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Adam's specific reasons for firing Alison... (self.AdamCarolla)

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1.) Adam would ask Alison to bring up bits he liked her doing & prepare for specific shows he asked her to, but she didn't listen to him & didn't prepare.

2.) She couldn't improvise forcing Bryan to take on female roles with Adam.

3.) She didn't want her show to be affiliated with Adam's network because of potential guests not wanting to do her show because they don't like Adam. Adam asked her to put the Carolla Digital Network logo on her podcast's banner, but she didn't want it there.

4.) Alison wasn't using Lynch's news stories he would pick out for her.

5.) She didn't read Bald Bryan's or Adam's book.

6.) She hasn't seen an episode of Catch a Contractor.

7.) Alison didn't want to contribute to the Patent Troll fund.

8.) She never promoted Mangria.

9.) Alison didn't say anything when Adam unveiled his book cover during his show.

10.) Alison never invited Adam to anything outside of the work environment even though Adam's invited her to numerous events.

11.) Alison didn't say bye to Adam during their most recent Christmas Party.

12.) He dreaded talking about Laguna Seca because Alison wasn't going to act interested in it.

In other words he wants a relationship that mimics Howard and Robin. Adam got the feeling that Alison wasn't that into him or the show. She didn't show loyalty or interest in what Adam is trying to do with the show. She struck Adam as being too independent to be a sidekick on the show. She needed to go out of her way and show some enthusiasm for Adam's show, network, and whatever else he is trying to do.

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[–]knumbknuts 72 ポイント73 ポイント  (9子コメント)

"Well, I wasn't going to say anything disparaging about Alison, but...

I CHANGED MY MIND, MOTHERFUCKER!"

[–]Cadent_Knave 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (3子コメント)

All the crybaby "fans" who couldn't or wouldn't accept Alison's firing as "creative differences" and refused to move on kind of backed him into that corner, to be fair.

[–]cejansen 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damn, if I don't feel for Gary. He's been weathering this storm for the show and the network. That has (had?) to suck.

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    [–]PolishHeadlock 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    LLOL

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      [–]UncleTruck 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I think #s 1, 3 & 7 are the most damning. 3 & 7 specifically. She was happy to collect a paycheck, but didn't want to be associated with Carolla, or put one less dime in her pocket.

      [–]rustyaries 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Can we all just admit Alison didn't like Adam. It's pretty obvious if you listen to both shows regularly. I don't even think she ever even had him on her show. She didn't like him and at some point it sounds like she thought her association with him hurt her career.

      I like Alison a lot, but her work on ACS won't really be missed. She had been phoning it in for awhile. I do hope the best for Alison, even though I find myself not listening to her Monday episodes and only the Thursday episodes. I think Alison works best in the Thursday Show format where she is the ring leader of a ensemble cast. The Doug Benson role. I know she wants to be an Chelsea Handler like hybrid interviewer/comedian talk show host but it's just not going to happen. Shes not funny enough or willing to risk enough on stage, but who knows...

      Speaking of Doug I once remember when her and Bald Bryan were on Doug Loves Movies and Doug had to address the other guests to not make fun of other people's bosses. I think she was ashamed of being on ACS when she was in front of other podcasters who were much more "indie" than she was. I don't know.

      TLDR - Alison didn't like Adam so it's good for both of them she's gone.

      Maybe I shouldn't post this

      [–]Ultraviolet13 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You're absolutely right, I always got the feeling listening to her "vibe" that she despised Adam and was just using the show to get notoriety and better quality guests and the first chance she got attention from her solo show, she tried to ditch his brand.

      [–]squarebore 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Yes, it's clear that Alison is not an Adam Carolla fan. It would be hard to be an involved, authentic, enthusiastic sidekick for someone you're not really a fan of.

      [–]rustyaries 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      And I think that is the heart of what Adam talked about. Alison was not his Robin like he wanted her to be, he tried and he decided to go in a new direction.

      [–]truthjusticeUSAway 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I think the ACS was just a job to her, and her goal was to get exposure and experience and a platform. I doubt she looked forward to working with Adam, I think she liked the idea of working with anybody B list or above. That's not a knock on her or Adam, we've all done this with jobs, but based on who she is and who he is, it didn't make sense that she would want to be on his show in the first place.

      [–]FistsOfBucho 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I think you're somewhat right, except that she was always laughing at Adam's jokes. She clearly thought he was entertaining and she regularly acknowledged his high level of insight on human behaviour, even regularly commenting that she was surprised none of his teachers recognised him for so clearly being very sharp even in spite of his lack of academic success.

      But even though she obviously considered him talented and smart the clash of their political ideals seemed to weigh on her opinion of him as a person.

      [–]bigtbonejohn 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Damnnnnnn. I do remember the book cover unveiling and it was confusing and awkward as a listener because I couldn't see it and just wanted someone to say something or describe it. I can honestly see his point of view now. Sometimes its like she is just enjoying the show and being entertained rather than contributing. That being said, talking over Adam is not a task that everyone can manage. I would imagine Adam is hard to keep up with. This all just sucks. :-/ Edit: Maybe its noticeable to Adam even more because of his family history of not giving a fuck about his life.

      [–]ThisIsWhoWeR 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Damnnnnnn. I do remember the book cover unveiling and it was confusing and awkward as a listener because I couldn't see it and just wanted someone to say something or describe it.

      Not that this sort of thing is a rarity on the ACS. "Hey, let's watch some racing footage." Hurray! We get to listen to people watching a video! Again!

      [–]TilleagGlan 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (13子コメント)

      I'm glad he finally did this. Everything here sounds perfectly believable and reasonable.

      [–]GoesAgainsttheGrain 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (12子コメント)

      Yes they do, even running them through the the filter of "His side of the story, " some of them are apparent to listeners, lending credibility to others.

      What it also paints is a picture of an emotional retard, who basically is upset that his position as the boss man didn't get someone to pretend like she actually liked and respected him. Basically, you joke about rape, say women aren't as funny as men (they aren't), and are routinely crass and insensitive, you may not have the genuine affection of a well educated, sensitive woman.

      All in all, this is panning out pretty fairly. Alison gets smoked, but gets a bump for her show. Adam gets dinged for how he treats people.

      The only thing missing is a true sense of introspection on Adam's part. That's why I never even came close to paying for the take a knee podcast. The guy doesn't actually want to improve, he wants to bend the whole world to his will.

      [–]DartFred 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (7子コメント)

      What it also paints is a picture of an emotional retard,

      I was 100% sure you were referring to Alison. As an employee, your success and failure will depend on your ability to manage your boss. You can't just ignore his requests and shun his network for four years.

      As I've been saying, Alison is an incredibly immature 40 year old. If she really didn't see this coming, that's one of the more incriminating parts of the story.

      [–]OniTan 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Have you heard her podcast? It sounds like it was made by a 13 year old chatting with her friends in her bedroom. Fuck, the intro sounds like a kids show.

      [–]WarfRabbit27 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      I can't believe people listen to that shit. Debating skittles colors? Are you fucking kidding me? Ugh.

      [–]likeahorse15 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I really enjoyed Alison on Adam's show. I thought she was funny and smart. But I could not listen to her show. I tried and slogged through many of them. I subscribed and unsubscribed many times. It was just wretched. It wasn't retarded just extremely unfunny and immature. It was essentially at the level that my 14 year old twins and their friends talk at. Nothing that 40 plus people with any brain cells to drub together could reasonably be expected to listen to. I'm sorry she is gone but Adam made some real valid points. she needs to remember on which side of the bread her butter sandwiches are buttered.

      [–]idpeeinherbutt 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Her show reminds me of those girls in high school who don't have many friends, but are super judgemental of everyone. They've got a lot of inside jokes that don't make any sense, and think very highly of themselves.

      Butter sandwiches? Shower traveler?

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        [–]tomo89 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Very succinct. Couldn't agree more.

        [–]Hillmanian 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Well...that makes sense. I'm over it now. I can see the conundrum he was in.

        [–]seattlewausa 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (35子コメント)

        I see better Adam's point. Jez, not contributing to the patent troll fight. What's the deal with that? If he lost the podcast fight the podcast she drew a salary from and her own podcast were in great danger.

        [–]averynicehat 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        I dunno - not contributing to the fund is a sticky one. If your employer is having a crisis happen that is going to cost a lot of money, are you as an employee expected to actively pay BACK money you earned to help? Or is that financial crisis just part of your employer's risk involved in doing business? I think it is more the latter.

        Back in 2008 my employer went into bankruptcy. They didn't have enough money on hand to pay everyone's salaries. We got furlowed (had 10 days off with no pay). That sucked, but at least I didn't have to give money back. That would be ridiculous if they TOOK money from us or asked us to donate.

        But then again, the donation would help Alison ensure the safety of a whole medium in which she needs to utilize, with or without Adam. So I can see both angles.

        [–]OniTan 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        But he was asking her to contribute as a podcaster, not as an employee. The guys who work in the back weren't asked to contribute, she was because the ACS was promoting ARIYNBF.

        [–]averynicehat 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        But I'm assuming Carolla Digital got a share of ARIYNBF's income. By being profitable, she's already contributing as a podcaster. If that's not the business arrangement, then I do think it is more acceptable for him to hope for a donation from her podcast. I guess we may not know the money arrangement.

        [–]MrDaveyHavoc 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        ..............Which is why he didn't make her give up a dime. It was just "noted." It wasn't the single reason she was fired, but instead part of a rich tapestry of not giving a fuckitude sniffffffffffffffffffffffffff

        [–]Dwychwder 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (12子コメント)

        I can see her point on that though. She may not have the financial flexibility to donate that money. The other podcasters who donated are pretty well off.

        [–]lost_in_trepidation 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        But her job (along with all of her coworkers, and maybe even podcasting entirely) was at stake.

        [–]DartFred 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I'm sure if Alison had said something low like, 2.5% of my profits for the next 6 months, it would have been fine. Adam was just wanting her to do something to show that she was part of the team, and she refused. And to make it worse, she comes back with a stupid t-shirt to auction off. I bet Gary or one of the other dumb sidekicks came up with that. That alone was worthy of a firing, IMO.

        [–]muggerfugger 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Wasn't really about her giving money, but talking about it, posting the amazon links on her site, etc to help raise money.

        she apparently didn't want to have any part in it.

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            [–]Dwychwder 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (8子コメント)

            The first six are concrete reasons for dismissal, when added together. The rest are just examples and things that rubbed him the wrong way. Not reason for discipline when taken alone, but still paint a portrait of someone who doesn't want to be there.

            Being Adam's sidekick is not some corporate job where you just show up every day. You have to be willing to play off Adam and set him up. You have to be on and you have to at least pretend to care about what the host cares about or its not going to work. She was incredibly passive most times and seemed to check out for long periods of time. Not being able to discuss Catch a Contractor, to me, is the biggest red flag here. The first season was half hour shows. 22 minutes if you DVR. And I'm sure there were screeners. Like a lot of people, I watch that show each week, and now I feel deprived about half hour discussions we never heard on the air.

            In Carolla speak, it's clear she wasn't willing to burn the calories necessary to shine in that role.

            Plus, no matter what Adam's reputation is, he signs the checks. She was on his team. If she didn't want his branding on her podcast banner, tough shit. That's hugely selfish. She's part of the network, part of her job is to be a good member of that network. And she couldn't have his logo on her banner? Fuck that. If she was so worried about not getting guests because of his politics and reputation, she should have worked harder to sell her show to guests and convince them to come on despite his rep. She had no problem with the guests she got because they were on ACS. If I was Adam, I would have had a very serious issue with her not wanting her podcast to be associated with ACS.

            [–]OniTan 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Yeah, every time Alison would go silent for long periods of time I was thinking, "Alison, this is radio."

            [–]RichterScale 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Yes. I Know there is a lot of Gina Grad hatred around here, and I don't even know if I technically like her myself. However, I do like her chiming in with a "Yes!" or with a small piece of information that's related or adds to what Adam is talking about. I feel like Alison never did that and almost never added information relevant to what Ace is talking about.

            "Oh yeah I heard about that"

            "I saw that too, Charlize Theron was great"

            These are just general chimes that arise in typical conversation, and when you're hosting a radio show they should be peppered throughout. Gina does it, Alison doesn't.

            [–]lost_in_trepidation 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            I think the most damming point was her refusing to forgo her Amazon proceeds to help fund the legal battle. It's her show and her revenue, but refusing to support an effort that might mean her career is on the line and is directly affecting her bosses/coworkers livelihood, it's just petty and egotistical.

            And by Gary's own admission (not Adam's) her reaction was pretty hostile. Did she even consider how that might make her boss or coworkers feel?

            [–]authalic 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I can see it both ways. Alison's show existed before she joined Adam's podcast. She may have considered it her intellectual property. But, as a condition of hosting her podcast on Carolla Digital, Adam could have required some branding on the iTunes cover art, in the same way that every episode of ARIYNBF begins with Dawson saying "This is Carolla Digital". Seems like this issue could have been avoided with more communication, and maybe a contract.

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                [–]Henducando 77 ポイント78 ポイント  (106子コメント)

                Adam comes out and lays it all on the table and looks so much better than he did 24 hours ago. Maybe it's a shame he had to go into all of these details, but he did and I think it's better that we've heard this. Well done Ace.

                [–]HoldTheJalapenos[S] 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (91子コメント)

                It's a bit ironic that the big Alison Rosen fans forced him to explain further potentially damaging her career. If her fans were looking out for her best interest they would let it blow over and go along with her positive attitude about the whole debacle. Adam tried to make her look as good as possible in his first explanation because he didn't want to bring her down.

                [–]Slippery_Slope_Guy 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                The lesson here is be careful what you wish for.

                [–]Ultraviolet13 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                ...."you can't handle the truth!"

                [–]rocco5000 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Exactly. You badger him for more details and then get offended when you don't like what those details are.

                [–]JamedSonnyCrocket 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Ya, when he explains how he promotes her show everyday, let's her use his guests, wanted her to do her bits live and then allowed her to use his studio for her show. She basically shunned him. It is hurtful, understandably.

                [–]Matthewkeville 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I wonder about the bandwidth too. That shit is NOT cheap. If she was using his studio the I'll bet he was fronting all the costs to distribute it as well but she can't put a logo for the network? Damn that's cold... I know her show existed before Adam right? But if he's paying for all that plus giving you all that exposure that's pretty fucked up

                [–]Slippery_Slope_Guy 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Seriously. If you're using his studio then put the damn logo in the corner if he wants it.

                [–]bigtbonejohn 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                People were fans of both of them. We just needed an explanation. Adam looks like a villain until everyone gets the honest picture. Good for Adam and best of luck to Alison.

                [–]rocco5000 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                The point is though at some point I think fans are putting their need for an explanation above Alison's best interests (i.e. not airing her dirty laundry).

                [–]bigtbonejohn 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                What about Adams best interests? He looked like a villain in the eyes of many fans.

                [–]rocco5000 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I totally agree and although Adam could have handled it better initially, I think he was trying to avoid going on-air and detailing his reasons for firing her for an hour. It does make him look better and it gives people people the answers they were looking for, but it is at Alison's expense in a way.

                [–]bigtbonejohn 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I dont see much issue with that. If she was compramising herself then she could have left the show. She probably just needed the work but was having trouble putting on the act. Live and learn.

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                    [–]Brad_Wesley 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                    Yup. When this first broke and they were shitting on Adam I pointed out that he was probably doing her a favor by not telling the details so as not to damage her career.

                    Now they got what they wanted.

                    That being said I don't like the new chick so far. She has said a few remarkably unfunny things that made no sense. Hopefully it is just an issue of her getting settled in.

                    [–]Death_By_Tacos 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    So... you're not a fan of the hack with the rack?

                    [–]Spodie 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    And her voice is pretty grating.

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                      [–]TilleagGlan 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                      I'd characterize it as Adam fans forcing him to practice what he preaches. If he wanted to handle it the way he did, then he needed to own the consequences, not shovel some political bullcrap at us and ask us to eat it without any questions. He did today. At last it makes sense. At least I can respect him again.

                      As far as Alison's career goes, I don't think there was any secret that she disagreed with him politically, and there's no surprise that she didn't involve herself with him personally. She has warm relationships with some of his guests already, and now she has a relationship with anyone who doesn't like Adam. I think she's gonna be okay.

                      [–]TilleagGlan 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Ooh ooh, you know what else -- now Alison can feel freer to detail why she never felt connected (or happy?) at ACS. Also good pod and something people will go out of their way to listen to.

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                        [–]barlister 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        how is this damaging her career?

                        [–]hossafy 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        Because it shows that she's more in to being herself than a team player, regardless of who the team owner is?

                        [–]hitlerbong69 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Tbh, she doesn't have a career to damage. She does a fucking Podcast.. And what else?

                        [–]ExcaliburZSH 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (20子コメント)

                        It is primarily Adam's fault for being a bad manager. He did not talking to Allison about the issues he had with her performance. He also did not address the issues he was having with their personal relationship. He hired someone that is not interested in sports or cars, that is his fault. He does not prep for shows, so his sidekick does not know what is expected to do. Then Adam fires Allison in an email, not giving the real reasons, which opened himself up to all the crap he was getting. He is the source of his own problems but instead of looking at himself and how he runs his company, he reveals the problems he was having with an employee to the public and not to the employee.

                        [–]andyottito 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Even though Adam doesn't prep for the shows, he specifically asked Alison to do so, and apparently she didn't.

                        [–]corby_tender 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        I love this excuse by the way.

                        "Sorry boss it's not my fault I can't do the job you were the one stupid enough to hire me!"

                        [–]OniTan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I know right LOL. Well, mistake fixed!

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                          [–]Brad_Wesley 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                          He hired someone that is not interested in sports or cars, that is his fault

                          That's not the issue. You don't need to be interested in sports or cars. You need to be interested in Adam. Adam is interested in a lot of stuff I am not interested in (like cars) but I am interested in Adam's life so it doesn't bother me.

                          [–]thefirebuilds 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          Anthony Cumia is a perfect example - Him and Opie never had much of a personal relationship but their on air chemistry was mostly great. They could and would talk about anything, together.

                          [–]Slippery_Slope_Guy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          And Opie is a bit of a dud as a radio personality. Anthony knew Opie got him in the door so he made it work for 20 years. You've got to work with what you've got.

                          [–]thefirebuilds 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Opie's ambition is the only reason Ant was at successful as he is. Remember, Ant was a tin knocker and would still be without the (often self destructive) ambition of Ope.

                          [–]Ultraviolet13 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Exactly, just ask questions, u don't even have to know what a car engine looks like, just ask questions....yes and....

                          [–]ExcaliburZSH 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Not being interested in Adam did seem to be the starter for a number of his issues. It is so the better that he fired her, I just have issues with his management style, not the legitimate problems of her performance.

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                            [–]seattlewausa 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            He pays the piper, he calls the tune. He isn't running a food stamp program. It was some people taking a third lap that made Adam have to address it. He did, let's move on.

                            [–]corby_tender 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            his argument and comparison to howard and robin is completely on point. adam and alison did not have chemistry. If I were adam I would have said that to both the alison and audience, and I think it would've gone smoother.

                            [–]RazorJamon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I don't really think this hurts her career that much. If anything it helps her considering that most people in showbusiness treat Adam like a leper.

                            [–]mparkytime 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                            Fans wouldn't have needed an explanation if there would have been some sort of proper goodbye instead of a "Well, Alison is dead to us, moving on..." sort of attitude to kick off the new year. Being shitty about how he handled it in the first place was the kicker. Then Twitter got pissed at him and as a result he decided to shit all over Alison publicly to save his own ass.

                            [–]rocco5000 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            He gave you what you wanted - how is that shitting all over Alison? He for sure could have handled it better initially, but when fans get pissed at him for not giving more details about why he fired her, you can't get mad at him for "shitting all over Alison" when he finally opens up about it.

                            [–]dakboy 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Fans wouldn't have needed an explanation if there would have been some sort of proper goodbye instead of a "Well, Alison is dead to us, moving on..." sort of attitude to kick off the new year

                            This follows with what the OP said here:

                            In other words he wants a relationship that mimics Howard and Robin.

                            When someone left the Stern show, rarely if ever was the departure even mentioned, let alone discussed at length. Jackie's departure is the only one I can think of that was really discussed beyond "so-and-so isn't with the show anymore" or some variation on that. Hell, for a long time when Robin was hooked in from home during her whole cancer thing (disclosure: I haven't listened for about 2 years now), they wouldn't even anyone even hint at the fact that she wasn't physically there.

                            Adam is trying to make his show in Stern's image.

                            [–]sjgoglin 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Adam's walking through his own Stern museum

                            [–]neverProfessional 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            I don't even think a proper goodbye would have handled it because it still would have blindsided us. I think being honest was one of the only ways to go about it. Or just cite "creative differences" or something.

                            [–]mparkytime 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Either way, Alison Rosen heard NONE of this until now via shitty tweets. He's her boss, and should have discussed this stuff with her privately. This whole time Alison has been completely cordial, and it's the fans that have been attacking Adam. Alison shouldn't get the brunt of that. He was losing subscribers, losing $, and so decided to throw her under the bus to the fans.

                            [–]neverProfessional 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            We don't know what Rosen heard.

                            From Adam's point of view, he clearly communicated what he wanted. He wanted her to come up with ideas, do the bits that he liked at every live show, and to participate. He made it clear to her (As far as we can tell!) and just because he didn't come back to her and say "Hey Alison, you know I told you do that... you should probably listen to that instead of, you know, not listening to that." doesn't make him a bad guy. He clearly communicated what he wanted, over and over (as far as we know). So I think it's completely justified, personally.

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                                [–]Ohnoho 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                We are not much better for hearing this. This only denigrates both Adam and Alison's public image. They had every right to conduct their business quietly and between them. It's sad it had to come to this.

                                But goddamn if it isn't entertaining. I have no good gossip or drama in my life because my friends are awesome and all have their shit together so this whole thing has been so fun and exciting to get swept up in.

                                But I sure as fuck am not a better person for knowing this.

                                [–]Rare_Hydrogen 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                That's pretty much where I'm at. He "made a decisiiiiiioooonnnn" and that was that. I don't really understand all of the entitlement that people felt about wanting to know the truth. It's weird to me.

                                But I do agree that it's entertaining.

                                [–]ExcaliburZSH 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                I find it breaks down into thee parts, work performance which could have been solved if Adam prepared for shows, network stuff like the bug and patent troll funding (things that should have been handled one to one, not "Mat send an email" or five minutes before the show in a hallway) and personal, stuff like the books, liquor, no invites (wait I thought you had no self esteem) which is a clash of different personalities.

                                With this show we get a better idea of problems but since Adam never informed Allison and no one else at the show seemed to know there were problems, the backlash still rest for Adam. He failed to correct the problems and then fired Allison without providing cause even to Allison ( which allowed her to go on and say she didnot know there was a problem).

                                Adam cannot manage people, he can yell at underlings and just can't realate to people as equals on his shows (Dr. Drew/Bruce, wife, Ray, Allsion).

                                [–]MrDaveyHavoc 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                Adam never informed Allison? How about when he told her to have a bit prepared for the second of two live pods, gave her several days notice, and she came up with nothing? He brought up the bug, brought up the troll fight, and she chose to react the way she did.

                                Adam is a tough personality but you'd think after 4 years she'd glean just a bit of what makes him tick and know how to appease.

                                [–]bigtbonejohn 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                You make a fair point. She could have felt distant because of his lack of communication skills.

                                [–]thebza451XBO 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                The hypocrisy is when Kevin Smith said, "I tried to call you and sent an email..." and Adam said, "I don't check my emails everyone knows that!"....

                                Now... aggh... just gross. I knew Kevin Smith wasn't the bullshitter in that feud.

                                [–]barlister 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Don't talk to Lynette like that.

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                                  [–]bigtbonejohn 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                  You can also add the amazon banner refusal during the patent troll campaign.

                                  [–]HoldTheJalapenos[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  shit! I missed that!

                                  [–]ExcaliburZSH 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  I found that part odd because she did bring up supporting the campaign on the show. Maybe her shows banner wasn't changed.

                                  [–]bigtbonejohn 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I think i might remember hearing that episode when bald said something about auctioning a t-shirt and adam mumbled something and they moved along awkwardly.

                                  [–]Baby_Lee 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                  Boy Adam really told his mother off with this firing

                                  [–]Fieldengineer1 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  -It always comes down to Power/Personal or Money and we learned it was both.

                                  -These are beefs with his Mother.

                                  -Alison is not a sychophant (a person who acts obsequiously toward someone important in order to gain advantage) and does not know how to act obsequiously(obedient or attentive to an excessive or servile degree).

                                  -Everyone on Adam's Staff is that type of employee.

                                  [–]OniTan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  How would I know that?

                                  [–]elesdee 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  That was pop warner

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                                    [–]BBBQ 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Adam makes a good case. Why would you want a sidekick who has almost no interest in the show and doesn't want to be associated with you personally? I think the firing was justified.

                                    [–]bigtbonejohn 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    If only Adam could DANCE we wouldn't have needed all of this.

                                    [–]montykeya 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Alison could have stolen 1 million dollars from Adam, turned Lynette into a lesbo, and had Mangria shit canned by the ATF on false accusations.....but if Adam canned her the way he did, reddit would still be mad. Just lol.

                                    [–]OniTan 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    That was an epic bitch slapping. Now Lynette's "Things aren't as they seem on air" comment makes more sense.

                                    [–]lost_in_trepidation 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Even the staff morale line makes sense. People were expecting the ARIYNBF crew to be on her side, but even Gary offered up information that painted Alison in a more negative light.

                                    [–]Union76 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    It's going to be weird to go back and listen to old episodes now.

                                    [–]Undertoad 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                    "And I'd like to add that, I've been very carefully watching this online in social media, as part of my job, and... there are ridiculous conspiracy theories out there. But Adam was just doing his best to not have to... sling mud or just call names or point fingers, he just wanted to move on, and... this is probably the last you're going to hear about it because this is the honest truth. There's nothing behind this, there's no other shoe to drop. This is what he was trying to avoid doing because he likes Alison, he didn't want to throw her under the bus in any way." -Gary

                                    [–]DartFred 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    I'm sure 40 year old Alison is going to go on the attack now, but her entire Thursday cast backed Adam's story. I hope she just drops it and moves on. But given that she's the most immature 40 year old out there, I'm sure she's going to attack.

                                    [–]compain87 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                    Man I felt bad for Gary having to join in on this, it must have been hard for him to do.

                                    [–]k4aic 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    Yea and Bald even said he liked Alison personally and professionally so he felt awkward having to, say anything because it puts them all in a bad situation of almost picking sides when they didn't want to.

                                    [–]corby_tender 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    You can blame this public undressing on all of the alison rosen fans who wouldn't shutup about getting more of an explanation. Not everything is for the public eye, and although Adam's original explanation wasn't satisfactory, this is exactly what he tried to avoid.

                                    All you gossip queens got what you wanted.

                                    [–]averynicehat 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    We got some juicy pod out of it.

                                    [–]Willowwinds 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                    Aaaand now everybody is on Adam's side. This is hilarious.

                                    The majority of Reddit seemed to be out for blood last week, defending Alison, swearing to never again listen to Adam's show. Everybody wanted to support her and jumped to calling Adam a huge asshole. ARIYNBF was pushed to the top of the iTunes charts, and Adam was inundated with calls and tweets about having to explain himself.

                                    Now that Adam caved and gave his reasoning, so many people have flipped over to defend him and now "completely understand" why she had to go.

                                    I posted a comment last week about this exact situation. This is why you don't talk about details. It causes drama, creates hostile relationships, and pits people against each other.

                                    I commend Adam for attempting to do this in a professional manner. I'm impressed he held out as long as he did. I just wish he could have ignored it all and moved forward, not citing specifics. Because now this has potentially harmed Alison's podcast and any support she might have gained from this unfortunate situation.

                                    I wish them the best of luck. Alison is talented and can hold her own. Her Podcast is strong, and will undoubtedly do well. Adam will be Adam and continue to do the podcast for as long as he can, although I suspect it will not air as often in the future due to his ever-increasing commitment to outside projects.

                                    It's just a shame that the sharks got their blood, in the end it doesn't help anyone and casts a bad shadow across the whole thing. Some things are best left unsaid so that both parties can move forward to focus on what's important.

                                    [edit: damn autocorrect]

                                    [–]MustBeNice 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                    Reddit is a very impressionable bunch.

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                                      [–]heliamphora_ionasi 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      I don't get why she thought a Carolla Digital branding would alienate potential guests...they would be coming into Carolla's own studio to do the podcast, so why would it matter? Wouldn't they know once they walked into a studio plastered with Carolla stuff that he is in some way affiliated with it? And all of her big name guests were only there because of Carolla anyway, I highly doubt she had big names in the frying pan that canceled because they hated her boss. . .

                                      Maybe her therapist is right, maybe she is "drama".

                                      [–]chuckcraft 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      I'm glad he explained his reasoning. Most of them constitute reasons. There are, of course, ways to coach up your team members, and clearly articulate expectations, but that's not something he's good at. I actually don't care about the mode of termination. I just care about show quality.

                                      Even if his list of complaints were all valid, he explained them, and she wasn't willing to adjust, I still wouldn't like the move. She brought significantly more to the table, in my own personal opinion, than he's aware of. My enjoyment of his show is going to suffer without her. Their mutual quirks -- the things that probably caused the distance between them -- are actually what made them great together.

                                      [–]fletcherscotta 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      I pretty much take away that Alison wasn't a good fit for the job that Adam wants from a sidekick. The way he fired her is shitty, but I can now understand better why he fired her.

                                      In the list there are a few points, 1,2 & 4 that he should have talked to her about like a manager does in a yearly performance review. Those things are on Adam as much as her. A manager's job is to tell his employees what he/she wants done.

                                      The rest of the points just paint the picture that she was not interested in Adam or his brand. I feel like these more than anything are why Adam decided to move on. Even if Adam had brought these things to her attention is her pretending to be into Catch a Contractor and cars better than not talking about it? Look at Mythbusters. Adam and Jaime pretty much hate each other but their shared interests are enough to have 10+ seasons of content.

                                      Hopefully things will settle down soon and we can move on and find that sidekick that Adam wants. Hopefully he finds an interesting team player and not just a yes woman.

                                      [–]rjames77 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      I liked his explanation because it was a wide enough range of issues, that I now understand his feeling that she wasn't a good fit. I've always liked Alison, and taken her awkwardness as sidekick as part of her "charm". But I can now see that the awkwardness (and off-air things) were grating on Adam.

                                      His marriage metaphor about the scale slowly moving made a lot of sense, and explained why it took so long for him to make the change.

                                      I think he handled this whole situation poorly. But, at least it sounds like he realizes that. There's probably a few misrepresentations of facts by him, as Alison and Daniel have alluded to on twitter. But I think the overall point that she wasn't the right fit is undeniable.

                                      Also,

                                      One thing I got from Adam that was very welcome, was the feeling that he truly cares about ACS. I had the feeling for a while now that he was just coasting, and figured it was just one of the many things he has to do. There are many weaknesses in ACS, and firing Alison barely fixes one of them. But, I like the idea that the quality of his show is still very important to him. Enough so, that he still after so many years, strives for it to be better.

                                      Now, lets hope it actually does get better.

                                      [–]chuckcraft 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      "One thing I got from Adam that was very welcome, was the feeling that he truly cares about ACS."

                                      I am a #TeamAlison member, and even I agree with this. I think he made the wrong choice, but I have no doubt that he cares very deeply about the fans' reactions, and did what he though was best. He even sounded broken up at the beginning of today's pod.

                                      [–]golden_rhino 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      She was worried the Carolla name would keep guests away from her show, but she had no trouble taking his guests? Seems a little hypocritical and unfair.

                                      I'd be hurt and/or pissed if I was Carolla.

                                      [–]zag83 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                      Is this from tonight's episode or something?

                                      [–]k4aic 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      yep dropped at midnight. I am glad Ace said this. I agree with a lot of his points, didn't know it was that bad. I wish he would have said something, then again I see why he shouldn't have to. Re: his politics, yea I can see why he thought maybe she was distancing since she is so liberal. I am overall okay with this. Agree about Amazon link, granted it was and is HER money, she should have thrown in some to the bigger picture.

                                      [–]bigtbonejohn 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      Yep her money, but think about his view- He's been letting her broadcast there for free and she's turning a profit on top of acs I would have to assume.

                                      [–]zag83 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Yeah, wow, I just listened to that part of the show. I could sense some of that stuff, but the things like never inviting him to anything (when he did all the time) and not contributing anything to the patent troll fund is pretty bad, as is refusing to talk about stories your boss wants to talk about and refusal to improv on the show. I was on Adam's side before this, but I don't think there's any doubt now. I still like Alison, but she definitely wasn't cut out for this role anymore.

                                      [–]bigtbonejohn 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      How about Zip it CUNT?...... ha jk but seriously that was tension from the beginning when he told her that when she was being annoying while coming up with a catch phrase for the news and she adopted it

                                      [–]TheNo99 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      I'm glad someone else remembers. When that first came up, I remember it being an awkward exchange, like someone missed a joke or she was offended and didn't know how to respond or something. Next thing you know, that's her sign-off... Probably not the optimal way to start things. Sucks working somewhere if there is some resentment.

                                      It's all sort of odd, in radio, someone just disappears, there is no story, that's just how it is usually. Podcasts are a bit more personal. I don't see what the hub-bub is about, he basically said nothing, there were rumors, he said his piece. First off, it's all his and he's paying the bills, he can and should have whoever he wants on it. Second, it's all a lot of little stuff that kind of adds up, I don't see anything particularly offensive of inappropriate and it seems like stuff that he was somewhat okay with until it was all added together. The details of number 7 are something I'd like to hear from Alison, I mean I can get it if like that money was somehow allocated for something else, if it was that she thought that association would somehow hurt her then that sounds really really weak to me.

                                      On the upside, she'll get to fly on her own, maybe great things will come, maybe she'll have to really grind for along time. I hope everyone does well but there is nothing like finding out...

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                                        [–]bigtbonejohn 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Not sure why people are downvoting this entire feed. Its practically an excerpt from the show. Discuss but dont shoot it down people.

                                        [–]DonutGenocide 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Wait she didn't read Bryan's book? Pretty sure I remember she had him and his wife on her show for an interview and they talked about his book/life in detail.

                                        [–]huskies_62 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        I get it. Lots of little things. Maybe he should have had more conversations with her but we don't know about every conversation. The big thing is Adam had a extremely pushy attitude and persona. She can easily be steam rolled by that. I will say thanks for the explanation.

                                        [–]sonusfaber 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        What episode is this detailed on? Thanks. I'm a few behind; not by choice.

                                        [–]cholywell 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        The one released today.

                                        [–]RabbitReddit 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        Did he announce these reasons on the podcast? I haven't listened to the latest episode yet...

                                        [–]k4aic 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        yep about an hour of the show dedicated to this.

                                        [–]tumbler_fluff 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        5.) She didn't read Bald Bryan's or Adam's book.

                                        6.) She hasn't seen an episode of Catch a Contractor.

                                        Solid list, thanks for posting it, I just wanted to clarify these two. I don't think it was so much that she didn't read the book or watch the show (though that was certainly part of it), but that she just had literally zero comment to make regarding either of them. It's Adam's show and his network, he has Skip and Alison Bedell on the podcast with relative frequency, she works with Bald who wrote also wrote a book, etc. Frankly, she should read them, but if she's not going to she should at least have something to offer when the topic comes up. Instead, she went into cruise control until it was over.

                                        [–]dhpdx 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        It basically boils down to Alison not actually liking Adam and not respecting him personally. It's probably a good thing for both of them that they part ways.

                                        [–]fivecardarmy 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        If a Howard and Robin dynamic is what he wants, he made the right choice. He wasn't getting that from Alison and wasn't going to get that no matter how many conversation he had with her.

                                        [–]THoff3 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        When Adam was saying Alison didn't seem to be happy, much less appreciative, behind the mic, I remembered that when Alex Borstein was on, Alison said, in all seriousness, that she was a "failure." Alex immediately jumped in and said if you're getting paid to be behind a mic you're succeeding. I thought it was pathetic and ungracious of her to say that and is a perfect example of the problem that Adam was trying to solve by canning her ungrateful ass.

                                        [–]ExcaliburZSH 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (39子コメント)

                                        I noticed the sentence "I talked to Allison about my issues with her performance" never were said. While he had legitimate reasons, he doesn't seem to be able to actually manage people.

                                        [–]DetectiveClownMD 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                        You sit next to someone for 4 years who constantly talks about things he wants and needs from you and you don't take notice of this?

                                        I understand we all have performance reviews but I always take notice of what my boss is saying and try not to be that.

                                        In the end this episode cleared everything up.

                                        [–]AndAgain1 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                        He said that he asked her to do her bits more.

                                        [–]Slippery_Slope_Guy 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        He actually did say that he sat down and talked to her all the time about doing more of her bits and she didn't prepare them.

                                        [–]Dray1987 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                        She was fired because of a compounding of issues springing from the fact that she didn't want to be associated with Adam but wanted the money that came from being associated with him. What good would sitting her down and talking to her do if the issue at the core is that she doesn't want to play ball for the team?

                                        [–]SeanConnerysPimpHand 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                        You're right. Managers never talk to employees about being team players. It just isn't done.

                                        [–]Dray1987 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        They don't talk to people who show no signs of even having an interest in being a team player. That's a waste of time and management's resources.

                                        [–]dubate 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        He tried to coach her up (that bit is funny, do it more often) but didn't hold her hand trying to get her to be better.

                                        If you care about your job, you pay attention to the suggestions your boss gives you (rarely are they just "suggestions"). If you don't really care, you keep doing your own thing and do whatever you feel like.

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                                          [–]ExcaliburZSH 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                          There is an issue and as a manager it needs to be taken up with the employee. Adam doesn't know Allison didn't want to be associated, he is up just assuming and going on hearsay. It is a serious problem why did Adam not have a conversation? Because of Adam's problems. If they could not come to a mutually solution, then firing her is what he should do.

                                          It is not the reasons, it is how he does it, which highlights his hypocrisy.

                                          [–]DartFred 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          There is an issue and as a manager it needs to be taken up with the employee.

                                          This is just untrue. First, there is not a universally correct way to manage. Second, most managers will tweak their style depending on the employee.

                                          If Adam has a problem with Lynch, I'm sure he'd just tell him. But dealing with a more fragile, creative spirit like Alison, I'm sure he felt it best to give suggestions but not confront.

                                          Arguing that Adam handled this wrong is akin to saying that Gregg Popovich handled Richard Jefferson poorly. Sure, but he's closer to the situation and we will never know definitively. All we do know is that this is a grey area that probably doesn't have a right or wrong strategy.

                                          [–]bigtbonejohn 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          I suppose that confronting her would have hurt the quality of the show. He didnt want her to put on a fake personality just for him.

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                                              [–]thebza451XBO 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              Just like he never talked to Kevin Smith about missing that live podcast, hence everything else after that.

                                              He's not a good people person, this is obvious. And the people he hires are either too scared of him or are just incompetent at their jobs.

                                              [–]DartFred 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              He's not a good people person, this is obvious.

                                              If it's obvious, and you're his employee, then it's obvious that you should be careful to manage the relationship.

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                                                [–]climetree 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                Am I the only one that thinks asking employees to contribute to a legal fund that benefits the owner (7) is inappropriate or at least tacky. Alison is from a different class than Adam and she properly views this as unprofessional. She put up with his crudeness and misogyny but knew where the line was. The entire list points to a poor businessman and manager who doesn't understand the line between business and personal. He would have been better off leaving it alone and going with his initial statement.

                                                [–]Cadent_Knave 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                I don't think it's tacky for Adam to ask her to divert a small amount of her revenue stream to help fund the patent troll defense--if he'd lost, she'd be out BOTH of her jobs anyway. Everyone else on the Carolla Digital network (and some not even on the network, like Maron and Rogan) agreed to chip in their Amazon click-through revenue. I might add that Adam stated (in much more diplomatic language) that she was a bitch about saying no. THAT'S tacky.

                                                [–]lloyd145 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                The Amazon banner thing is disgusting to me. Wow.

                                                Rosen fans really did her a disservice by making him break it down to this level. She comes off really bad and I'm quite less a fan of hers now.

                                                [–]CARFACE 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                The show hasn't been good for 2 years, maybe replacing her will improve it, but she absolutely shouldn't be the scapegoat.

                                                I do love reading the drama in this sub though. It is so much better than any content from the show in months. Thanks!

                                                [–]frantaloons 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                Can't spell drama without Adam....r

                                                [–]knumbknuts 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                That's probably how he would spell it.

                                                [–]Phaint 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                She isn't the scapegoat but she clearly contributed to the shows demise

                                                [–]ExcaliburZSH 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                There does need to be a shake up, some of the guest are interesting but the interviews are lacking. The reaquiring bits have gone stale. The Take a Knee stuff sounds good, so maybe one long form interview a week and one less show a week. He is working to much and the extra work doesn't make him feel satisfied. He needs a day of woodworking or yard cleaning. Also therapy.

                                                [–]neverProfessional 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Well, I stand corrected.

                                                [–]Phaint 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Anyone else remember several months ago he mentioned that everyone on the network was contributing to the patent troll fund via Amazon affiliate (or whatever) "except for one" person said Adam.

                                                I always wondered who it was. For some reason I assumed Larry or Drew (because he doesn't really need to be on Adams network). But Allison? That's her direct employer, if he succeeds she succeeds... Sort of astonishingly short sighted.

                                                [–]90s_kids_only 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                Re: Not saying anything about the book cover.

                                                That's because it is ridiculously ugly. If someone shows that to you, you either have to lie or not say anything. She probably should have lied.

                                                [–]corby_tender 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                the best part of stern is when the staff argue. adam said "even if she hated it". An argument about the cover is actual content, saying nothing is big fat 0.

                                                [–]Hhhyyu 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                She should have described what it looked like.

                                                [–]90s_kids_only 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                "The hat is cartoonish and your face looks like it is smelling your own fart."

                                                Actually you guys are right, that would have been pretty funny.

                                                [–]Dwychwder 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                I think his point is that she said nothing. Calling it heinous would have been much better than saying nothing. It's a podcast. She helps no one by saying nothing. It would have been great pod of she was like "that thing is horrible."

                                                [–]ThisIsWhoWeR 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                You have a point, but this is a podcast where we regularly have to listen to audio of people watching video clips we can't see.

                                                At least the clips from The Man Show have non-visual jokes we can hear, but the racing? We can't see what's happening! Why would we care?

                                                [–]Slippery_Slope_Guy 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                How many times have they watched race footage? Twice? Three times maybe?

                                                [–]BakerBalls 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                Sorry if this was answered already, but is this something Adam said on the show? Where is this list coming from?

                                                [–]cholywell 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                Yes this is from the show today. Adam spent an hour talking about all these points.

                                                [–]BakerBalls 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Thanks, man. Definitely going to give this one a listen. Sounds like it might change my mind about the whole situation.

                                                [–]SancZero 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Well I continue to respect his decision.

                                                [–]7bits 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                If you look at the list, it's everything that Teresa Strasser would NOT do. She was basically the prototype that Adam would wanted Alison to grow into. Teresa was great at roleplaying.

                                                [–]ThriceOnSundays 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                I think if you take this list and say they are the "reasons" then it sounds petty. I think the reasons boil down to:

                                                Alison didn't add as much to the show as Adam wanted even when asked.

                                                Alison wasn't supportive of the Carolla Digital network or Adams other projects, which were frequent show fodder.

                                                Alison didn't seem interested in many of the show topics and made it clear through her silence that she was disinterested, and that hurt the show.

                                                The list is mostly examples supporting those three things.

                                                The other things that seem petty were him refuting the idea that he was "firing a friend" - not reasons why he fired her.

                                                [–]insta-kip 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                In answer to #2. She isn't a great improviser. You know who is? Bald Bryan, that's who. It shouldn't matter if it's a male or female part, BB will do a fantastic job with it.

                                                [–]Sparky_PoptheTrunk 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                To me, #3 is the most damning... It is on Adams platform, he should be able to get his logo on her shows stuff. It is like PTI being on ESPN, but the ESPN logo can't be on the show. Or UCLA having Adidas uniforms, but the Adidas logo can't be on the jersey. It is his network.

                                                [–]puddboy 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                Clearly Adam chose to take the high road initially, but too many fans gave him a hard time so he had no choice but to address the issue in length on this podcast, and I'm glad he did. It was a satisfying explanation and one I can understand. For anyone that wants to nit pick each issue as tacky reasons for termination, it's the collection of the issues.

                                                I think Alison's head was too big, she's talented but not that talented, otherwise she'd be more successful in her career at her age (truth hurts). Seems like she only had one foot in with regards to the show and she was keeping the other one out for people that may not like Adam and his politics. I think there was a fair amount of resentment on her part and it manifested itself in a variety of ways on the show and ultimately it was too much for Adam. Sounds like he made the right call.

                                                [–]RaaronS78 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                That's what I thought. About her age...

                                                & also, she should be very thankful for propping up her show... It wouldn't be half as successful without him, his studio & his audience.... She did a good job, but what's the chances she can continue to keep it going? Get the A list guests & whatnot?

                                                [–]puddboy 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                Yeah, that part about him mentioning she takes his guests was interesting.

                                                [–]RaaronS78 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                I doubt that he meant it like she steals them... More like "hey, you use my studio, you use my show to promote your show, & you use my guests, how about kicking in a little bit to help me fight these people who, if they win, will end our your livelihood & income.... Totally".

                                                Why not kick in a few bucks?

                                                [–]byng88 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (31子コメント)

                                                I don't like Robin Quivers but I do get the point that he wished Alison would have been more engaged as a sidekick. It was her job for Christ's sake. She may have not liked the dude talk but all of our jobs have elements which we do which we don't necessarily like.

                                                The point about her not wanting to contribute to the patent troll fund has made me lose a ton of respect for Alison. She comes across as a typical liberal, wanting change but as long as it doesn't come at her own expense.

                                                [–]MultiTwentyOne 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                12.) He dreaded talking about Laguna Seca because Alison wasn't going to act interested in it.

                                                This one is stupid

                                                [–]punchatron 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                Adam talking about and watchinga race on a podcast doesn't make a lot of sense and wasn't fun to listen to. Even Bald would make a snarky "good pod" comment during those times. But regardless of the content Alison was supposed to be the sidekick and power through and at least try to act interested.

                                                [–]ctkg 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                I never doubted that he had good reasons, but this was so uncomfortable to listen to. It's the kind of thing that should have been said to her (ideally before making the final decision to fire her, but that's his choice), not us. Then again there were so many listeners asking for it that we can't really complain.

                                                Either way, it's time to move on. She can move on to bigger and better things with her own show, and Adam now has the chance to find a news girl more suited to what he wants. It will turn out to be a win-win once both sides adjust to their new situation.

                                                [–]JohnnyRyde 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (25子コメント)

                                                This is more than a little uncomfortable to listen to...

                                                My question is, why is he doing this? Alison addressed this on her podcast and didn't really go after him and generally seemed to want to address it and move on to the next phase of her career. Did I miss an episode of something somewhere? This seemed to be dying down and suddenly BANG it's flared up again in a huge way...

                                                [–]bigtbonejohn 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Because he obviously looks like a villain in peoples eyes and is losing fans. Good for him and best of luck to her.

                                                [–]corby_tender 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                because the internet gossip queens haven't stopped complaining since the day he announced that alison is gone. he has been losing followers and downloads because people were demanding an explanation and now they got it.

                                                [–]dubate 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                                He's been getting shit on pretty consistently for the past week on Twitter. Alison was probably enjoying the public support and didn't deter people from calling him out.

                                                I think she had a pretty good idea as to why she was let go, and although shocked at first by the suddenness of it, understood why it happened. Also, not inviting your boss and his wife over for a meal (in a company that has less than 30 employees) at any point over 4 years speaks volumes about the relationship.

                                                Like he said, not one specific thing was cause to fire her, but a dozen separate things added up to him wanting to move forward without her.

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                                                  [–]littlepita2 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  I thought David Wild's comment about Adam's "tonal blind spots" when it comes to his audience captured the issue perfectly. It's his show and he can take it in whatever direction he wants, and I have no problem with the fact that he let Alison go. The issue is with the way he has handled it, both last week and on today's podcast. He has lost a ton of respect and credibility with listeners by under-estimating or perhaps maybe under-valuing his listeners' relationship with his podcast.

                                                  There was no reason he could not sit down with Alison to explain his thought process and reasons, announce his decision, come up with a plan together on how they want to explain it to the audience by being both honest and respectful of each other and of their audience (ie. let the listeners know he felt she wasn't as dedicated to his brand this past year and give a few examples) and then let Alison have a farewell episode. Handling it in this way would have reflected the values he supposedly stands up for- instead, he chose to make a very brief and unceremonious announcement, and after the criticism, went in the extreme opposite direction, taking the risk of disparaging her. you know hes going to say "well thats what you wanted" and make it listeners' fault instead of owning up to the fact that he could have taken a fair, honest, respectful and insightful approach from the start.

                                                  In terms of the reasons he detailed today- I thought some were very relevant (her not wanting his logo on her banner, not doing more bits despite his encouragements etc..), some were super easy to rectify if he just talked to her ("hey can you watch a couple of episodes of catch a contractor so you can add to the conversation" "hey here's the marketing plan for mangria, can you mention it on your podcast? oh that's right you're sober/dont drink, lets see what we can do...) but some were INCREDIBLY petty (she didn't invite him to her home or personal events?? she didn't say bye at the end of the Christmas party?!) and highlight things about Adam's own personality that are worrisome. The whole "constantly weighing pebbles for and against adam" thing is such a weird and disingenuous way of managing his staff. Also, I'm fairly certain she read Bryan's book since she did a very moving, insightful and lengthy interview with him about his book and life experiences on her podcast.

                                                  [–]Ultraviolet13 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                  Alright Adam! Fuckin' A, what a great job laying it all out there. It must have been killing him watching everyone showering Alison with praise and making her #1 in the rankings all the while she was a shitty, disinterested employee. What a bitch, so she likes the guest she gets and relationships she has made through being on Adam's show but doesn't want to promote it or be associated with it once her show is featured, what a stuck up bitch. Notice the little things, Bryan and his wife wish Adam a happy new year and take the time to stop and say goodbye at the end of the party ( pure class ) , meanwhile she just takes off, has never watched or read a fucking thing of his. Wouldn't u be the least bit curious and want to know more about the celebrity who is fucking employing you, take just an inkling of interest in his life? No wonder Lynette sent out those cryptic tweets, I don't blame them. Man am I so happy to hear all this, she always came off as a snobby disinterested bore. Can you imagine Adam that night he did 3 straight shows and walking up to them and saying " so I told u days ago to jot down some topics, what do u got?" Not one fucking thing....she's just sitting there cashing a paycheck while he's tap dancing up there exhausted. No wonder she was begging everyone on twitter to stay positive, she probably didn't want the truth to come out. Man was this podcast therapeutic, thanks Adam!

                                                  [–]DartFred 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                  Can you imagine Adam that night he did 3 straight shows and walking up to them and saying " so I told u days ago to jot down some topics, what do u got?" Not one fucking thing

                                                  I saw them do the live podcast in San Antonio. They didn't have a guest and Alison was such a no-show that after the podcast my wife asked me, "Isn't there supposed to be a female on the show?" She was there, wearing her black boots and black whatever. She just didn't contribute.

                                                  [–]puddboy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  I saw them in Phoenix a couple years ago and my take away at the time was how disinterested she was the whole show. She'd look away the entire time Adam was talking and seemed put-out that she was there at all. After listening to Adam today it all make sense...

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                                                    [–]progwrx 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                    Reasons 1-4 are certainly valid, at least taken at face value. 5-7 still valid although less so. The rest are pretty much bullshit.

                                                    [–]TimeUseMistake 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                    I always hoped that a manager and mentor of mine would give this kind of feedback, to my empty chair, a week after he already fired me.

                                                    Four years.

                                                    [–]ross52066 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                    I've maintained this from day 1. Shitty way to get fired, yes. But Adam still shouldn't have to give any reasoning. This show today just goes to show you that he cares about his listeners more than he does about an ex-employee. That should make the fans feel good. He tried to let it go and not slander her, but he was satisfying his fans.

                                                    [–]devilsadvocate33 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Some of these things, taken on their own, seem incredibly petty. But to me, the weight of each item is multiplied by all that had gone before, and goes to provide an overall picture of her character (or lack thereof).

                                                    To me, it seems that Adam just wanted her to go the extra mile, and to act and think like a sidekick, a.k.a. a supportive member of the team, a.k.a. what she was getting paid to be, but it seems like at almost every turn, she refused to do so.

                                                    I think Adam would have been content with her batting .300 in the "going the extra mile" department, but it doesn't seem like she was even doing that.

                                                    The way he tells it, there seemed to have been an almost systematic passive-aggressiveness with which she avoided going the extra mile. I'm actually being too generous with her here; a lot of the stuff she wasn't doing wasn't "extra mile" stuff, it was just her job.

                                                    And she still wasn't doing it, apparently.

                                                    And she wasn't exactly being asked to dig ditches for 10 hours a day. She was presumably turning her nose up at some really easy, basic, low-effort stuff.

                                                    So either Adam is some kind of lying or exaggerating, or she's some kind of petty, lazy, jealous, thoughtless cunt who didn't understand and/or accept her role on the show.

                                                    [–]Rad_Spencer 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    Alright, I'll be the one to say it.

                                                    I honestly don't care why he fired her, and going into this level of detail is just tasteless. He wanted a change it's his prerogative, but it sounds like it's a bunch of little things that instead of dealing with as they happened he bottled it up and let it pile up.

                                                    All he had to do was fire her in person or at least over the phone, talk about the transition and agree on a message to the fans. All of his problems regarding this came from his immaturity, airing dirty laundry is just going to make things worse.

                                                    [–]somewhere-somewhere 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    It seems like Adam isn't a good boss. He talked about Alison not using some of the news stories. Well, how much of that would have been from Carolla talking too much and running out of time to talk about a story Alison took from that other dude. He never even talked to her about it, but used it as one of the reasons for firing.

                                                    I think he expects people to have a telepathic connection with him. To do what he expects someone to do. That isn't being a good boss.

                                                    Then the whole invite me to personal events and stuff like that, wtf, how about keeping work and personal life separate. Some people aren't as social or in need of a connection as he is.

                                                    But in the end, i guess he didn't see a good connection, so whatever, it's his show.

                                                    [–]Marty_Mac_Fly 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    Damn. I hate to admit this but most of those are good points. I loved Alison on the show and I have unsubscribed from ACS but I must say he makes a good case.

                                                    That being said, two of the points are a stretch to me. Not inviting them to things outside of the show and not saying bye at the party. Adam always makes it clear that he isn't interested in attending other people's events. I know he attended Bald's wedding and such but the way he describes these things as sounding like a chore makes me feel I wouldn't invite him to something either. I wouldn't (and didn't) invite my boss to my wedding or any other event I was having, and I have a great relationship with him. And the party thing is weird. What were the circumstances. I didn't listen to the episode, just read this recap, so maybe he went into it. But he's mad because she didn't say goodbye when she left the Christmas party? That's just weird.

                                                    That being said, his other points are totally valid. Especially not having his logo on her podcast. If you are using the resources (and publicity) of ACS for your show you absolutely are required to throw him a bone.

                                                    So me, personally, I am still out on the show. Less so for the Alison situation now and more because I've just grown tired of the fucked-out stories and bits. The Alison just finally pushed me over the edge.

                                                    One last thought. Isn't it weird how these sorts of things keep happening to Adam? Donny leaves and we get a laundry list of reasons that make Adam seem like the clear angel. Maybe Adam isn't so rosy to work with and when a falling out happens he's able to spin it towards himself.

                                                    [–]RaaronS78 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    "These things keep happening" who else?

                                                    Did you ever listen to the show when Donny was on? & how long did he put up with it...

                                                    He made a decision on how to make the show better, in his mind.. So be it.. & in the bigger picture, makes sense to me..

                                                    [–]Moti7667 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                    He comes off so tacky in this. If you live in LA why would you ever invite your millionaire boss to come to an apartment for dinner when he lives an hour away and does nothing but complain about how he is too busy. Maybe if you ask people why they are behaving the way they do, rather than be a pussy and ask other people about that person, he would have a lot more clarity on people's motivations. I used to think he had some interesting things to say but he just doesn't sound very bright and in way over his head in terms of his business.

                                                    [–]RaaronS78 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    In "over his head".. Probably not... He's recording in his big giant studio that he built & she's recording in her diningroom... I'll bet she slowly fades away,(unless she gets picked up by a major podcast network).

                                                    all the great guests she did get, were from ACS.. Bald, Koy, Morh, & a bunch of others..... She got more from ACS, than lost because of ACS...

                                                    You've gotta remember where your "sandwich" is buttered..

                                                    [–]DartFred 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    If you live in LA why would you ever invite your millionaire boss to come to an apartment for dinner

                                                    The point Adam was making was that he and Alison are not friends. More than that, he was demonstrating that while he attempted to include her, she never reciprocated.

                                                    He was killing the twitter/online accusation that he fired Alison after four years of friendship.

                                                    [–]wazzu_gocougs 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    I would exploit the shit out of my celebrity boss and try to cozy up to them in this situation. E.g. Can Daniel and I take you and Lynnette out to dinner this Sunday

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