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Dalhousie’s Dental Hysteria - Margaret Wente (theglobeandmail.com)

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[–]Weyland_Ind -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Wente claims "If you make a stupid, juvenile mistake, you can be utterly destroyed."

But it depends on the mistake. In this case it wasn't that they used Facebook and mistakingly believed they would remain anonymous. It wasn't that they though rape jokes would be funny or that polling who to hate-fuck would be acceptable but were mistaken.

Mistakes happen in math, not in a persons character. Through their own actions their character was exposed for everyone to see.

Tough shit for them. By now they should have known actions have consequences. They're not children and why people keep trying so hard to treat them like they are is just sad.

The people who were involved in this are 100% responsible for what happened. Not their targets, not women, not outraged and pissed off people. They brought this on themselves and I don't for one second feel sorry for them or think they should be pitied and babied.

Welcome to the world of responsibility.

[–]M4Strings[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Because how people act in a PRIVATE online setting is an indication of how people are for sure going to act in a public and professional setting. Just like how I act in a video game would affect how I'll act in public. Same line of reasoning, so I'm gonna go beat up some hookers, blow a dude's balls off with a shotgun, and beat up everyone I can find with a 4 foot purple dildo sword and steal their money.

Actions have consequences, but you don't expect one to be having your entire future ruined for saying non-PC shit in a private group.

As for being responsible for what happened, what happened? Seriously, what actual, physical harm did their words cause. There's been a lot of "it made me FEEL unsafe" but that's all it is. No one was in danger, no one was harmed. Yes the words were unprofessional, but people act weird in a closed off intimate setting. Make them take some sensitivity training and then let it go.

[–]CatchHerInTheEye 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If these people were already employed and their employer found this out in the same way they would be fired in a second. Its common knowledge that employers will google potential employees and look at their social media content and if they don't like what they see, they can decide to not hire you. They can also decide to fire you if your social media content doesn't gel with their MO. How is this different? They connected their online group with their university faculty/class, they talked about people in that group in a violent way, why the hell SHOULDN'T they be kicked out? They would be fired if they were in a job. People keep equating kicking them out of school as being the same as branding them criminals, which is 100% not the cas.

[–]Weyland_Ind -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not a video game. Jesus...

[–]kKqnB2JScqcQBjbD48oo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You seem to have an opinion opposite enough of mine, but capable of seeing reason that I'd love to have a lengthy discussion with you.

But I struggle to express my opinions concisely. Let me gather my thoughts and PM you and work on an epic case worthy of /r/changemyview

[–]mismos00 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

No the media and special interest groups are trying to force their narrative and the consequences they feel are appropriate. They haven't committed a crime, they were guys joking around in a forum they thought was private. If my private conversations with the 'guys' and even some girls were made public certainly a percentage of the population that doesn't understand me and my weird sense of humor would be vilify me for some political agenda.

The fact that what they said became public and some girls found out what was said about them is unfortunate and I can understand it causing those girls some distress and for that those guys should have to apologize. The other gross part, besides what these guys said, is that someone felt the need to tell/show the girls about it. If I told a friend in private that I hated a coworker, or wanted to fuck a coworker, and that friend told that other coworker that person would have a right to be upset or offended, but it would be my friends fault for sharing a private conversation. I still have a right to my thoughts and feelings and when I feel safe and with friends we say the most extreme things to each other to try to get a rise out of each other and shock each other into laughter. I have girl friends that love disgusting humor, that yes, include rape jokes, race jokes... anything... nothing is off limits.

[–]CatchHerInTheEye 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You don't need to commit crime to be kicked out of university. Why do people keep equating this situation with criminal activity? If these guys were employed and their employers found this shit they would be fired IN A SECOND. If you tie yourself to your faculty on social media and people find out about it and they don't feel that your views gel with their M.O, they can AND WILL fire you.

[–]mismos00 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"You don't need to commit crime to be kicked out of university. Why do people keep equating this situation with criminal activity?"

This story is running as if these guys killed someone and nobody cares, when in fact it's not even clear they even violated any school rules, and people that don't know these students or hardly anything about the situation are calling for HARSH punishments before any due process, AND ON TOP of all that, the offensive things they said were in a PRIVATE setting meant for friends and someone STOLE their personal message/information and shared it (that seems to me to be the only crime here). This whole thing seems to break certain rights and freedoms of these students for the sake of deferring to public mob mentality with a politic agenda.

"If these guys were employed and their employers found this shit they would be fired IN A SECOND. "

NOT if it was private information that was stolen from them. I believe that would be grounds for unfair/wrongful dismissal lawsuit. You can't break the law against someone and use that as evidence against them to ruin their lives because you find their sense of humor gross. I find that disturbingly immoral.

[–]CatchHerInTheEye 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah you have a right to your thoughts and your opinions, and employers and institutions have the right to fire you/kick you out if your opinions, which have become public knowledge, does not match their MO.

[–]mismos00 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe, I don't know about punishing people for their private associations and humor, but the fact that this information was stolen and shared makes me think this is suspect.

BUT, the employer is not being allowed to handle it as they want... they are being strong armed by a vocal minority that claims a morally superior attitude to accept the punishment that THEY feel is necessary. This is vigilante justice and mob mentality at its worse and it's not fair to the 13 students or Dalhousie or the females that were the targets of their comments (who are now being used as political pawns by these groups). I honestly find it all very disturbing.

[–]Logicarn 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The mistake wasn't that they thought they were anonymous, the mistake was a PRIVATE GROUP JOKE got out to the public and now we have people offended that people think/say this. I get that actions should have consequences, but lets be honest here, no physical abuse occurred.

Why are you so hung up on removing anonymity on the internet? You are on a open forum which promotes anonymity crying that nothing is anonymous or private anymore.

[–]thebelowisnotfactual 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

IMHO the media as well as our governing bodies are doing everything they can to draw negative attention to the idea of anonymity. They can't figure out how to stop it, so they want to change the cultural approval. From degrading what the anonymous movement was to a bunch of fedora wearing, SJW's to saying the only way we can protect our children online is to give authorities more power. Companies can't use anonymous market data. Ad's can't cater to anonymous users. Anon's can't be held accountable for their actions online. Basically no one can figure out how to make money off of anonymous users, thus anon is BAD.

[–]CLB2015 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've got a feeling that most of the people downvoting you have never had a job outside of their weekly paper route. They really don't get it.