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[–]Baghdadification -6 ポイント-5 ポイント  (27子コメント)

Way to go by escalating a situation. I'm sure this will bring peace and understanding to us all.

[–]warkin[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (26子コメント)

Supplication and bending over may get you peace, of some kind, if that's what you're interested in.

[–]Baghdadification -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (24子コメント)

You're acting like all Muslims are puffing to blow over your house.

This image is not only offensive to the extremists, it's offensive to all Muslims.

[–]nozonozon 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't want to be offended? Get off the fucking internet, no one invited you.

[–]funkalunatic 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (8子コメント)

it's offensive to all Muslims.

Really? All Muslims? Every single one of them?

And why the fuck should I care about offending somebody when people are getting shot over this shit? Normalization of speech and dilution of the threat is the only peaceful way to combat the violence of the radicals, unless you think that religious suppression and imperialism is a better idea.

[–]Baghdadification -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Why oh why are you throwing these words around. What you're lacking is simple: taste and respect.

If your wife tells you she doesn't like you fucking her up the ass, are you going to throw a tantrum? Call her an emancipated bitch?

Muslims find this material offensive.

You can convince yourself of your rebel cause and how you are really improving the world, but no one is buying this shit but yourself. You want to help? Start a fund for the victims' families. Are you too poor? Write them a fucking letter expressing your sorrow and offering your condolences.

Posting pics that upset the majority of Muslims only makes things worse. I personally don't care about the pic, I care about the disrespect behind it.

[–]funkalunatic 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Posting pics that upset the majority of Muslims only makes things worse.

How so? How will it make it worse? What's going to happen? And if what you think will happen really happens, what does that say about the peacefulness of Islam? Fortunately, the vast majority of Muslims in my country are not as mindlessly violent as you seem to presume they are.

What you're lacking is simple: taste and respect. ... I personally don't care about the pic, I care about the disrespect behind it.

You say this as if respect were more important than the lives of the people lost, than the chilling effect this has on political speech, as if anybody reading this would care about disrespecting you in this way. If you want respect, you have to earn it.

Write them a fucking letter expressing your sorrow and offering your condolences.

To whom it may concern,

Please accept my heartfelt condolences regarding your son or daughter's death. Even though they shouldn't have been making those evil cartoons (It's disrespectful, you know!), their deaths are a tragedy nonetheless. Hopefully now that they're dead, we can all move on with our lives and learn a valuable lesson about respecting other people's beliefs here - at least, non-Muslims respecting Muslim's beliefs, because let's face it, we need to respect that it's against Islam for Muslims to respect the beliefs of non-Muslims. Literally all Muslims believe this, according to some random Internet guy.

PBUH or whatever,

funkalunatic

Muslims find this material offensive.

No, you find it offensive. And I find you offensive. Stop existing please. To respect my offense.

[–]Baghdadification -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Fortunately, the vast majority of Muslims in my country are not as mindlessly violent as you seem to presume they are.

Being upset and being violent are two separate things.

If you want respect, you have to earn it.

What is this, a mob flick? So you don't respect anyone unless they deem themselves worthy? Good luck with that.

What you don't seem to grasp is that basically putting up this image as a big fuck you to all others who had nothing to do with that not only doesn't solve your problem, but costs you the respect of others... you know, for being a fool. Judging by the way you argue, that is something that has happened often enough. Peace.

[–]funkalunatic 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So you don't respect anyone unless they deem themselves worthy?

I'll respect their rights, but not their beliefs.

What you don't seem to grasp is that basically putting up this image as a big fuck you to all others who had nothing to do with that...

As far as I'm concerned, that's not its purpose.

. ..not only doesn't solve your problem, but costs you the respect of others...

Respect is what you are seeking, not me.

[–]ddsilver -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Tagged another one. This is like hunting... you apologists are going to be held accountable.

[–]Baghdadification 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Such a rebel you are.

[–]ddsilver 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe I'm edgy, but, I'm not going on an apology tour of Reddit for a bunch of hateful shitheads.

[–]warkin[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What you're lacking is simple: taste and respect.

On a day when 12 people are dead for making comics, you are fretting over "taste and respect". Your attitude would be surreal if it wasn't so common.

[–]warkin[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

You're acting like all Muslims are

This is very insidious and dishonest of you, pretending that a response is justifiable only if a problem is visible amongst all members of a group. "Not all Muslims are blowing people up, so lets go back to bed."

If you were saying that we shouldn't scapegoat Muslims and blame them for the inevitable incompatibility of clashing cultures, I'd agree with you.

[–]gayformuhammed 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Good. Suppressing freedom of speech is offensive to me.

@+<  <------ muhammed

[–]huck_ -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

two wrongs dont make a right

[–]gayformuhammed 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

At what point is a "wrong" a wrong. If you believe in freedom if speech, then at some point you have to fight for it and say, yes, in this country, this speech is allowed, and murder isn't and therefore I support the publishing of this speech, even if it offends people to the point of making them murder people.

Or, you decide that this speech is so offensive something must be done. Preferably in a civilized society you use the system and get it banned or outlawed within the laws of the people if that society, in this case France or reddit.

But the terrorists are above the law. They have a moral, spiritual complaint and to them murder is the right and just response, lobbying for laws or in this case asking reddit to close the sub is wrong. Murder is correct. And if they are right, than Muhammed is happy for them and we all deserve to die.

And that is FUCKING CRAZY. So crazy that the entire fucking concept if religion is in question to me. How can a moderate Muslim make sense if the extremists don't make sense? Or even a moderate christian. Maybe god is real and he's happy for the terrorists and maybe he's real and saddened by it and maybe he's real and indifferent? How the fuck should I know? I can't possibly guess? Who to believe? Those so convinced they'll kill? They certainly make a strong case. Those who look more like me? No one knows.

So if no one really fucking knows what god thinks, then no one really knows whether we should be killing people over this, complaining to the Adkins, or laughing over it. So a little offense over this image is as valid and as invalid as killing people over it. That is to say, holy outrage and not earthly/civicly defined. And thus its all the same, and cannot be trusted.

So a peaceful Muslims offense to this is just as meaningful as a radical Muslim's act of terrorism as they are both based on some understanding of how offended god wants us to be. Maybe the moderate Muslims are right about god and then their response must be correct. And maybe the radical ones are right, and then their response is correct. If I accept a moderate offense I have to be willing to accept the radical one, as that could be what god really wants. And that means I have to agree killing people may be the right way to handle this.

So if showing these images is a "wrong" then, depending on which god is real, killing people may be a "right".

And that's fuckig crazy.

So I say fuck that. This image is legal and therefore I support showing it and moral offense isn't even part of the issue.

If god wants to come down and clear some things up, we can make our laws match his rules. But as long as one interpretation is as valid as any other, and some of those are as crazy as terrorism, then they all must be discarded.

[–]huck_ -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

you sound like a nutjob

[–]nozonozon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No he actually doesn't. Not to me at least. Most sanity I've seen today.

[–]velvetshark 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

two wrongs dont make a right

It's not wrong, though.

[–]cresur 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So because not all Muslims are extremists the entire world should not draw a stick figure with the word "Mohammed" next to it, ever?

[–]velvetshark 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Who are you to decide what's offensive to all Muslims? As you can see, many Muslims do depict pictures of the Prophet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depictions_of_Muhammad

This taboo against it is recent and no one can exactly decide what authority decreed it to be so. Can you explain why it was done, and is not any longer, or how you can pretend to speak for all Muslims?

[–]autowikibot 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Depictions of Muhammad:

The permissibility of depictions of Muhammad, the founder of Islam, has long been a concern in the religion's history. Oral and written descriptions are readily accepted by all traditions of Islam, but there is disagreement about visual depictions. The Quran does not explicitly forbid images of Muhammad, but there are a few hadith (supplemental teachings) which have explicitly prohibited Muslims from creating visual depictions of figures. [citation needed]

Most Sunni Muslims believe that visual depictions of all the prophets of Islam should be prohibited and are particularly averse to visual representations of Muhammad. The key concern is that the use of images can encourage idolatry. In Shia Islam, however, images of Muhammad are quite common nowadays, even though Shia scholars historically were against such depictions. Still, many Muslims who take a stricter view of the supplemental traditions will sometimes challenge any depiction of Muhammad, including those created and published by non-Muslims.

The question of whether images in Islamic art, including those depicting Muhammad, can be considered as religious art remains a matter of contention among scholars. They appear in illustrated books that are normally works of history or poetry, including those with religious subjects; the Qu'ran is never illustrated: "context and intent are essential to understanding Islamic pictorial art. The Muslim artists creating images of Muhammad, and the public who beheld them, understood that the images were not objects of worship. Nor were the objects so decorated used as part of religious worship". However, scholars concede that such images have "a spiritual element", and were also sometimes used in informal religious devotions celebrating the day of the Mi'raj. Many visual depictions only show Muhammad with his face veiled, or symbolically represent him as a flame; other images, notably from before about 1500, show his face. However, with the notable exception of modern-day Iran, depictions of Muhammad were rare, never numerous in any community or era throughout Islamic history, and appeared almost exclusively in the private medium of Persian and other miniature book illustration. The key medium of public religious art in Islam was and is calligraphy.

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[–]typicalredditer -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck off asshole