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Dalhousie suspends 13 dentistry students from clinic amid Facebook scandal (cbc.ca)

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[–]terraformedcylinder 98 ポイント99 ポイント  (39子コメント)

I think a lot of people are missing the fact that these were comments targeted at specific people which, while maybe not explicitly threatening, could certainly reasonably be taken as impliedly threatening.

How would you feel sitting in class next to a supposed professional who you knew had joked about "hate fucking" you specifically, on the same page where he made comments about drugging women? It's not just about hurt feelings, it's clearly much more than that.

I don't know what the right response is - I suspect expulsion is not the answer - but I worry about the cavalier attitude that so many in this thread seem to be taking.

[–]ErikKarlssonsHair 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (38子コメント)

It is a bad thing and it deserves to be punished. But people are yelling around saying that hate fucking is a rape threat. No it isn't. Hate fucking is when two consented individuals have angry hate sex. So I'm assuming the two individuals did not like each other, and the guy wanted to have sex with her. He just unwisely chose to post his feelings to a Facebook group and it got exposed. People are crying for expulsion. I want restorative justice. I want these young men to understand that what they've done is horrible. I don't want their lives ruined for making a post to Facebook.

[–]Re-readingQuantifier 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (18子コメント)

You're assuming that everyone uses the expression "hate fucking" in exactly the same way all the time. They don't.

[–]dudehere976 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think he's pointing out the subjective nature of commentary.

[–]baconperogies 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, that's just like your opinion man...

[–]TardisTechnologistNova Scotia -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course. Radical feminists think "hate fucking" is synonymous with rape, just like they think looking at someone or breathing the air from the same room without ongoing consent is rape (and patriarchy is responsible "normalizing" the word rape btw, not them).

Rational people would go by the usual definition or look it up before screaming the R word and starting a witch hunt.

[–]newimpartial 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is a dipshit argument*. In colloquial English, "rape" is sex without consent. Discussing which of the women in the programme one wishes to "hatefuck" is equivalent to discussing which of the Gentlemen in the FB group one wishes to sodomize. It is agnostic to consent, i.e. "rapey".

*Dipshit because it raises the whole raping by breathing nonsense which is worse than a straw man.

[–]Mordecus 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is a semantic argument. Someone you have a mutual dislike with is discussing hate fucking you in a forum commonly used by your peers - any sane person is going to perceive that as threatening. If you can't see that , then you've led a very sheltered existence.

[–]ErikKarlssonsHair 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm very unsheltered. I can see it, and given the context of the other posts I can see the reasoning behind that train of thought. But this particular post doesn't seem too bad compared to the others. I'm assing the poster knows this girl and dislikes her, but thinks she is hot and given the opportunity would like to have angry consensual sex with her

[–]newimpartial 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Except that when you talk about hate fucking someone who doesn't want to hate fuck you back, then you are actually talking about rape.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for people insisting that because the primary meaning of hatefucking in the urban dictionary is a consensual act, that nobody should conceivably be offended. The primary meaning of sodomize is a consensual act too, but that doesn't mean we should all be talking about which DSS 2015 Gentlemen we think should be sodomized.

[–]12345768 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

so if i say i want to fuck someone i'm talking about rape? cause that's kinda silly.

[–]newimpartial -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Context, dude. If you're talking about your personal or political enemies, yeah, you probably are.

[–]12345768 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Or maybe they are attractive and i just want to sleep with them, the same line of thinking brings us to some creep saying "i love you" means that he wants to drug the girl and rape her.

language is hard to interpret sometimes it's probably not a good idea to assume things without proof it starts getting dangerous.

[–]newimpartial 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah but a creep's "I love you" can be sexual harassment; saying that you "want to hatefuck" someone you hate can be rapey. Both are punishable based on workplace appropriateness and standards of conduct; they need not meet a standard of criminal "proof".

[–]sinsyder- 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (11子コメント)

If a female student tells another friend in a private mesage that she wants to fuck another classmate until she passed out from exhaustion. I would have have a hard time calling for her to be expelled and unworthy of a professional career let alone stating her message was meant to infer raping her classmate.

The way this has been handled is absurdity.

[–]newimpartial 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (10子コメント)

What if the female student that she wanted to drug her classmate then fuck him until he passed out? Would that be rapey enough for you?

[–]sinsyder- 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

That didn't happen in this case by the way. The "Does this rag smell like chloroform?" joke (an old, old joke) was directed towards a male student because he had a stupid look on his face. The person "passed out" was not the female student either.

But don't let facts get in the way of your narrative.

[–]newimpartial 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Context, dude. Context pulls together the rapey captions and jokes in the Gentlemen's group with the hatefuck poll. That context doesnt exist in your classroom example, which is why I created some context of my own.

[–]sinsyder- 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

No one said they wanted to drug and rape a classmate.

[–]newimpartial 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

No, they made jokes about drugging and raping strangers, and separately had a poll about hatefucking classmates. You responded to this situation by saying, would we expell a female student for PMing a sex fantasy to her friend. I am saying that in context the situation is not equivalent, and proposed a context (a comment about drugging the fantasy object) that succinctly builds a fairly comparable context. What part of this do you have trouble understanding?

[–]sinsyder- 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

The context of the "drugging" comment was an old joke. It is impossible to render a person unconscious with a chloroform soaked rag which every student knows hence why it is clearly not a threat in any way shape or form.

If I were to read this story without context I would have thought the facebook group was threatening to drug and rape women, it was not. It is disgusting to see people exploit rape victims like this. Shame on all of you.