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[–]willpunchyou 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (43子コメント)

I think that's fair.

[–]Readed-it 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I will admit, I originally wanted these guys to be punished for their arrogant and cunty comments. I can picture a subset of that Dentistry class thinkinn they are hot shit just because they will have the title of dentist and make buttloads of money. I also don't believe in knee-jerk reactions to appease the masses ESPECIALLY if it was me in the cross-hairs. I would want a fair inquiry.

I'm glad there was a call to arms because it make Dalhouise carefully choose their course of action, whether they would have done on their own accord is debatable considering the PR fall-out that has occurred already.

I'm confident this investigation will play out with proper justice because it is in the limelight.

[–]pinkpamplemousse 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (5子コメント)

While I don't approve of Dal's earlier inaction (i.e., when they did nothing with complaints that were brought to them months ago), this seems like a reasonable, measured approach that recognizes the many stakeholders and the complexity of the situation.

[–]Vanq86 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I probably missed something but do you have a link to anywhere it says they received complaints moths ago? The only thing I saw said it was brought forth near the beginning of December, which I think is a reasonable time ago.

[–]pinkpamplemousse 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe I originally heard it on CBC radio news.

Complaints brought forward in the summer were regarding "sexism, preferential treatment of male students, and sexual harassment" in the Faculty of Dentistry. "Students dropped these charges because they could not be filed anonymously." (See http://schools-training.com/news/education-news-press/13-dentistry-students-suspended-dalhousie-university.html#sthash.VSGYpsTi.dpuf)

The inability of students to file decisions anonymously is what led the professors to file their December complaint anonymously - i.e., to set a precedent for anonymous reporting.

[–]pinkpamplemousse 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And here's what a December 21st article by the Dalhousie Gazette had to say on the issue:

"Here is where it’s worth remembering that some female dentistry students elected to not pursue anything this summer when they were told their complaints would not be anonymous.

But as far as we know in this case – which is very little – no women came forward to the administration to complain and then rejected pursuing options of the sexual harassment policy specifically because they could not remain anonymous.

It should definitely be considered that some women would not want to come forward at all because they know they could not be anonymous, or they do not want to complain for any number of valid reasons."

Source: http://dalgazette.com/featured/questions-in-dentistry-scandal-go-unanswered-amid-media-onslaught/

[–]way2lazy2care 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Have they actually released what the complaints were? The complaints might have just not had the substance for any meaningful action (eg. no evidence/he-said-she-said/not something actionable).

In my experience schools generally don't like to get involved in student conflicts unless they absolutely have to. If you think about how many students get in fights with each other at bars or something stupid like that, that's a much more imminent threat between students, and schools rarely get involved in stuff like that.

[–]pinkpamplemousse 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have they actually released what the complaints were?

See above response.

[–]WhiteBright 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They got it right....in the end.

[–]psshenry 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (30子コメント)

Looks like a good course of action. Hopefully this third party investigation gets a confession/full story from the main parties involved

[–]varslashwww 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (25子コメント)

You're assuming theres a confession to be had.

[–]psshenry 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (24子コメント)

That's why I mentioned full story...pretty much everything that is posted and spoken about is from screenshots of their now deleted Fbook group

Just would be nice to finally see all the details and what the end result will be.

Hopefully the investigation doesn't take forever but I probably should stay my tongue from commenting on anything involving this, so god damn controversial

[–]varslashwww 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (23子コメント)

Here's the scary thing. the screenshots were cherrypicked. Not only could those be the only things they ever said wrong (or there could be more), we can't judge their character based on out of context private messages.

Hell, it could be a photoshop for all we know. There's just not enough information, ESPECIALLY considering the number of people demanding their foreskins on a platter.

[–]RangerNSHalifax 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

ISTM the 3rd party investigation is into the Faculty of Dentistry as a whole, and not just this particular FB group, class, etc. Recall that there were other questionable classroom content done by instructors, apparently either quietly dealt with, or ignored.

[–]psshenry -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right... 'Dr. so and so was acting very gentleman-like' or something along those lines.

Now we wait and twiddle our thumbs

[–]420thugs 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Apparently only 2, maybe 3 of the 13 students actively participated in the Facebook group where the rest are bystanders who simply joined the group because it was relevant (they were in the DDS Class of 2015). I wonder if those 10 other 'non-contributing' individuals will receive equal punishment?

[–]EmperorOfCanada 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is where it could get very interesting regardless if you think these guys are mega dicks or free speech heroes. If it turns out that the rules are too nebulous or infringe upon their civil rights then the university will have potentially taken away their ability to be dentists for effectively(legally not morally) no good reason. This then opens up the university to a lawsuit for lost wages. So we must now assume that students who are halfway through their 3rd year have a very good chance of being dentists. The lifetime earnings of a dentist would easily run into the millions. So the university needs to then multiply that loss by 13.

Then the university would be looking at eating some of that with the rest covered by insurance but then their insurance rates will go up for a long time.

I am always happy to see a dickhead get what is coming to him but this might not be a free ride for the university. No court will take into consideration their being dickheads, it will only look at things like the law, the contract, and civil rights.

What I am saying is that this is very very dangerous ground for them to be treading on. A simple test of how dangerous it is would be to see what the legal ramifications of the university not doing anything would be. Other than much outrage it could actually be zero.

Let's look at this from a slightly different point of view. Let's say that I sell pork to China from Halifax. Let's also have me regularly text some of my misogynist friends misogynist texts that would really offend most women in Halifax if they were made public. Now let's have someone find one of our phones and publish the texts. Should the government step in and ruin my ability to export pork? Should my products be banned from going through the port of Halifax? Should I be denied a business registration? Should the meat inspectors not come to my business any more?

Basically all that would make sense would be that people might contact my customers and encourage a boycott. But for the government to take action against someone who is offensive would be a very very dangerous precedent to set. I can certainly make a long list of people who I strongly disagree with but I would fear for Canada's future if I were somehow able to ban their speech. If they aren't fully intending to cause crimes to occur then it should be lumped into not-a-crime regardless of the level of offence caused.

[–]FrankMagazine[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

[–]FrankMagazine[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Press conference by Doc Florizone coming at 2pm

[–]IcedpyreCanada 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

well said.