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[–]openingceremony 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is the same brother that made Hii Power.

[–]elysiancats 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is...really disappointing. :/

Also, why are there so many male rappers that are white knights for Iggy?? Have they ever been this vigilant for black female rappers? This is a legit question.

[–]CaptainMarvelPhoton 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can't think of one instance.

[–]Capitan_Amazing/r/blackfellas mod 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm hoping that he's just giving her a pass because Swaggy P is his cousin.

As far as the Ferguson quote, I'm as flabergasted as the next person.

[–]Lost_Afropick 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (2子コメント)

There are certain discussions or opinions I feel that even if you genuinely hold them, should be kept "in house". We debate this around US. That's fine. When you discuss such things for a white audience I lose any faith in you. You provide fodder for attack and justification for their demonization of us.

It's naive to imagine otherwise. Very let down by Kendrick.

Also I hardly need to say but he's bought into the account given by Darren Wilson's word alone as if it were 'truth' when it's insanely unrealistic.

[–]RaHxRaH[S] 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are certain discussions or opinions I feel that even if you genuinely hold them, should be kept "in house". We debate this around US. That's fine. When you discuss such things for a white audience I lose any faith in you. You provide fodder for attack and justification for their demonization of us.

I couldn't agree more. They are only asking him the question because it's a hot button issue right now. He can now be counted on the list of black people whose opinion white people use to turn all blame onto Black people. It's really sad.

[–]_Liquorice_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with everything you said. These types of discussions need to take place among Black Americans and only us.

[–]multirachaelMagic Mulatto 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Why is the answer always that we need to work harder? Why does everybody seem so ready to accept that it's totally natural that we should have to put in twice the effort against ten times the obstacles to get half as far? That shit is egregious.

[–]eroverton 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Nnnnngh you guys! It's not about working harder it's about changing our focus. He didn't say anything about twice the effort to get half as far. That's a whitecentric POV. Work twice as hard (as white people) to get half as far (in white society).

He's talking about focusing on improving our own communities. Then entails educating our own communities instead of allowing them to "educate" us. Securing our own communities instead of allowing them to police us. Loving ourselves enough to support one another, and we wouldn't allow any white cops to come up in our neighborhoods starting crap. We'd handle our own business. But as long as we're focused on how we can best fit into their society instead of trying to improve our own, we're going to keep catching the same shit.

[–]wannaridebikes 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hey, I see what you are saying on this topic but, how are you coming to this particular reading of what he said? I'm curious.

[–]raw-sienna 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kendrick has also talked about how "we" don't support our own artists like we should and talked about how in his shows there's mostly white faces.

[–]raw-sienna 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably because all we have is us.

[–]dubstependerfox 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Vicious predators don't care how you act or dress or whatever because they will kill compliance or not. They use whatever is in to bash on as a justification for their actions and the greater public who ignorantly agrees with it are the problem.

[–]excelzombie 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A problem in their complacency, but a symptom too. I don't actively wish them harm, but I do wish them to sit down and take their 'brave...so brave' power-pleaser opinions and sit on them.

[–]CaptainMarvelPhoton 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not a Tariq fan, but he was spot on with this:

http://youtu.be/uoeZkOQxZMY

[–]RaHxRaH[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lmao...."where the white women at??"

[–]racist_reddit 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol. There are so many more faces that can be added to this.

[–]yanibani 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He did not LOL...

I just died.

[–]googoomthabs 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Respectability politics are irrelevant, Kendrick.

[–]wheredoesbabbycakes\o/ don't shoot; Lift every voice and sing Beyonce! 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Disappointed? I'm heartbroken!

Why, Kendrick, why?? 😱😩😭😖😔😞

[–]RaHxRaH[S] 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I loved him. I really did. But this interview took him down several notches in my book. Other things that rubbed me the wrong way in this interview:

On Iggy: "She's doing her thing," he says. "Let her. People have to go through trials and tribulations to get where they at. Do your thing, continue to rock it, because obviously God wants you here."

On his time in the streets: "I got into some things, but God willing, he had favoritism over me and my spirit."

Not because I don't believe in God(I do.) They just annoy me. I promise you it wasn't just God that got Iggy where she is. Or him.

[–]Thelonius_Dunk"one of the good ones" 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea, the Iggy defense rubbed me the wrong way too. When people like Lupe or Will.I.AM defended her, I didnt really care. But Kendrick doing it? Damn, that one kinda hurt. I think the real reason he may have done it is b/c Iggy's bf, Swaggy P, is Kendrick's cousin.

[–]wheredoesbabbycakes\o/ don't shoot; Lift every voice and sing Beyonce! 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

[–]AfleDarth Sadiddy 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes that's why America is the way it is today. You see, Africans, Lati@s and First Nations peoples had widespread low-self respect. When you don't respect yourself, you chain yourself up and load yourself onto slave ships, you wrap yourself up in a diseased blanket, and you only resist half-heartedly against armies with notions of Manifest Destiny. We should learn more from our white friends. They seem to be the most respected and they do so well, it must be their high self-esteem! Maybe this is new knowledge to Kendrick, and he didn't respect himself enough to win over Macklemore. I'm sure now that he's super respectful like Bill Cosby he'll rise to the top!

edit: The revealing of the Uncle Toms and rape apologists in famous people we support has been depressing.

Edit2:

The debate seems to be around what Kendrick meant by "respect". If he meant "respect ourselves" to be 'gain our own power to not be pushed around' and "them to respect us" as 'them realizing that they can't push us around anymore', that's not bad. But if he meant "respect" to mean 'being respectable members of mainstream society' and "them to respect us" as 'they are cool with us now, so they treat us nicer', then he's an Uncle Tom.

Many of us have been burned by respectability politics before. We had to unlearn them, challenge our parents on them. A Black celebrity with Uncle Tom views is nothing new to us. If he elaborates and it turns out he was thinking the other way, I'll question why he's telling the game plan to the opposition, and you can be certain that he'll get more hate from Fox News than "offended" Black folk.

Edit3:

I suspect when people say that we're waiting on the white man to save us and to be accepted by white society, it comes from a place of frustration that all Black Americans or the whole diaspora hasn't banded together to revolt yet. All of the personal struggles to survive and the grassroots movements may seem too little and too slow. Not enough self-love and inner-respect to rise up. The steps of liberation seems to be 1. Realize that you're marginalized and what white supremacy is and how it works & 2. Combine powers with other woke people and rise up. Folks who are rearing to swiftly get step 2 done, ready to ride at dawn are frustrated with people still dealing with step 1. "I'm sick of you talking about white supremacy! It exists! Let's do something about it". Of course there are people doing stuff about it, just not enough for a full revolution. Some are doing Step 1 and Step 2.

It gets interesting with the people who haven't started Step 1. These are often considered Don Lemons and special snowflakes. They don't get what Step 1-ers are talking about in this post racial society. If following the rules like not looking whites in the eye worked for granddad, pulling up your pants will work for you. I guess sometimes some Uncle Tom mess can sound like Step 3 freedom fighting words if interpreted the right way. Honestly I tried to think of an example, but everything is too much of a stretch. Boy didn't say a word about not depending on white people. I wish he did, but he really slap didn't. If he said "If we don't have respect for ourselves, how do you expect for us to gain the power to overcome oppression?" maybe. But even that would be some mess because the self-determination and will to survive that is obviously there (other wise how do you exist? how come your ancestors weren't extinguished?), it just hasn't gotten us to a clear victory. Because the fight is hard. And the fight is long. Step 1-ers, keep talking to educate and wake people up. Harriet said that she could have freed more if they knew they were slaves. Step 2-ers, work the plans and the grassroots. More soldiers are on the way for you. Nobody give up.

[–]BlueberryStout 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck. I really don't want to believe he said this. I want to believe that he spoke improperly. Lyrics are too real. But it's there and I'm super disappointed.

[–]wolfkinnot hating just appreciating 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's exactly tone deaf because it's not wrong but it's not relevant.

When i saw my dad over break i showed him a video his friend sent him via what' app. In the video which was obviously from YouTube and i WISH i could find it. A black dude, bald, light skinned, close to the camera, neck up. Talks about compliance.

His point is that all these videos show people not complying. Garner didn't comply, Brown in theory didn't comply, Rice didn't comply he reached for his waistband.

It was this big thing with him. But the truth is it doesn't matter. Yes Garner would be alive if he had gone with thepolice this time just like the 31 other times he'd been suspected and went along.

But just because it wasn't the ideal procedure that doesn't mean killing them was justified. My dad gets caught up when we mention that the cops pulled uponthe grass less than a foot in front of Rice. "You can't tell a cop where to pull up". My sister started to fight him on this but my point is that it doesn't matter. What does matter was that the gun wasn't in his hands when they pulled up, no one was being threatened when they puled up. They had no reason to suspect a kid that young was that dangerous.

That applies even here to the Lamar statement. Yes black people should have self-respect. They should pull their pants up. But violating these precepts is still justifying their death. Finding a thief in a bank vault doesn't jusitify killing him. The same way that just because the victim is whore doesn't mean her murder should go unsolved. They keep redefining the area of argument. We're not protesting black self esteem. We're protesting what we are calling murder.

[–]redshrekblack dude/ally 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Respectability politics is a real thing and it's easy to understand why so many people believe in it even though it has been shown to be utter rubbish.

[–]LadyLunchableVery black and very Beyonce 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

OMG I don't even like Kendrick that much but what he said is devastating. WE need to do better so white people will respect us? That's the dumbest shit. Please get this boy a [non-whitewashed] history book.

[–]eroverton 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

NO. WE need to do better so we're not DEPENDING on white people to respect us!

JEEPERS YOU GUYS.

I'm sorry. I can't. I'm out for the eve. Peace and love and stuff.

[–]racist_reddit 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know, I guess I'm not really surprised by this. I'm more shocked when I find out someone isn't "new black".

[–]raw-sienna 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (58子コメント)

I don't think there's anything wrong with what he said. My personal initiatives have changed from seeking to equality amongst others to fighting for progress amongst our selves and battle equality on the side on the way. Progress is the most important to me. I'm all for focusing on ourselves first. We can't expect people to care about our issues more than we do so that's where my work and focus lies.

[–]RaHxRaH[S] 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (27子コメント)

But he said, "how do we expect them to respect us" As if our lives are not a human right. As if they depend on us acting right. Like our dignity must be earned and we are failing so we should expect to die. Because we're black. It's like erasing history completely. White people didn't get where they are because they had self-respect! see afle's comment. It's not that we want the police to care about our issues more than we do. They ARE our issue. As far as focusing on ourselves, I get it. But it's not like we exist in a vacuum. If white people were harmlessly ignorant I wouldn't care what they thought.

[–]raw-sienna 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I agree you're right as far as our lives should be inherent rights. That was kinda grimy to say but I understand it. Kinda hard to progress when our lives aren't taken as seriously. Yest still we move forward. I'm not saying there's no place for protests I was out there myself. I'm just saying the future I see is improved by us so that's where I'm at.

[–]excelzombie -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (9子コメント)

The future is now. Change has been happening over and over from our end and can and will continue to happen from our end. You don't work with your head down and just 'hope' someone will recognize you as an individual without racial prejudices being addressed. For small example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booker_T._Washington#Tuskegee_Normal_and_Industrial_Institute

"Washington expressed his vision for his race in his direction of the school. He believed that by providing needed skills to society, African Americans would play their part, leading to acceptance by white Americans. He believed that blacks would eventually gain full participation in society by acting as responsible, reliable American citizens."

Bolding mine. Please note that more prominent and famous figures have spouted similar sentiments. Do you think they assumed that 200ish years from the time they were living in was not 'the future'?

[–]raw-sienna -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I'm not hoping to be recognized. I'm working to succeed regardless of the any and all factors in my way.

[–]the-Tao 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm working to succeed regardless of the any and all factors in my way.

I'm sure that's what most black people are doing across the world. It's quite true for almost any situation in life ("if some people worked hard enough they could make even when the economy is tanked, or even escape genocides"). But it's narrow-minded to bend statistics to fit one's personal experience, or worse, to fit a hypothetical experience they've not gone through. Systemic racism is also reactive - I'm saying this as a so-called model minority. See the Bamboo ceiling, for example. That is, it's not like there is a certain threshold of personal effort minorities need to put in and it ends. If anything, it only naturalises it for the next generation. This is why changing institutions has always been more effective than individual choices.

[–]raw-sienna 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't disagree with anything you've said.

[–]excelzombie -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

What? You are not hoping for the full rights of a human being and a citizen of the US?

Just...gahh, okay dude.

[–]excelzombie 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm talking about me personally. I'm trying to survive. this comment much more eloquently explains what I'm trying to articulate. Also pharrell since people put so much weight on celebrities thoughts.

Oh okay.

so 1. I'm not going to put you down for talking about your personal experience and how you're feeling, but you have to recognize that some things you say invalidate the experiences of others. Maybe this discussion has a place but I've seen that I mostly roll my eyes at this sort of thing as I feel its approaching a topic bass-ackwards...

1b. That subreddit is private. Do I want to know?

and

2, we...we do not all feel positive things about Pharell around here (of course, I haven't been to the blackladies monolith meeting in a while). Which sucks if you care about what musicians have to say, some of his songs are pretty catchy, but if you would read the sidebar on respectability politics I think it would help people understand what informs the opinion of readers.

Hope i didnt f up something, but those are my thoughts. I'm putting this down now.

[–]raw-sienna 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

we...we do not all feel positive things about Pharell around here

which is why I linked to him. I feel he has valid points but has been condemned by the anti 'new black' so all of a sudden everything about him is invalid even when his thoughts are well thought out and on 'our side'

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      [–]PM_ME_YOUR_HD_STREAM 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      No we're not a monolith and Kdot isn't talking about all black people he's talking about the ones who are lost.

      But black people in America are treated as one. He is implying our 'respect' is/should be tied to the lives of black criminals (while also ignoring the institutions that create them). No amount of 'self-respect' can make up for the role of the policies that shape black lives in America.

      [–]RaHxRaH[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (13子コメント)

      When he makes the comment about 'respecting us' I think Kdot is also referring to specific segment of the population that don't respect their own lives. Kids like the ones im GKMC do not respect their lives. Risking your life constantly and taking others is not respecting yourself.

      How did these kids become this way? What forces shaped their lives? It didn't happen overnight.

      My interpretation is that Kendrick wants more focus on people living not seizing the opportunities around them or limiting themselves. No we're not a monolith and Kdot isn't talking about all black people he's talking about the ones who are lost.

      He said "we" and "us". The way he said it makes black people a monolith. If he was talking about a specific segment of the population, he would have said it. He made the statement in the context of Mike Brown's death. Was he suggesting that Mike died because he didn't respect himself? You are giving him too much credit. Even if that is what he was trying to say, he did it completely recklessly and should still be taken to task.

      Can we not admit they exist? Can we talk about the lapse in mental health care / self care that is rampant in these specific situations.

      Yes, we should. We do. But like /u/Lost_Afropick said, these are conversations we should be having amongst ourselves. And it was completely inappropriate to bring it up in response to that question and knowing full well your audience is white. The lapse in mental health/self care is also a result of many intersecting issues. Why is that these celebrities never bring those up? It's always just, "We've gotta do better! We aren't working hard enough!" I'm over it.

      idk man I believe the road to prosperity is through our own progress. I know it aint been that long and I don't think we're on equal footing but the only way I know how to change that is by doing what I can to facilitate success amongst ourselves.

      It's true we all need to do what we can to facilitate success. Supporting black businesses, creating sustainable black institutions, sustaining a strong black media. But sentiments like this are really damaging to our cause. We need resources to do these. We need changes in public policy. But if people(black, white, etc) just think we're being lazy or don't care as a group, it makes it harder to achieve those goals.

      I just find it so disheartening that these conversations have to take a back seat and anyone who suggests them is basically publicly stoned.

      See it isn't a conversation though. These are just sound bites that will inevitably be used against us. He isn't just talking about the issues in tandem. He is suggesting one(lack of self-respect) is the cause of the other(police brutality).

      [–]raw-sienna 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (12子コメント)

      But if people(black, white, etc) just think we're being lazy or don't care as a group, it makes it harder to achieve those goals.

      But he didn't even say any of that! All he said was basically we need to focus on both and I agree with him. I don't buy the 'our spaces' thing thats not a reason to disregard his very valid point of view.

      [–]RaHxRaH[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      No, he didn't. But do you honestly not feel like what he said feeds into that mentality? Also, I'm curious what you thought of the rest of what I wrote.

      Just to be clear: I think understand your position. I don't think you should be downvoted for it. You are interpreting his statement differently than I am. But I think you are being too charitable.

      [–]PM_ME_YOUR_HD_STREAM 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

      I don't buy the 'our spaces' thing thats not a reason to disregard his very valid point of view

      I don't buy having such 'discussions' even. It's like teaching rape-prevention tactics in front of potential rapists. It's an individual talk if you want to have that. Stop whitewashing racism.

      [–]raw-sienna 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

      Cool well let me know how that works out for you.

      [–]PM_ME_YOUR_HD_STREAM 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

      Same for you too. Implying black people don't work while tired of the status quo. I must have missed when respectability led to Civil Rights.

      [–]raw-sienna 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

      TIL focusing on black progress is respectability

      [–]PM_ME_YOUR_HD_STREAM 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      TIL black people have not been focused on black progress.

      [–]thestillnessinmyeyes 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (11子コメント)

      Progress is the most important to me. I'm all for focusing on ourselves first. We can't expect people to care about our issues more than we do so that's where my work and focus lies.

      While I agree that these sentiments are inappropriately timed when addressing things like police brutality, I am often left wondering "When can we finally have this conversation?" Because these conversations do need to be had and while we can acknowledge all day long that a large portion of the issues faced by the black community are the products of colonization and white supremacy, I think it's naïve to think we can continue to call on white America to fix these problems for us. Simply because we understand it SHOULD be their onus doesn't mean that in reality we can expect them to carry it.

      If these conversations are being had, please point me in the right direction because I just never hear them save in the comments sections at the most inappropriate places and times.

      -edit- Sorry, needed to add that I am very aware that there are people within their communities doing the best possible and they are often shit on and shut down or just unsupported in their endeavors from the get go. I know not everyone is waiting on whitey to fix it all and that, frankly, the biggest hurdle is just getting Whitey TM to leave us alive and alone long enough to work.

      [–]raw-sienna 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (9子コメント)

      Idk what you mean by 'where these conversations' are happening. There /r/codeblack but beyond that I follow a lot of active mostly tech and creative black folks on twitter. I unfollowed the think piece millers. I've had enough of think pieces, and indignant opinion shouters. And just follow people who are creating and focus on connecting black professionals and youth initiatives so when I can make my own I can learn from their process.

      I'm also over exiling everyone who doesn't think the black community is beyond reproach for whatever reason. You get stuck in this toxic loop when you block out people's opinions who you don't agree with, it's illogical.

      [–]AfleDarth Sadiddy 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      I'm also over exiling everyone who doesn't think the black community is beyond reproach for whatever reason.

      My issue with critiquing The Black Community is that we are not a monolith. I find it harmful for people in the public eye to talk about millions and millions of people like we are all poor, homophobic, come from single mother households, think reading isn't cool, etc. These sorts of things come up when white America wants to give an answer to "why do Black Americans suffer" without the answer being "white supremacy". For example, the news makes a big thing out of "Black on Black violence" even though white people kill each other at the same rates. As Black people, that makes us more afraid and work hard to keep our children off of the streets, discourage them from joining gangs, creating programs for inner city youth, etc. White people don't get pressured over white on white violence, and many have already pointed to "violence in the Black Community" to try to (somehow) make the fight against State violence less valid. "You don't care about killing yourselves! Why are you concerned over police brutality?!!"

      If we are to talk about issues that Black people face amongst each other, we should have it in our spaces. Topics on colorism, misogynoir, transphobia, homophobia, etc, should be (and have been) discussed amongst Black folks. But I don't want us being scared into responsibility politics and combating foolish stereotypes that don't really apply.

      [–]raw-sienna 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      okay have3 it in our spaces. Where is Pharrell supposed to talk about his feelings on race? As far as I can see the "new black' label is being used to push people out of 'our spaces'. even now I'm not even trying to have a conversation about the conversation we been here so many times. I talk to people who see something in the world they're trying to change and are putting plans into to motion or are talk about plans. Personally I'm not here for talking about talking. Yes white supremacy is evil and insidious and permeates through everything around us. I personally feel like I have a better chance of progress by working with the cards I've been dealt so my kids can get a better a deal. Because if we dont change the cards no one else will. I'm focusing on the shit I can control and to make whatever impact I can.

      [–]AfleDarth Sadiddy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I suppose if Pharrell came in here he could talk about his feelings. There would likely be a discussion about respectability politics. If someone was to ask a person "what do you mean by 'new black'" a similar discussion would happen.

      I don't know if you have the time or energy, but it would be great if you could post content on good plans or highlight people/groups who are taking action.

      [–]raw-sienna 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Sure. I'm still at work right now but there is /r/codeblack, in my post history I've posted a few podcasts. one I really like is http://www.of10podcast.com/ which is new but

      of10 is a podcast hosted by tech entrepreneur and former radio personality Will Lucas. On the 10 episode podcast series, Will interviews prominent and up-and-coming technology personalities to discuss the pipeline into technology, startups, and ideas.

      I also like the Combat Jack Podcast. I'm finding podcasts very useful because its uninterrupted conversation and you can't just close the webpage when someone says something you don't like and you have to listen to the sides of the conversation. My focus is mostly on creatives and technologists because thats where my skills lie. I also try to hear more on education to learn from that. I did a big post on the podcasts I listen to in /r/brownladies and I we should definitetly do a 'people to follow on twitter thread'. I don't want to sound *unempathetic. I love us, I hate what white supremacy has done. Honestly everything since Mike Brown has brought oout a lot of solidarity amongst us which I love and has actually made it a lot easier to find black professionals with activism in their hearts.

      [–]RaHxRaH[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I just listened to one these. Thanks for the link! It was great.

      [–]eroverton 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You get stuck in this toxic loop when you block out people's opinions who you don't agree with, it's illogical.

      THIS THIS THIS. At some point, the whole "how dare you criticize us, look what we've been through" thing has got to stop. YES, it is important to recognize how we got to where we are, but the point of that is not so we can wait for someone else to fix it, it's so we are aware that the problem was created by people (them) and it can be fixed by people (us). It's important to understand these things because there are some people out there that truly believe that the reason Black people have been in this disadvantaged situation is because we are naturally inferior and therefore cannot be helped without the help of the benevolent whites. Once we understand that we were deliberately PUT in this position (rather than having fallen into it by natural selection), then we can understand that we have the power to get OUT of this position.

      But that power comes with the necessity of taking a good long look at ourselves and finding out what we, not they can do for ourselves to make our situation better. That means pointing out what's wrong and moving to correct those things while supporting that which is positive and directing our efforts to the continued success of those things. We're not above critique because we've been victimized. Recognizing our own areas in need of improvement does not indemnify the guilty. It merely helps us move forward.

      [–]thestillnessinmyeyes 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I love it!

      I didn't even know r/codeblack was a thing, thank you!

      (also, I don't know if it was unclear in my initial post tone but I was agreeing with you)

      [–]raw-sienna 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Oh yes I got that! My tone can be very dry <3 have a good day

      [–]raw-sienna 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Oh yeah I get what you mean by 'where are these conversations hapoening' now cause they're obviously not trying to have them here. Oh well.

      [–]AfleDarth Sadiddy 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's not conversation exactly but...

      Black Owned Businesses

      Official Black Wallstreet

      [–]eroverton 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (17子コメント)

      THANK YOU. Jesus Christ.

      [–]raw-sienna 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (16子コメント)

      Banging my head over here.

      [–]eroverton 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (15子コメント)

      Sometimes I can't with these knee-jerk 'how dare he' responses to perfectly legitimate statements. And adding in a whole lot of extra that people didn't say in order to justify the knee-jerking.

      TL;DR: Advocating self-respect and self-improvement is not about trying to make white people happy with us. It's about doing the right things to benefit ourselves and help ourselves out of the condition we're in. Fuck what white people think about it. We really have to STOP thinking about everything from a whitecentric perspective.

      "Oh so you claim that we need to change our behavior in order to make white people stop disrespecting and killing us? Like that's our fault?"

      "No.. I'm saying we have things we need to do in order to do better for ourselves. If we focused on strengthening ourselves from within, white people would not be a concern."

      [–]SihtTaKcusI 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      TL;DR: Advocating self-respect and self-improvement is not about trying to make white people happy with us. It's about doing the right things to benefit ourselves and help ourselves out of the condition we're in. Fuck what white people think about it. We really have to STOP thinking about everything from a whitecentric perspective.

      I'm all for self-improvement, but I'm not going to pretend he didn't say it in response to being questioned about a white cop killing a black kid.

      [–]eroverton 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      But hark at this: if we took proper control of our own communities, with the self-respect and self-regard we deserve from one another, no white cop would be able to waltz in, kill one of our children and waltz away.

      Self-respect is about loving one another enough, and protecting one another enough to not allow it to happen. It's not about changing their minds about us.

      [–]SihtTaKcusI 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I don't really think it's self-respect that's the issue. I think there are institutions in place that make it very difficult for us to control our own communities effectively. And when we do achieve a modicum of self-sufficiency, sabotage is too often soon to follow. So it bothers me when people insist it starts with self-respect, when it really starts with getting out from under your oppressor.

      [–]eroverton 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      You have to have the self respect before you even recognize there is an oppressor. That's what was present in the Civil Rights Era and what's becoming present again now and that's why we're organizing because we're believing we're worth fighting for again. All of this stuff was going on in our communities in the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s that's happening today but we got lulled into lethargy and fed the propaganda that Black people weren't worth fighting for.

      Self-respect isn't just about feeling good about your self, it's in finding worth and value in your people and being willing to fight for their lives. You need that if you have any hope of getting out from under an oppressor because collective work does it, not individuals.

      [–]SihtTaKcusI 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I see what you're saying, and I pretty much agree. I'm just not so sure if that's what Kendrick was getting at.

      [–]PM_ME_YOUR_HD_STREAM 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That is your idea of self-respect but do you think that is what Kdot is saying that you willing to defend this?

      [–]raw-sienna 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

      shit basically comes down to 'Kdot why are you making us look bad in front of the white people' with all this 'this should be in house talk' Like can we move past the semantics please? and listen and work together? Not for anyone else just for us. How can that possibly be a bad thing??

      [–]eroverton 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      How can that possibly be a bad thing??

      This is what's driving me crazy about this conversation. Seriously, suggesting we improve our own relationships with each other is somehow offensive? Are you friggin kidding me?

      [–]the-Tao 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Because it implies we've never improved ourselves, we are not improving, hell, we have always been against it. Frankly, that's why I find the idea of 'Black progress' very, very redundant. It sounds almost hypocritically evangelical in nature. It's self-righteous moralising: "Do this (like me) and you shalt all be saved." Ignoring the fact that millions of black people do this everyday, silently (unlike kdot), and still face systemic challenges.

      [–]raw-sienna 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Its not ignoring systematic challenges it's seeking progress and creating opportunities despite them. Shout out to the millions of black people doing this every and here's to many many more.

      [–]the-Tao 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Yeah, it's sad you both are getting heavily downvoted. But if you're going to say something against the grain, it requires more than a couple of bullet points especially on the internet. I get your points, though I don't agree with them for the most part.

      [–]eroverton 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      It doesn't imply that he's doing anything better than other people. He's speaking of what we, as a collective, can do to help improve our OWN condition of life besides waiting for white people to fix it.

      [–]the-Tao 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I think we have always made things happen rather than wait for others to fix it. Other than that I agree with your points we should keep doing more of that in spite of institutional racism. It also doesn't mean we can't address both at the same time.

      [–]raw-sienna 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      applause emoji

      [–]wisesonACcounting down the days until the black panther movie!! 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Wow Kendrick.

      [–]IrbyTremor 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (9子コメント)

      He's dead to me

      [–]Thelonius_Dunk"one of the good ones" 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (8子コメント)

      He can take his seat next to TI, Don Lemon, and the rest of em.

      [–]CaptainMarvelPhoton 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      What did TI do?

      [–]wolfkinnot hating just appreciating 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Snoop Dogg made fun of Iggy Azalea.

      Azalea was signed by TI.

      Iggy and Snoop have twitter beef

      T.I. Steps in as a black man to have man to man with Snoop.

      Snoop apologizes to Iggy.

      The problem: If iggy wants to be a rapper she gotta handle her own beef. TI stepping in and saving the precious and most delicate white girl when a large percentage of the community has a problem with the audio black face she's wearing.

      edit

      just remembered version two of this

      Q-Tip pens an introduction to being black letter to Iggy

      Iggy is flippant back

      TI again steps into the ring to suggest that "Hey, you know white people aren't like evil thieves right? like you know this right?"

      [–]Lost_Afropick 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Have Iggy's bank during the recent spat between her and Azealia Banks where Banks called Iggy out on a lot of the appropriation and nonsense she was riding and how she gets privilidge in the industry and Iggy kinda went lalalala not listening... TI and other white knighted and ran to little poor blonde girls defence.

      [–]LadyLunchableVery black and very Beyonce 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Not only that but he threatened Azealia Banks with physical abuse

      [–]CaptainMarvelPhoton 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Wow. Hollywood really changes people huh...

      [–]LadyLunchableVery black and very Beyonce 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Don Lemon deserves a special seat... next to donald sterling

      [–]excelzombie 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Shouldn't lupe be in the middle of those two as well? I mean....kkk costume guys...

      [–]Capitan_Amazing/r/blackfellas mod 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Lupe needs to be on an island somewhere with Mos Def.

      [–]ordinaryintrovert 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      that moment when you realize macklemore understands white privilege better than kendrick lamar. damn.

      [–]ParticularYouthNO Apologies 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I knew something was a little off about this guy. I couldn't quite understand why everyone in "the industry" was riding his dick so hard after the Macklemore win. Oh well. I said I wouldn't be bothered when celebrities say weird shit anymore. This whole article is Kendrick-Indulgent something is just so....off.