| Hi - I'm a 35 year old survivor of testicular cancer, and I use Androgel every day in order to maintain a testosterone balance that's normal for me. It's really difficult for me to get it legally, as it's classified as a controlled substance in New York City. That's because people like you abuse it so readily. When I run out, I can't get more easily. I have to get my doctor to write a prescription and manually deliver it to the pharmacy. If it's a holiday weekend, I have to go without for several days. If I don't put the stuff on daily, I get lethargic, depressed, gain weight, feel like I'm wrapped in a wet blanket. I'm not allowed to have extra at home to pad for emergencies - like when we evacuated before a hurricane. If I'm out of town, it's really difficult to get a pharmacist in a new area to fill the prescription. I'm 6'2", 240, fairly muscular. But not like, gay bartender muscular. Whenever I go in to get a refill, a new pharmacist looks at me and thinks "sure you need this, pal." My insurance company tries to deny me for this. And when my doctor adjusts my dosage, my insurance blocks the sale until the doctor and pharmacist and insurance rep have a conference call about it. So here's my question: are you aware on any level that people like you make life a lot harder for people like me who actually need these drugs? Is this something that you never considered before, or have you thought about this carefully, and decided that your sweet biceps or whatever are more important than my day-to-day health? |
My father is also on TRT, like you, legally. He uses a compound pharmacy with no problems whatsoever, I'd recommend that for your shortage problem, your doc can even fax the Rx. It is the government keeping steroids at that level of illegality, write your congressman. I would also suggest that you watch a documentary called "Bigger, Faster, Stronger", it will clear up your blame game. C'mon guy, do recreational pot-users make it harder for patients to use pot for their glaucoma? Nah, it's just gov't ignorance. |
| Does your dad know that you use the stuff? |
Yes, he does. He doesn't love the idea, but he understands that they are not as dangerous as made out to be and just wants me to be responsible. Why do you ask? |
| One of the steroid users in the film you cite "Bigger, Faster, Stronger" ends up dying young. I'm pretty sure steroids have also been a problem/contributing factor for a lot of pro wrestlers who have used them and died young. |
Dependent? One only becomes dependent on supplemental testosterone if they shut-down their own endocrine system from abuse. My testosterone levels (I get tested quarterly) are what a normal man my age should be at because of responsible use. |
| Eh, keep in mind that chronic steroid abuse can lead to enlargement of the heart. This can and has culminated in infarcs and death. Some of the oral compounds are toxic enough to cause liver failure as well. |
I agree with you, they can lead to an enlarged heart, yet usually, there are other factors at play like an already large heart, steroid/drug abuse, etc which is well enough reason to not use steroids at all. |
| They are the most helpful, kindest, educated people in the building. Good luck and i wish you all the best in becoming what you feel is perfection. Maybe one day ill get to mine! |
Thanks Brother. We're all working towards perfection, different strokes. |
| What is your reasoning for using steroids? Personal Vanity? Fitness Competition? Sports? |
Vanity mostly, I like looking muscular, I like being fit. |
| would you be willing to post before/after photos? |
As I do this for vanity, I have to control myself and not become a narcissist. I hate people that take pictures of themselves bc I think it's super shallow and narcissistic. One of my big rules is not taking pictures of myself even for personal record. I know this seems to discredit me, but I don't really care, just wanted to help inform some fellow redditors. |
| What profession are you in that allows you copious amounts of time to devote to the gym? Also, mind sharing what your degrees are in? |
I'm a 9-5er. I'm a young, single guy with no kids. I have two hours per day to spend in the gym. |
| I like my personality as does my *gf.* I'm a young, *single guy with no kids.* |
Oops, yeah, I just meant not married. Single, like you would see on a w-2. |
| Do you think you would have been able to reach the same goals for your body without the use of steroids? Also can you just give me some general tips? I'm about 5'8" and 165lbs. I currently go to the gym a few days a week. I have been doing various exercises for my chest/back/arms etc. My arms/chest have been getting pretty toned but I just can't get rid of the flab around my belly and sides. I'm not trying to get big at all, I just want to tone down and lose the fat. Should I just minimize the weights and crank up the cardio? What exercises do you recommend and any meal plan ideas? |
A 6-pack is carved with a spoon and a fork, brother. Eat clean, fresh foods, slow carbs, and get at least 1g of protein per # of body weight. 5-6 meals a day. If you want to bulk, eat 300 calories above what your body needs. If you wanna cut, eat -300 cal. |
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If you want to get shredded, but maintain muscle, dont exceed 30 mins a day of cardio and keep it to 3-4 times a week. Bodybuilding.com has some good articles on diet, but don't get too deep in that site, lotta bro science. |
| Nut shrinkage? |
I've never had nut shrinkage. |
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Nut shrinkage comes from your body's response to excess testosterone in the body. Your body recognizes that there's enough in the bloodstream, so it stops production, shrinking your testicles (they come back when your cycle ends, usually 10-12 weeks). |
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However, there's a super safe drug called HCG (women use it for fertility and sometimes dieting) that you can take while on the steroids that keep your nuts producing, so they will stay their regular size. I use HCG on every cycle and I haven't had any noticeable shrinkage ever. |
| Quick question: if I used an AI and HCG would it naturally boost my testosterone levels? |
Yes and no. If your body is already producing at its max, then it wouldn't likely do much, just increase a little. If your body is not producing enough T, it will likely help you a lot. Many times an AI by itself is enough to being you back to a good baseline. |
| Haha, if you took a pregnancy test, you would read positive! |
I tried it once, but accidentally peed on my ipod shuffle. |
| Do you use only hcg or do you add nolvadex also? i'd like to pm you with some questions eventually.. |
I use Arimidex on cycle, nolva in case of gyno, and hcg on cycle and right before PCT of clomid and nolva. |
| Cool, thanks. Ever read the book "Muscle: Confessions of an Unlikely Bodybuilder"? By Sam Fussell...I think you'd like it. |
Heard of it, havent read it. I'll put it on my list. Thanks for the rec. |
| Would I see any repercussions from just using an AI on its own for 8-10 weeks (sans steroid use)? |
Likely not, assuming you didn't exceed 2mg per week. The only risk you run is pushing your estrogen too low and feeling like a non-sexual, depressing sack of shit. |
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What's most likely is that nothing will happen and you'll have wasted your money. If you think your T is low, go to your doctor and say that, he can run a blood test for you. |
| Out of curiosity what is AI? |
>some steroids are converted into estrogen by your nuts. Males need a small amount of estrogen in their bodies for normal function, our bodies don't create estrogen, it just converts it from testosterone. So, when you put large amounts of testosterone into your body, it ultimately converts a large amount into estrogen (too much). This can cause emotional problems, gynecomastia (bitch tits), and other problems. A user will take an AI Aromatase Inhibitor during a cycle to stop conversion into estrogen and maintain normal levels. Some people don't need it, but it's usually a good idea. I use it every time. Arimidex, aromasin, or letrozole are the common choices. |
| Where do you by them? How do most people get them? How fast can you put muscle on using them? |
I'm by them in the bathroom. |
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Illegally, mostly the way you would buy any other illicit substance, know people. |
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It's not really about fast, it's about quality. But, to answer your question, some steroids work as fast as 4 weeks. An agressive steroid cycle can put as much as 20 pounds of muscle on you in 8 weeks, but you risk health doing that. A proper cycle does 10-15 solid punds in 2 months, some of which is water. |
| There was no need for that in your answer to no.1. They clearly just made a spelling mistake. Where do you really buy them? |
Subtext for my facetious reply: I can't tell you. |
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But, most people buy steroids the same way they buy other illicit substances, they 'know someone'. Also, some people get them through international pharmacies. |
| Well it is an AMA not AMAA, but I've found this really interesting so thanks for replying. |
Good point, I will make the change. |
| What are the side effects you are having? Are you using prescription or off-the-street steroids? Do you recommend what you do to everyone? |
The only negative side effects I've ever had was a little oilier skin and a touch of acne. I use acne body wash and facewash, so that takes care of that. When I cycle off the steroids (cycles usually are 8-12 weeks), I feel a little lethargic and tired, but I'm back to normal in a week or two. Side effects are dependent on which steroids you use, dosage, and if you're prone to things like acne, balding etc. If you are responsible and do your research, you can avoid most side effects. |
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Most Steroids are made in underground labs either here or overseas. It's important to have a good source, after all, you're putting this shit in your body. |
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I do not recommend what I do to everyone, especially those under 24 years old. There are ways to responsibly use steroids. It takes years of training, a perfect diet, and intense research before steroids can be effective. It's not an instant muscle drug, you must work for everything you do. |
| Regarding #3: you say you don't recommend it to those under 24... you're 25. How long have you been using it? And why not for anyone under 24? |
I've been using steroids for three years. I jumped the gun a bit. from ages 12-23, your body is chock-full of steroids and you can get steroidal results w/o the drug. Also, if you take steroids when still developing, you risk ruining your endocrine system for life. You would be on 'steroids' until you die, just to feel normal. That's steroid abuse and irresponsible and it's very real. |
| May I, for the sake of health of anyone reading this thread, point out that my bullshit-meter detects an awful lot of broscience? |
As mentioned in other threads, there is very little hard data on steroid use bc it is considered such a dangerous drug and few studies are done. I do my best to keep up with the science and trends behind steroid use and best practices. If you find anything to be inaccurate, please point it out, I'm excited to learn more and happy this can be a two-way street. I am offering what I have learned over the years in research on the web, medical journals, from anti-aging clinics as well as from my doctor and personal experience. |
| Thanks for this IAMA. I think 30 years from now society will look back on steroids and realize how great they can be with proper usage. |
I dont think steroids will ever be accepted. Figuratively speaking, the gov't doesn't want citizens stronger than cops. But I do agree that the danger of steroids is blown enormously out of proportion. |
| I've never used them but I'm open to it. What are the best resources to learn enough to use them responsibly? Feel free to pm if you don't want that info out there. |
There are plenty of good resources out there, just google. You will be reading a lot of forums. protip: don't believe everything you read, lotta bro science out there, try to reference any scientific studies if possible. Do at least 6 hard months of research before committing to anything. Also, I do not advocate the use of steroids. |
| Cops are some of the bigger abusers of steroids out there. |
Yes and Yes. Especially Swat, notorious steroid users. |
| It's kind of interesting the difference in attitudes between hormonal supplementation for women vs. men. |
Steroid use for women is MUCH different, I know very little about it. |
| So...your expertise and understanding of the human endocrine system comes from researching internet forums? Did you make sure to cross reference wikipedia? :) |
Haha, fair enough, even I think that sounds sketcho. Regardless, there is actually very little solid data on steroid use, so most of it is anecdotal and what I've discussed with my doc and other users. The majority has been medical journals and forums. |
| Out of curiosity, what are your degrees in? |
I have a degree in nutrition and my MBA. |
| I was thinking more along the lines of estrogen, HRT, and birth control rather than anabolic usage for women. |
Oh, yeah. It's a totally different world. I'm glad it's happening though. Without much information on anabolic use available, we can take some data from those studies. |
| Are you using aromatase-blockers as well? |
Aromatase Inhibitors are VERY important in some steroid cycles. |
| Do you know why, or was that not covered in your nutrition program? |
Haha, the reason is that some steroids are converted into estrogen by your nuts. Males need a small amount of estrogen in their bodies for normal function, our bodies don't create estrogen, it just converts it from test. So, when you put large amounts of testosterone into your body, it ultimately converts a large amount into estrogen (too much). This can cause emotional problems, gynecomastia (bitch tits), and other problems. A user will take an AI Aromatase Inhibitor during a cycle to stop conversion into estrogen and maintain normal levels. Some people don't need it, but it's usually a good idea. I use it every time. Arimidex, aromasin, or letrozole are the common choices. |
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I appreciate you making me back this one up. I think it's one of the most important pieces of cycle knowledge and it's relatively new to the scene. |
| You gotta know your shit if you're going to be a responsible drug user, whether that be tylenol or something more illicit. Now, go learn the biochemical pathway of steroid metabolism. |
That is something I should study up on. Thanks. |
| Why not just use creatine and protein? They are safer, cheaper (I assume) and more readily accessible. Plus they don't do the damage to your body steroids do. |
I use both. Yes they are very effective. For my goals, it wasn't enough. Steroids can be used safely, doing no long-term damage. It's a complex process, but it can be done with doctor supervision. |
| Don't you feel like you're getting artificial results? That seems hardly worth working towards since it's not real, earned progress. |
Steroids are not 'instant-muscle' drugs. You can take steroids all you want, but without a perfect diet, strict workout regimen, you will see no results. They do amplify my gains, but if you saw how hard I work in the kitchen and the gym to put on the small amount of muscle I do, you would change your mind. |
| Do you think your steroids use is a result of you not being satisfied with your normal results as a weightlifter? Does that line up with OCD or other psychologically distorting issues? |
Yes, I have had image problems since youth and this is directly correlated. However, I'm incredibly healthy according to my doctor and I'm relatively happy with how I look, so I'd like to think I beat the image-issue somewhat. |
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No OCD, ADHD yes. I dont see any correlation, yet. |
| I think that involving steroids would have something to do with your self-image, the people I know that do steroids also report compulsive behaviour such as OCD, hence why I added that bit. How about relationships? Are you ADHD to the point where no one can keep up with you? |
My ADHD isn't too bad. I was prescribed adderall, but I hated how boring I became. I like my personality as does my gf. It's tough to get work done sometimes, but I man-up and deal with it. |
| Could you post some proof please? |
As said before, I wont indict myself. Steroids are a big no no to the gov't, and I would prefer to keep my freedom, I'm sure you get that. It's ok if you don't believe me, I don't have any motive for doing this other than to share my experiences. |
| You said you get minimal side effects. What are the effects you get? |
My side effects have included: Oily skin, mild acne (can be cleared up with acne soap), super boners, sleeplessness, and fatigue. |
| My only question is would you recommend steroids to someone you care about? A close friend or something of that sort. |
Yes, but I would make sure that they are of age, do their research, and know what they're getting into. The risk is large, no matter how you slice it. |
| I feel like this applies to so many drugs but people are just ignorant, even "hard" drugs are fine in moderation, but I'll leave that talk for /r/drugs. |
Yes, it's easiest to believe what you have been fed. |
| Could you point out a few specific resources where one could do some research and learn about responsible use? Most of the things I've seen are rather generic and the standard answer seems to be "Google it". Where could one learn about cycles? Types of steroids? Dosages? |
>So as steroids are schedule 1 and 2 drugs, the gov't doesn't really allow too many studies to be done. That means that there is very little data out there that is backed scientifically (according to all the doctors I have talked to about bro science vs non). Anecdotal experiences and a few studies is really all the knowledge we have on the matter. There are a few articles in medical journals with good info, but it's limited. Steroid.com has some limited info, but I really like steroidology.com for it's higher quality of information and strong advocacy against ill-founded broscience. I have found that their forums have some very expert users that have seen it all. Before you go digging through forums, find steroid profiles and read up on their history, google should be fine for that or you can use steroid.com or mesorx.com. Once you get to the forums in your research, look at cycle logs and read up on best practices in the stickies area. |
| What do you think about this article? Http://www.lift-run-bang.com/2012/03/darksidinobsessionspart-3-big-empty.html. |
There are some good messages here. "you never enjoy it when you're in it, because you don't see yourself for how you really are." Very true. Yes, any body modification is a slippery slope, one just must have self-control and self-respect to do it properly. That's the difference between a fit, toned girl (or guy r/mensrights) and an anorexic. |
| How does one even acquire steroids if they dont have any connections what so ever? not that i want to use I'm just curious |
Make friends with the meat heads at the gym, they know. |
| I have been interested in using steroids. I kinda went through various weight loss and gains. Starting 7 years ago I went from 180>145>160/170>225 and am currently at about 205-208. I am 5'10" and I don't consider myself extremely overweight, I have a minor build under my fat (I use to lift weights, was never cut like an athlete but had some minor tone) but I'm still unhappy with my weight/look. I wouldn't mind being built or skinny, I just want this fat gone and have limited time to work out due to a full time job and school. Would you recommend steroids to someone in my position to help lose fat quickly? I had heard there was a type of steroid that doesn't bulk you up as much, and mostly just burns fat quicker, is there something like that? |
Absolutely not. You should have a strict workout regimen and perfect diet along with being close to your genetic maximum capabilities before trying gear. First and foremost, get your diet in check. I know you hate hearing that, but steroids actually cannot burn fat, no matter what anyone says, that is proven. There ARE steroids that work in tandem very effectively with a cutting diet and workout routine, but they dont burn fat, they just keep muscle on you while to cut. If you want to turn to drugs for fat burning, ECA stacks are common. Ephedrine, caffeine, and aspirin. I dont like it bc it makes me feel shitty, but it works for some. If you're really out of control, talk to a weight loss clinic, there are a few options for medications that help with appetite e.g. adderall. |
| My main thought behind it would be increasing muscle and metabolism to increase fat burn. So do you think if I met the requirements on a diet and workout routine that I would lose fat? Or would it just add muscle initially and start adding muscle behind my fat first? I'm sure in the long run it would, but if I decided to start using I think it would only be one cycle. I could probably fit in a regular workout and diet, but my issue is motivation. I use to spend about 2 hours at the gym 5 days a week when I recently hit about 180, dropped to about 175 but had lowered my BMI and overall inches so I knew that though only 5lbs were lost, I was gaining muscle. This was through dieting and a routine that my trainer put me on, but after a while it became too much to spend almost 2 hours at the gym and trying to balance a personal life. So I guess my next question would be, what type of results do you think I would see if I could get into a 1 hour or so 5-6 days a week routine using steroids for about a month? |
Hey man, please for the sake of your health and sanity, pump the brakes for a second. |
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Steroids would just add muscle behind your fat, not help you get rid of the fat, even if it did ultimately raise your resting metabolic rate, you'd have to eat more to keep the muscle, therefore making it all worthless. |
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READ THIS CAREFULLY: Steroids are not for motivation. One needs to be motivated to get any benefit from steroids. Also, you cannot make any worthwhile gains from a month-long steroid cycle. |
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A minimum cycle is 8 weeks and that's if you're using short ester test and you'd have to stick yourself every other day. It sounds like you need to get other parts of your life in order before you even consider these types of drugs. If you can't get motivated to keep a regular diet or gym routine for longer than one year, then you're in no way ready for steroids. Not to mention that steroids are not really the right tool for what you're trying to do. It sounds like you are strong underneath your fat and you just want to lose your fat. Steroids do not promote fat loss at all. 1 cup of coffee per day burns more fat than steroids can. |
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If you get into the gym 5 days a week with a solid routine and fix your diet, you can lose up to 4 pounds of fat per week. You could also put on 5 pounds of muscle in no time. But look man, I get it, when you take a workout drug or supplement, you feel obligated to get in the gym, I get that! So get yourself some protein, some creatine, and a stimulant rich pre-workout supplement like Jack3d or NOxplode, clean up your diet, hit the gym with cardio 3 times a week and you'll melt, I promise. Tell you what, I'll make you a deal. If you can prove to me that you've dropped 15 pounds in the next 2 months, I will personally help you with research and designing a theoretical cycle for the future. k? |
| How much have your lifts gone up since starting to use steroids? Is is appreciable faster than without steroids? |
Depending on which steroids you're using, your strength goes way up while you're on cycle (8-12 weeks usually). Your muscles are holding more nitrogen and you all have the willpower and energy to lift more. When you cycle off (stop taking them), your lift maxes go down, but you're definitely stronger than before the cycle. |
| Are you black or are you just that guy from LOST? Why do you call everyone brother? |
I'm southern, so I guess, that guy from Lost is the closest to the truth. |
| are you a priest? |
Truth be told, I wish reddit was a little more brotherly. There's a fraternal existence here that goes unacknowledged by most here because of fear. I like the gym because everyone is there routing each other on, not hating. But then again, this is the internet. |
| How long have you been taking steroids? I'm more interested in the diet side because that's what i struggle with most in weightlifting. I'm trying to get stronger for sports but being in college i don't really follow a meal plan except for what's in the college cafeteria. I am interested in starting to cook for myself though. What does your diet look like? or is there any place(website) to find diets for a budget? |
2 years on and off. I keep paleo as much as possible with the exception of dairy. Other diet tips in this comment. |
| This AMA reminded me of this video...Link to youtu.be So what DO you bench? |
Haha, I miss Farley. I don't usually max-out, but off-cycle (not using steroids), I would guess about 315. |
| You don't rep max? How do you base the weights you use for your sets? Don't you base it off your rep max? I actually thought your bench would be much higher. At my peak, my best was around 315 at 180lbs. |
As mentioned, I dont max often, so I can't deliver my current max. I max about every quarter, just to have points of reference as you mention. |
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The reason my max is not ungodly is that my goals are not strength, I'm not a football player, nor am I a power lifter. I just want to look and feel good. Putting up that kind of weight CAN damage joints, ligaments, etc, and I don't need high weight maxes for affirmation. Look at olympic power lifters, they're big, but not muscled out like a bodybuilder. |
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Sure, If I wanted to get my max to 500#, I could, but then what? |
| Good point. At 240, I'm sure you could do a lot more if that was your goal. Do you find using dumbbells helps with getting cut more so than a straight bar? |
Dumbells should be part of every routine. It helps build your stabilizing muscles and keeps you symmetrically strong, helping you avoid injury. |
| How would you know if you were more aggressive? People who have little experience with mood swings often do not recognize they are having mood swings. |
If you have any self-awareness, you'll know. But you're right in that people who have little experience with mood swings often do not recognize them. It is up to that person to make sure they are extra careful if they decide to use. I had little experience with mood swings when I started and was very paranoid, but I dont change that much. I become more confident, thats all. People around you usually let you know if you're being a dick. |
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>Steroids just make me more confident in myself, not angry. Most of my fellow users say that steroids just make you more of yourself. If you're an asshole inherently, you'll just be more of an asshole when you take steroids. Unfortunately, the percentage of steroids users that are assholes is higher than gen pop. |
| What steroids are you using and what are their benefits? |
I wont disclose what steroids I use, but I will say that Testosterone is the base of most steroid cycles, or should be. I avoid most oral steroids bc they reek havoc on your liver. Each steroid has a different effect and will be used with different goals in mind (getting big, or just ripped, etc). Google can give you more info. |
| Any reason why you won't disclose what steroids you are using? |
No, just trying not to indict myself. In the past, I have used Testosterone, anavar, primobolan, trenbolan and anadrol. |
| My biggest fear of roids is that it enhances balding. Since most men start to have some form of hair recession starting in their 30s, this freaks me out. Do you mind the chance? |
Ah yes, one of my biggest worries too. Balding runs in my family and I was concerned about losing some hair. I try to avoid steroids that are DHT derivatives like masteron, those are the ones that will be the riskiest. DHT is the cause of balding. Some steroids like Testosterone convert to DHT and can take your hair too. I haven't had any balding yet, but that doesn't mean it's not possible. I keep propecia (DHT blocker for balding) on-hand in case, but so far, I haven't had any problems. It's just a risk thats all part of the steroid choice. |
| Do you ever feel you're cheating your way to the top? |
Steroids aren't miracle drugs. One must still work VERY hard to put on muscle and stay ripped, so no, I don't feel like I'm cheating. Also, I reached my genetic maximum before I started steroids, so the results I'm getting now is all bonus. It's like not using cheat codes until after you've beaten the game. |
| What's the point in using them anyway, it's not like everyone else doesn't know? |
No, no one knows, they just think I love working out. I've always been pretty big, so it's never been questioned. |
| Good points. and im sure that someone would have to be deep into the addiction and do them for years for the negative effects to happen. do you or have you used creatine? |
The risk still exists, if you overdose on certain steroids, you could hypothetically flip out in your first week of steroids. Once again, abuse vs responsible use. |
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I do use creatine, I like it, monohydrate only. I cycle that too. |
| Gday, was there any particular source that you got all your information? I am finding that there is alot on the net to sift through. Kind of hard sometimes to tell whats legit and whats not. |
I sifted through the net for about a year, talked to doctors, both endocrinologists and 'anti-aging' docs, talked to my father who is on TRT, read the few studies that are out there, etc. A really good place for solid information is steroidology.com. The stickies on the boards are pretty accurate. |
| What kind of gains have you seen? |
I started fat at about 300 pounds worked my way down to 200, then back up to 240 ish adding mass and a touch of fat. Tripling strength. |
| Do you keep much of the mass or stregth when you are off cycle? |
I keep 80% of my mass on most cycles. Water loss is most of that 20% but I take on a lot of water naturally. I don't keep as much of the strength, but that's to be expected. It also depends on which steroids you run, with how much mass/strength you keep. |
| Did it effect your dick? |
No effect on the dick, just the drive. I got hornier on cycle, less horny coming off cycle, normal two weeks after cycle ended. |
| Reading seems to be the best thing to do. Did you push your body as far as you could naturally before you went the route of steroids? |
Yes, I did. There's no need to be on steroids otherwise. Your body is ready to make muscle, but growth slows once you reach a certain point. That takes years though. |
| You say you hold multiple degrees and have a high IQ, but in your username you spell vegans wrong? |
Yeah, I was rushing and totally spelled it wrong. Thanks for the heads-up. |
| So basically should I take it if I wanna bulk fast? Also upvoted, thanks for answer. |
I dont advocate taking steroids. I just advocate responsible use if you decide to do so. You need to have a lot of things in place before taking steroids. You dont want to take them just bc you want to bulk fast. If fast is even your vocabulary, then you need to bulk naturally for a while before using gear. I only use steroids bc I reached close to my genetic peak and couldn't get bigger naturally. I didnt use them to bulk fast, I use them to bulk. |
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