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Billboard Cover: Kendrick Lamar on Ferguson, Leaving Iggy Azalea Alone and Why 'We're in the Last Days' (billboard.com)

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[–]beyondoasis 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (71子コメント)

But when we don't have respect for ourselves, how do we expect them to respect us? It starts from within.

Hmmm, guess I missed the part where Eric Garner died because of a lack of self-respect. This whole time I thought it was because a racist cop murdered him for supposedly selling loosies.

[–]wisesonAC 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Look at Kendrick sideways for that . he been drinking that Respectability politics kool aid lol

[–]kar3a 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (29子コメント)

He talks about the protesters not respecting themselves, he isn't talking about Eric Garner in that quote.

[–]cicadasingingskyfall 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (28子コメント)

the protesters are respecting themselves. they've respected the communities they've worked in too.

[–]Tucci_ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (24子コメント)

lol, not Ferguson apparently

[–]tittycloud [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

those were rioters not protesters. If every protester in Ferguson was actually rioting, that town wouldn't even exist anymore.

[–]Tucci_ [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

Same shit. Half those people who started protesting ended up rioting

[–]tittycloud [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

half? really? HALF?

[–]Tucci_ [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

It's hyperbole dude, chill. You're nitpicky af

[–]cicadasingingskyfall 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (19子コメント)

save a few cases of looting over the course of several months, the people of Ferguson were very respectful. The morning after protests, they would help protesters clean up the streets.

[–]lakerswiz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It happened in the Bay area too.

[–]RicochetRuby 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

a few cases

I'm pretty sure looting and burning property didn't just happen a few times.

[–]Tucci_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (16子コメント)

lmao this is joke right?

[–]cicadasingingskyfall 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Ferguson protests: Residents clean up, hope for calm night

[–]mattmanflash -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Did you see the tv coverage the night of the announcement? Lol respectful is the last word I would use, not that being respectful should have been the first thing on their minds at the time

[–]Americunt_Idiot 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The news haven't been exactly unbiased regarding their coverage of the events in Ferguson, mind.

[–]mattmanflash [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

The news isn't fair about anything. I've had to write countless papers about that (and some involving ferguson). But you can't say the news made up imagery of people burning their own community to the ground.

[–]zimboombah 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Let's be honest, he was specifically talking about the Mike Brown situation. And in that context his remarks are 100% valid.

[–]beyondoasis 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

They absolutely are not, but I'm sure you'll espouse some bs about Brown being a "thug" who had it coming. Nothing about the Brown case is cut and dry at all, especially when you had exposed racists on the grand jury and the attorney general of MO himself saying that the proceedings following Brown's killing were not done in good faith.

[–]zimboombah 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Mike Brown should not have died that day but what happened started due to his lack of good sense. Not thugishness or blackness or whatever words you're trying to put in my mouth.

He stole property, pushed around the shop owner, his friend who wanted nothing to do with stealing would have been implicated, he reached into an officer's vehicle in a way that could be perceived as assault....we know that much, yes the rest is questionable & depends on who you ask. But that to say he was intent on being a asshole that day.

He made one bad decision after another until it cost him his life. In many ways, that's the definition of lacking self-respect.

[–]Kaiyoll [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

That video they showed is a fake and is actually from 2013 I believe. The owner of the shop released the surveillance tape that shows him paying and leaving. He also released a statement the day after the murder, and said Mike Brown paid for what he took. Conveniently, no mainstream media ever aired that video. Also Darren Wilson's chief (head guy, man he reports to, higher up, whatever i don't know police terms) released a statement that said Darren Wilson would have had no knowledge of any robbery because the incidents happened about 3 minutes apart from each other. Once Darren Wilson disappeared, and came back, they gave the new story that he was responding to a robbery. Also the robbery that DID happen that day, while in Ferguson, was on the other side of the town, and Mike Brown couldn't have made it that far in the time between the robbery and his murder. Just wanted to clear stuff up, feel free to ask any questions if I was unclear.

[–]zimboombah [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Fair enough. What little facts there were got scrambled and repackaged so many times, I lost track. I was so certain that Johnson told the grand jury that Brown stole the cigars though.

[–]tittycloud [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

he's talking about Mike Brown and he's talking about every black man killed by another black man too.

[–]JayPreme [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I'm pretty sure his point was the black-on-black violence is a more pressing issue than the much more rare (but still alarming) instances of white-on-black crime. I don't think his response was pertinent to either Mike Brown's or Garner's cases. I just think he was speaking on the issue of white-on-black crime IN GENERAL and the closely related issue of police brutality. I don't disagree with him.

[–]tittycloud [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

You completely missed his point. He's not talking about Eric Garner or Mike Brown not respecting themselves. He's talking about black people not respecting each other. Black men still killing each other for stupid shit. How can we get mad when a cop kills us when we don't care when our next door neigbor kills us? Hell, we'll dance to a song about killing us but then get mad if a cop kills one of us who has already proven themselves to be violent.

That's what Kendrick is talking about and I'm appalled at how many people here completely missed that.

[–]Kaiyoll [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

Well to fair, our next door neighbor doesn't take an oath or get paid to not kill us. I understand what you're saying about respecting each other overall, but I think as far as the police issue goes, black people not killing each other is not the main solution to the problem.

[–]tittycloud [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

no doubt police brutality is a separate issue, but we should try and clean house before we get mad at a white person for doing the same shit to us and get away with it when a black man does the same thing and we don't fight half as hard for justice. Same deal with Iggy, she's trash as all hell but we still letting rappers like Chief Keef and Nicki Minaj prosper when their music isn't much better.

[–]Kaiyoll [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Fair enough but there's mediocrity problems in all forms of music. I would argue that no one takes artists like Keef seriously (but unfortunately many do) and uses them to simply have fun. same thing with stereotypical "mainstream white people" music. I'm sure they could name plenty of artists with real substance in their music, but when Katy Perry of Meghan Trainor comes on, they're still gonna have their fun, y'know. Regardless, I agree with what you're saying about the black community fixing their problems from within, but I feel like that should only be a small part of the conversation when discussing race relations in relevance to police brutality.

[–]tittycloud [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Kendrick wasn't talking about police brutality, he was talking about the plight of the black man, and while that might include police brutality and race relations, it also includes the issues within the black community. That's what everyone in this post seems to completely miss about his "self-respect" comments. That comment as nothing to do with Darren Wilson, Daniel Pantaleo, or Peter Liang.

[–]YUHATELIBERTY [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

He's talking bigger picture. For better or worse, the black community in America is associated with more violence than any other in this country. Cops that are otherwise decent people might be more tense and prone to premature use of force when they're in an area known for violence. If the community can make an honest effort, and succeed, in cleaning up their own streets, tensions would be lower, and some healing between the black community and the police can really start move forward.