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Dalhousie suspends 13 dentistry students from clinic amid Facebook scandal (cbc.ca)

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[–]in4realOntario 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (113子コメント)

Seems excessive. More appropriate would have been a formal apology, some sort of mandatory training, community service, etc.

Instead lives ruined for poor taste comments.

[–]pasjobQuébec 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (9子コメント)

They are not expel, I suggest reading this from official source: http://www.dal.ca/news/media/media-releases/2015/01/05/dalhousie_suspends_13_fourth_year_dental_students_from_clinical_activities_.html

[–]in4realOntario 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

The official source says they are suspended.

[–]SGNick 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Suspended from clinic, not class

[–]in4realOntario -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Clinic optional?

[–]SGNick 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'm assuming it's mandatory to if you ever want to practice dentistry.

[–]in4realOntario 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

So why make the distinction between clinic and class?

[–]SGNick 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

They can maybe still get the degree with classes only, but not practice.

I'm honestly not sure. University politics are ridiculous, at best.

[–]Gluverty 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (102子コメント)

Well, perhaps they're not suited for this field. Their lives are not ruined, just their dental careers.

[–]no_diceQuébec 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (54子コメント)

Given that they most likely took on 6 figure debts to get to the point they are now with the intention of paying them off with a high paying career in dentistry, I would say that their lives would be profoundly affected were they not able to practice eventually.

[–]Confusedandlost123 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

then they should have thought about that before they acted.

they have a code of conduct that is taken very seriously.

[–]bravadoOntario 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's unreasonable to end someone's career before they even get a chance to start it for childish and wholly inappropriate comments. Your proposed punishment doesn't fit the severity of the alleged crime.

[–]AkesgerothQuébec 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It takes a tremendously disconnected individual to think the average person can recover from the loss of three years of college studies.

[–]raven0usvampireManitoba 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (43子コメント)

That's like saying: You spent your entire academic career building up to this point with hundreds of thousands spent on tuition and text books; countless hours of studying.

But because you posted some shit on a private internet forum. We're going to say, you're not suited for this field.

[–]Confusedandlost123 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (40子コメント)

yep. that's perfectly reasonable, considering the field they are going into has a certain code of conduct and puts their clients into already venerable positions around them.

[–]raven0usvampireManitoba -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (39子コメント)

I dare you to find me 1 male in this entire world who has never said anything racist or sexist.

Therefore by that regard, no one is qualified to be Doctors or Dentists.

[–]Bulldawglady 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

From day one of med school, my class was warned that our internet behavior is held to a higher standard. If you don't like it, leave.

[–]raven0usvampireManitoba -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Well maybe if they got the same lecture as you. but since we don't know if they did or not...

[–]Bulldawglady 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's standard at every professional school.

[–]raven0usvampireManitoba -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

And you would know this because.... you have attended all of them?

[–]Bulldawglady 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Because I have friends at other schools and because I researched most schools to determine which ones I wanted to apply to. Part of that included reading their student handbooks.

[–]Confusedandlost123 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (31子コメント)

how many of them specifically detailed what they would do to a specific person?

[–]raven0usvampireManitoba 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (30子コメント)

I feel like you're moving the goal post.

So it's OK to be sexist and racist and a doctor or dentist as long as you don't talk about a specific person? I can do it too.

[–]Confusedandlost123 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (29子コメント)

no, it's not ok, but that's where it crosses the line from unacceptable joke into the territory of legally a threat, illegal acts, and fully a reason for your removal from the industry, as it begins to show intent.

[–]raven0usvampireManitoba 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (28子コメント)

I'm pretty sure if you're just talking shit about someone behind their back. it's not a legal threat.

So if you don't cross the line and talk about anyone in particular. Just make some casual sexist or racist comments like how terrible asian women are at driving and they should be banned from driving. That'd be OK in your book for a doctor and dentist. I mean they did nothing illegal. But as soon as someone says "That asian woman is terrible at driving and should be banned from driving". Then that's a crime.

[–]Confusedandlost123 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (27子コメント)

no, your examples carry no threat, so while shitty attitudes, they don't likely violate any law or code of conduct to any real extent.

More accurate would be a comparison of "i hate asians, i wish we kept them all in concentration camps" which while a really, really racist comment, is not targeted nor showing intent of action, so likely would not result in fall out, but if they said "i hate this asian, i'm going to lock them up and rape them, show them their place" you have crossed not only the ethical line, but a legal one too.

the problem with these 13 people is that they didn't say 'you know, with all these women under anesthetic, they could really be easily raped'(not a threat, no specific intent or subject) they were saying how they 'totally could rape this woman when they put her under sedation' which gave both intent and a subject, crossing the line into legal threat territory, no matter how 'joking' they said it.

[–]Gluverty 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If they had made those comments about a colleague or client while working they would be terminated on the spot, no question. It certainly falls under professional conduct.

[–]raven0usvampireManitoba 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

uh no they wouldn't.. Have you ever had a job?

If it wasn't said to the person directly, at most they'd get some forced counselling from HR and a warning or something.

You can't fire people for stuff they do in their own private time unless it was ACTUALLY Illegal. Like they were found guilty of a crime.

[–]Luke_Poley 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

After spending 6 figures on a university education? Yeah. They seem pretty ruined. I hate to take their side, and I'm really not doing that, what they did was effing stupid, but I'm a university student, and if you told me "oh, by the way, you'll never work in the field you've spent years and years and a hundred thousand dollars on. Oh, BTW those loans are due next month, good luck." I would, more than likely, fall apart completely. So I empathize with that.

[–]Gluverty -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's completely 100% their fault though. Too bad no one taught them how to be better people, I suppose, but at some point adults are responsible for their actions.