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California begins issuing driver’s licenses regardless of immigration status (washingtonpost.com)

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[–]TheSynthetic 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Whats to stop an older looking teenager from going to the DMV and claiming they are 21?

Damn, wish this was possible in highschool

[–]aswersg 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My state also allows these. they can not be used as an id

[–]Tommygunhanks 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Uno cerveza, por favor.

[–]socialismisbad 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Welcome to Mexifornia! Press 2 for English!

[–]Kush_back -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (9子コメント)

A birth certificate/passport/ID card from their home country and/or consulate here in the U.S. And if you are here as a teenager undocumented, you have proof of who you are by school ID/school records/vaccination records.

[–]sweepminja 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yes, because we all know it's so hard to forge documents from other countries and this never happens anyway. /s

[–]Kush_back 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Which is why I said their county's consulate here in the US. Not old documents that people brought here. Also it needs to be translate to English, which is what the consulate does.

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    [–]highspeed_lowdrag2 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    They use fake and stolen ones....

    [–]Elephant_on_Stilts 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Whats to stop them from using fake or stolen licenses? Why fake all the documentation when you can just fake the license?

    [–]highspeed_lowdrag2 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They use the other fake ones to get jobs and benefits.

    [–]legal277513 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    For someone who had to wait legally for 13 years to get a green card - all the while paying taxes & social security - screw these politicians. These stupid guys won't lift a finger for the tax paying immigrants already in the queue.

    [–]CaptainSnotRocket 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (37子コメント)

    So can I go to California, claim I an immigrant with no proof of birth, birth place, birth parents ect, and get a state sponsored ID? and then take that ID and open bank accounts, take out loans, get credit cards?? Because if I can.... Fuck it i'm goin to Cali.

    [–]RobbieL241 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    CT is doing the same thing with its undocumented folks and their drivers' licenses are supposed to be marked "not for identification" i.e. their licenses are for driving only and can't be used as proof of age to buy alcohol, cigs, lotto, etc.

    [–]lunartree 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    And as a California resident I feel safer knowing this option exists. We've waited too long for the fed to come up with a solution, and honestly the immigrants aren't going to leave. Let's register them so they can be documented and at least have to follow the same rules as everyone else.

    [–]shepards_hamster [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

    They'd leave if we actually enforce laws and made life her untenable for them.

    [–]OrganicRedditor 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Maryland did this for years.

    [–]Fred_Kwan 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    You need a social security number, or an equivalent, to get a loan, credit card, or bank account.

    [–]CaptainSnotRocket 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    You don't need a SS Number to get a loan. Quite a few lending institutions will accept an ITIN in lieu of an SSN. All you need to get an ITIN (Individual TaxPayer Identification Number) is a valid drivers license and address.

    http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/Individual-Taxpayer-Identification-Number-(ITIN)

    [–]RobbieL241 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You also need one to (lawfully) get a job or have a working-class visa.

    [–]Shaoer 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    California DMV: "I see you are applying for the immigration status-blind Drivers License."

    You: "Yes"

    California DMV: "Your name please?"

    You: "Captain SnotRocket"

    California DMV: ".... fuck ..."

    [–]CaptainSnotRocket 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Captain SnotRocket is my full birth name sir. But my friends just call me Snotty.

    [–]Telazu 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So if you have a strange name you shouldn't get a license? So if someone's real name as Harry Dick, would they not be able to get a license?

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      [–]Kush_back -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (13子コメント)

      What bullshit are you saying? First of all, a new ID wouldn't get you a new social security (so no credit), also wouldn't give new fingerprints (if you think criminals are gonna get a second Identity). Also to get an ID in California, like say Washington state (who already gives license regardless of status)..you would need a birth certificate/passport/ or ID card from your home country. Which you would need to get from you consulate here in the US.

      [–]CaptainSnotRocket 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      You don't need a SS Number to get a loan. Quite a few lending institutions will accept an ITIN in lieu of an SSN. All you need to get an ITIN (Individual TaxPayer Identification Number) is a valid drivers license and address.

      Even if they print you......

      Go to Cali. Hit up 10 DMV's all in 1 day, and get 10 different drivers licenses with 10 different names on them and 10 different addresses on them. Then go home and file 10 different ITIN applications with the IRS. Get your 10 ITIN's and then start applying for credit cards, payday loans, and whatever else you can get your hands on.

      [–]klisejo 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Go to Cali. Hit up 10 DMV's all in 1 day

      HA. Take you all day to get through 1.

      [–]shittylyricist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      applying for credit cards, payday loans, and whatever else you can get your hands on.

      You need a social security number for that. An ITIN will not do. Try applying for anything with an ITIN - you will get a call asking for your social security number. Even the IRS form W-9 has separate locations for the ITIN and social security.

      [–]Kush_back -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      ITN don't get you loans. And how are you gonna come up with birth certificates given by the consulate? Please explain. Edit: given a bank account is different than having credit. Much like a debit card is different than having a credit card.

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          [–]duyogurt 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          No, you can't do a lot of that without a social security number and in most cases more than 1 form of ID.

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            [–]meanuglyemu 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (6子コメント)

            I am curious to see what happens to hit-and-run rates in Cali now.

            [–]animalitty 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            Is it bad to begin with?

            [–]meanuglyemu 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            LA has a 50% hit-and-run rate compared to a national 11% The article also says unlicensed drivers are five times more likely to kill, they will flee the scene over 50 percent of the time, five times more likely to drive drunk

            [–]JoleneAL 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            And licensed illegals will now wait on the scene? SMH

            [–]snackbarclosed[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Every time I watch A Christmas Story I think about this. http://news.moviefone.com/2007/04/04/bob-clark-director-of-porkys-and-a-christmas-story-killed/

            [–]LatchoDrom42 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            It'll be interesting to see how the statistics play out. That's a far better idea that what others are saying here.

            [–]legal277513 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            My friend's car was involved in an accident in San Jose, CA few years back. His car was backended and totalled by a van. There were a bunch of hispanics in there. These guys started calling people on the cell phone and within minues another van arrived. The new van's driver let all the guys from the original van leave in his van. When the police arrived claimed he was the driver who caused the accident. They exchanged the insurance info, which my friend later realized was invalid.

            My friend was stupid enough not to take "uninsured motorist" coverage, so he lost about 10K on his car.

            [–]Searingcow 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (8子コメント)

            As someone from cali I can say this was a minor stupid mistake.

            Many of the illegal aliens in California are hard workers but I honestly that doesn't change anything. THEY ARE STILL ILLEGAL, Not citizens, and wont be unless they go through the necessary process. It isnt as bad as people say though, by the second generation they are fluent in english.

            The problem with this type of law is that it "encourages" more people to come over and not become assimilated with the population (Big example is some muslims in Europe) because the laws make it easier. IE; Spanish announcements & papers, and drivers licenses.

            If you think this is bad, just remember they actually wanted to pass a law that let illegal aliens vote in elections, but brown said that would never happen.

            [–]Firewind 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Grew up in Santa Maria, by the second generation they're gang bangers and drug dealers but yeah fluent in english for the the most part.

            [–]dustfeather 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            but yeah fluent in english for the the most part.

            Well, they have to communicate with their customers who buy their drugs

            [–]corsairio 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Implying there is anything in California to assimilate into. LA is a Hispanic city.

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              [–]Leisurely_Hologram 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              My license is revoked in another state. Could I get one in Cali? If not, WTF?

              [–]DwarvenRedshirt 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Sure, just enter the state through Mexico.

              [–]GIDDY_UP_GO 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (13子コメント)

              When did the media start calling them undocumented immigrants instead of what they really are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS? This is wrong on so many levels!

              [–]DwarvenRedshirt 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Most switched to just calling them Immigrants to make them sound legal.

              [–]dustfeather 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

              I think the legally correct term would "criminals", because that is exactly what they are.

              [–]arjun10 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Why are you so keen on criminalizing people who are here to work, and desperate to flee the economic conditions of their own country?

              [–]dustfeather 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              I am not criminalizing anyone, the justice department does.

              Illegal immigration is serious crime and most of all it is disgusting unfair and disrespectful who actually endure the long process of a legal immigration.

              Currently it is much easer to become a US citizen by illegal means than by trying to go down the legal path.

              Poverty or a bad economy are not excuses for breaking the immigration laws of a sovereign country. Every country has the right to decide which people they want to enter their borders and no individual should be above those restrictions.

              [–]Meeloptu 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Migrant workers are key to agricultural production. Without those undocumented workers, the crops would be rotting in the field.

              The US economy needs illegal immigration, until we fix the situation to provide millions of temporary visas for farm workers.

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                [–]AnhydrousEtOH 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                Just one step closer to granting them all amnesty for violating the law and creating new Democrat voters.

                [–]socialismisbad 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                Yep. All this bending over and screwing american citizens is simply to allow the Democrats absolute power with 3,000,000+ new voters.

                [–]Meeloptu 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Perhaps the a Republican Party needs to wake the fuck up about the changing demographics of America and adjust their ludicrous platform.

                [–]Hamouflage 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                ITT: Spoiled suburban teenagers, with the foreign policy experience of drunken spring break trips to Cancun and Puerto Vallarata, solve the immigration issue between the richest country in the world and a third world country full of poverty and sufferring they can't and won't ever have to comprehend or acknowledge. Witty comebacks and idiotic comparisons ('omg the US treats illegals better than citizens!!' then why not renounce your citizenship and become illegal?) to follow.

                [–]Pure_Politics 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (20子コメント)

                If only this was a trap to deport them. That would be a wonderful plot.

                [–]painperdu 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                I don't understand where elites in government have the authority to enforce only the laws they desire to enforce.

                [–]Pure_Politics 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                They do not have such a power, yet act so illegally.

                [–]zackiedude 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Do you mean why doesn't California deport people? They don't have the jurisdiction. Arizona tried to do some things and courts found only the federal government has that authority.

                [–]Speedly 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                And fails to do the job they are charged with per the Constitution.

                I don't get to pick and choose whether or not I feel like doing the job I'm assigned - why do they?

                [–]_Leg0 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                These illgals are tomorrows democrat voters.

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                  [–]Tectract 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  Why don't they just arrest those "undocumented" illegal aliens when they show up at the DMV? Illegal immigration is still a crime, right?

                  [–]corsairio -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  No, colonist, you are the illegal one here.

                  [–]DwarvenRedshirt 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Technically, most of the Mexicans were colonists as well.

                  [–]corsairio [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

                  Do you think truth matters? This is about power, and right now, white people won't stand up for themselves.

                  [–]Keep-reefer-illegal 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Because "compassion"

                  [–]plyslz 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (76子コメント)

                  "“No longer are undocumented people in the shadows,” he said. “They are alive and well and respected in the state of California.”

                  This is absolute insanity - they're criminals, and should be treated as such.

                  [–]AnhydrousEtOH 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  If they aren't in the shadows, then maybe we should enforce the law and deport them...

                  [–]DisregardMyPants 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                  This is absolute insanity - they're criminals, and should be treated as such.

                  Californian here: Let me explain how this works.

                  Before this, they still drove. If they got in an accident, they would just run, leaving you with your own fucked car, their fucked car, and no registration or insurance for their car.

                  [–]slyld 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                  Before this, they still drove. If they got in an accident, they would just run, leaving you with your own fucked car, their fucked car, and no registration or insurance for their car.

                  And what's to stop them from continuing to do this? Oh, right, nothing.

                  [–]DisregardMyPants 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  Before they couldnt register a car and couldnt get insurance. They weren't trying to be malicious.

                  In a lot of cases their car is the most expensive thing they own, and is required for them to have a job. California is very, very tow happy on expired registration.

                  This will do nothing but improve the situation.

                  [–]DwarvenRedshirt 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  The difference now is that they can't afford the insurance, so they still won't buy it...

                  [–]DisregardMyPants -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Not as expensive as getting towed(which WILL happen for expired tags) and losing your job. Seriously, you've made it quite clear you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. You should just stop now.

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                      [–]Krenolds -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      Don't bother trying to explain. This thread is full of non-Californians unable to understand how this is a good thing because brown people suck.

                      [–]Cursethewind 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      They may not understand the benefits of giving licenses to illegal immigrants and may be against illegal immigration entirely, but that doesn't make them racist.

                      Claiming racism over every fucking thing makes it so much easier to dismiss actual racism.

                      [–]go1dfish [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

                      Californian here.

                      Explain to me why I should pay for the licensing of people who aren't allowed to be here in the first place.

                      I support open borders, but not open borders + taxation.

                      [–]StarbucksLovers [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

                      I'm ashamed of this fucking state. Why even have a fucking border fence?

                      [–]Fred_Kwan -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                      Yeah, much better that they drive around with no licenses or insurance, that's the sane way.

                      [–]plyslz 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                      Possessing and “driving around with a license” is irrelevant - if they had tied getting the license to having insurance - they would have had something - but they didn't.

                      [–]gcm6664 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                      Looks like most in this thread would support finally removing this plaque from the Statue of Liberty:

                      "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

                      [–]fourredfruitstea 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                      It's a fucking poem, not the first amendment to the united states constitution like some people are treating it like.

                      [–]ChronaMewX -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Don't think they want it removed, just add "Unless you're Mexican" as a subscript

                      [–]gcm6664 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                      This is absolute insanity - they're criminals, and should be treated as such.

                      In fact they are actually human beings. And not that it matters to me, but I am sure it does to you, many are productive members of society. California has some of the most productive farmland in the world and supplies produce to a large portion of the country. These "criminals" are largely responsible for the harvest of that crop.

                      Of course they hold many many other productive jobs that contribute to society. Despite what Foxnews tells you.

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                        [–]plyslz 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        The driver’s license is just one more thing! We already provide health care, education and access to all of our social services already - why shouldn't they have a driver’s license?

                        But here's the real question - where does all of the money come from to support these costs? Who will continue to pay the bill as more and more people come across to get their license and services?

                        How many more people can we allow to come into our country for us to support?

                        [–]Keep-reefer-illegal 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        This! The problem isn't just that they are inherently criminals just by being here, it is that we can't afford this!

                        People say "the government should provide XYZ" but the government is made up of people who have to pay taxes.

                        [–]Meeloptu 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        As a taxpayer, I will pay. I'd rather my tax dollars go to social service for all residents than go to defense contractors.

                        [–]TheKokomo 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                        Be Me Be white male from Canada Decide to immigrate to the United States Jump thru hoops and bounds to finally become citizen years down the road

                        Be me Be brown man from Mexico Come on down you're the next contestant on who wants to be given free citizenry in America.

                        [–]arjun10 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        You're missing the parts where the conditions in Canada and the conditions in Mexico are vastly different, and that folks from Mexico typically come here to work pretty low-end jobs where exploitation is endemic.

                        You're also missing the part where this whole thing isn't about citizenship, but a drivers license.

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                          [–]ThisisNOTAbugslife 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Ill take 6 Licenses please! One for each of my aliases :)

                          [–]djm19 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          You have a birth record from the consulate for all those aliases?

                          [–]freetraderme 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (22子コメント)

                          We should just give California to mexico.

                          [–]HitlersFleshlight 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                          We should just take mexico and exterminate the cartels. Southern border of mexico is much smaller and easier to guard.

                          [–]AngryMulcair 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Hahaha!

                          And you thought the Iraq war dragged on forever.

                          [–]DwarvenRedshirt 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          We're too busy arming the cartels.

                          [–]Kush_back 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          Except the cartels are best friends with the DEA

                          [–]Meeloptu 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          And the CIA

                          [–]ResidentDirtbag [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

                          Yeah, that's what Mexico needs, US military intervention.

                          What could POSSIBLY go wrong?

                          [–]HitlersFleshlight [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

                          Their government is incapable of doing anything about the cartels. Do you have any other suggestions besides the US military?

                          [–]sanguinekane 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Just the Southern half. We gotta keep the good half.

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                            [–]RacksDiciprine 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                            Regardless of immigration status identification/DL is important for EVERYONE in the US.

                            [–]tallyrand 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Licensed and INSURED!

                            [–]SooInappropriate 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Except that doesn't (and won't) happen.

                            This is how illegals do it. They buy cheap cars on Craigslist for cash that have recently paid registrations. They never title the car in their name. They never obtain insurance. They then sell it at the end of the cycle before the tags are due (usually for about the same as they bought it) and the cycle repeats. I deal with this every day. I assure you that ZERO illegals will obtain insurance when they don't have to.

                            [–]Achievement_Hitler 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                            Yeah but it should be done to legal residents. Not illegal immigrants.

                            [–]HelloThatGuy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I think it is a good idea. No matter what happens with the illegal population, whether it be, grant legal residence, deport, or continue the status quo. The US should have them catalogued somewhere.

                            [–]Scroon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Hey what if this is just a giant sting operation? All the illegals get licenses and by this time next year the government has a database of all the illegals in the state.

                            [–]Meeloptu 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I've wondered that myself

                            [–]0OKM9IJN8UHB7 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            This seems really stupid unless the state is giving them liability insurance while they're at it.

                            [–]urbanail1 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I hope they do this for a few years, than use the addresses on the dl to round up the illegals and send them home..

                            [–]zstandig 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            So they gave up?

                            [–]socialismisbad 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Can we just cede Mexifornia yet?

                            [–]sojo_truth 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            First glance, this seems like a good thing. Do liberals ever think things ALL THE WAY through?

                            [–]corsairio 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            No, they think it's a logical fallacy to think things through. They call it the slippery slope or something. Fucking retards. Since when are logical implications illogical?

                            [–]Baron_von_Horsecock 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            The effects of what California is doing will really be noticed after 2020, after the next census, followed by Congressional reapportionment. California will pick up 3 or 4 electoral votes for the 2024 election.

                            [–]general_nuisance 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                            Is there any other country in the world that treats illegal immigrants better than its citizens?

                            [–]sentinelsx2 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Canada. Up to $5000 monthly grant and decades long "immigration qualification process".

                            [–]tinshmeco 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Most western European countries. Illegal immigrant? Here's a free house and welfare.

                            [–]Hamouflage 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Youre free to renounce your citizenship and come back as an illegal if you like :]

                            [–]foxh8er 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Zero countries do, including ours.

                            [–]shittylyricist -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            None.

                            In case you're thinking the US does, consider this:

                            Illegal immigrants pay into medicare and social security, but have no rights to receive any of their benefits. How is that treating someone better than a citizen?

                            If I were to put my conspiracy hat on, I would say that this is the first step to requiring all citizens to carry their passports around with them, since CA is in the 100-mile border area and a DL will now not fit the bill.

                            [–]lianabear 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Just FYI, while undocumented immigrants may not receive social security benefits, the majority DO receive some form of government aid -- generally because they qualify as low-income parents of American citizens.

                            I was just reading about this in a less partisan website, but now I can't find it. This site seems to skew conservative, but it cites some of the same studies and stats (based in part on census data and surveys associated with census taking, I believe):

                            http://cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011

                            [–]greetingstoyou 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                            Open immigration in CA. World, please invade us.

                            [–]shittylyricist 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Makes a nice change from Ellis Island.

                            [–]greetingstoyou 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            America, as a collective consciousness, is currently on this "tolerance" kick that involves harassing and abusing people who imply anything other than complete unconditional support for any person - ironic.

                            This is starting to bleed over into our approach to our own country's sovereignty. Any attempt to regulate who comes into our country and who can become a citizen it seen as savage, barbaric, etc. You can now apply and become a US citizen if you like, in almost any case. However we cannot simply have an open country which is essentially what the United States is now. If you fly over here, you can simply disappear into the fold and enjoy many of our fruits - without paying taxes.

                            Our infrastructure as a country is supported through both physical elements (roads, police, gov employees, etc.) and monetary (taxes). Inclusion of more people than we can handle at one time will stress these infrastructures and make living here more difficult.

                            Think of a time you had a party where you and a group of friends went in to buy some supplies and alcohol. All of the sudden, people who didn't pay or you don't even know come to the party and start to drink all of your alcohol and cause a few fights. Well, you don't know them, so you can't demand any money and if you try to get them to leave they might try to hurt you, in your own house. You don't hate these people, but you simply can afford to include them.

                            [–]RADARrevolt 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            They already are...

                            [–]corsairio 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Have you been to California or New York? This already happened. Those two states are not American.

                            [–]greetingstoyou [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

                            I have been to both many times and I have noticed that they aren't unamerican. They are overcrowded and run with an iron bureaucratic fist. With increased police enforcement and a revenue-based application of traffic and other civic laws (jay walking, purposely confusing parking codes, speed cameras, miles of personal construction regulations, thousands of government employees who's sole purpose is to collect fees). These are most likely necessary to combat the increasing non tax-paying population in those areas against a stagnant tax-paying population.

                            [–]foxh8er 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Turn back now if you don't want to see comments from Yahoo News.

                            [–]x0diak 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            This here is fucking ridiculous. I will now get a new DL everytime i travel to that whack-a-doodle state. With obscene names of course.

                            [–]mylifeisbro1 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

                            Unless you have proof of residency good luck, ever try to get a licence without proof of it?

                            [–]cablelayer1 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Because driving is a Right...Not a Privilege..........................

                            [–]CherckNerris 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            California, stop being pants-on-head retarded. They are ANCHOR BABIES and ILLEGALS. Get them out ASAP

                            [–]ianandomylous 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (19子コメント)

                            Seems like a retarded idea. Hit and runs will go up significantly, as would drunk driving and reckless driving.

                            [–]poorking 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            But they're already driving.

                            [–]H37man 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                            If they have a legal license why would they flee the scene?

                            [–]highspeed_lowdrag2 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            No insurance

                            [–]H37man 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            And so do many Americans who don't have insurance. Immigrants are not the only people who lack insurance.

                            [–]ianandomylous 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                            If they are illegal or have a warrant they will flee. Same reason they always flee. Immigrants and illegals are significantly more likely to flee the scene.

                            [–]JackiePollockBrown 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            Yes they do but why would having a DL increase that?

                            [–]ianandomylous -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            More people who would otherwise not drive

                            [–]JackiePollockBrown 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            There is nothing preventing an illegal alien from driving a car now, if they want to drive they will drive.

                            [–]Krenolds 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            The police in California are not authorized to check legal status.

                            [–]H37man 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                            One of the reasons they flee now is because they do not have nor can they get legal licenses. If they go out of there way to get a license legally it can only be because they want be able to drive with out breaking the law.

                            [–]Cgimarelli 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                            Except they are still breaking the law. Having an id doesn't make them a citizen, they are still illegally residing in the country.

                            [–]H37man 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                            But the police are not going to investigate immigration status based on these IDs. So if they do get into an accident they will not need to flee as long as there ID is valid.

                            [–]highspeed_lowdrag2 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                            They should investigate their status though.

                            [–]djm19 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            Only the federal government can.

                            [–]highspeed_lowdrag2 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            The fuck they can. And the feds aren't investigating anyways so the lcoal and state powers have to.

                            [–]H37man 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            It does not look they are or have too.

                            [–]hedgarcules 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Illegals don't get deported for getting in a car accident. If they have a warrant, maybe. How will hit and runs go up by giving them drivers licenses, they are already driving anyway.

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                              [–]Meeloptu 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Maryland has been issuing drivers licenses to illegal immigrants for quite some time; the sky hasn't fallen.

                              [–]nbalakerfan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Great, Southern California already has a traffic problem.

                              This will solve that problem!

                              [–]ResidentDirtbag [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

                              Illegal immigrants are criminals!

                              -Says the people living on land stolen from Mexicans.

                              [–]Gbcue [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

                              ITT: /r/conservative

                              [–]Nosra420 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              All these immigrants finally getting on the books and paying taxes will be amazing for our country. great news. Cali always seems to be a few steps ahead of the rest of the country.

                              [–]jkeyser14 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              What part of getting a license gives them a social security number to file their taxes under?

                              [–]Nosra420 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              you do realize thats the whole fuckin plan right? like the whole point of all this immigration stuff is to get them to pay taxes this is just one step on the way.

                              [–]Meeloptu 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Maryland and DC are already doing it...

                              [–]ahydell -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              I live in a small Central California farming town and they actually built a separate and HUGE DMV in our town solely for the illegal immigrant traffic. We have SO MANY farm workers in our area. Personally, I'm all for it, it's better to have documentation on these people rather than them being off the grid.

                              [–]arielgw -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Gotta love redditards. People trying to get better future for them and their children: Fucking criminals. People breaking the law just to get high: Poor persecuted innocent people!

                              I just love your hypocrisy.

                              [–]Krenolds 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              People trying to get better future for them and their children

                              That's exactly what our nation is founded on. Anyone willing to work for years in poverty to save up enough money for their third cousin to come to the US through one of the most violent countries on Earth to then spend the next 10 years working in poverty in the US because poverty in the US is still better than poverty in Guatemala or Ecuador seems exactly like the kind of people we should embrace as a nation. It's like Game of Thrones but Game of Citizenry. Only best, brightest, most enterprising and hardworking have what it takes to succeed in the US.

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