2009. Though, at the time, I mostly played TF2 and Gmod.

[–]TheAppleFreak 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Laptops are kind of in their own separate price bracket for various reasons, so when we say "$400-$500 console killer," we're referring to a desktop PC that you purchase all of the parts for and assemble yourself.

As a gaming laptop owner, the two biggest things that prohibit them from being truly price competitive are size and difficulty of manufacturing. When we recommend a gaming desktop, we always give you a list of parts that will work with each other and give what we believe to be optimal gaming performance at that price point (assuming you run games that are GPU bound, which is representative of a majority of today's games). Because component manufacturers sell individual parts wholesale with the intention of others using them in builds, this gives us a healthy choice of low-cost parts that we can cherry pick. The defining factor for this is that all of these parts are built to be compatible with certain specifications, like the ATX standard, and all things considered it's not very difficult to put them together into a working machine.

With laptops, though, you've got two primary restrictions not present in desktops: size and heat. All components generate heat, but the roominess of a desktop case lets you put big fans and heatsinks on your components to cool them down. In a laptop, you've suddenly restricted yourself to less than an inch for all of the components and airflow, and you now only have an inch or two to squeeze all of the circuitry from a desktop card into (which increases the amount of heat you generate). If your components are generating the same amount of heat as a desktop, you'll either need incredibly powerful/efficient cooling or you'll need to tone down the performance of the parts.

Toning down the performance also tackles another issue that's closely related: power consumption. In my HTPC, I'm rocking a 450W PSU, which gives my computer enough power to run everything quite well. My gaming laptop, on the other hand, came with a 180W charger, which itself is pretty ridiculous for a laptop. My laptop has to give me roughly the same performance as my desktop when running on less than half the energy, which once again means I either cannot run at the same performance or my components need to be ridiculously engineered to maximize efficiency. That costs money.

The reality of the situation is that squeezing desktop levels of power into a much smaller thermal profile drives up the cost of components, and with the trend towards paper-thin laptops you'll find there's nothing in the budget laptop market that can compete with a similarly priced custom desktop for gaming.

[–]LizardWafflez 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I want you to show me a console that can do that first.