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[–]polexportswe'll shoah you some good prices 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (93子コメント)

No. We make the swastikas because it is the worldwide symbol for National Socialism. Just as the communist Eastern Bloc are committed to their symbolism and ideology we are committed to NatSoc. A logical, far-right ideology is represented on this server in a serious way at /pol/ and the Swastika is our symbol.

[–]xpNchey how's it going guys 😊 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (13子コメント)

you could at least attempt subtlety and use a fasces or something

[–]Spazzy_Genius 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Notice he used Nat Soc not fascism

Asking them to use the fasc is like asking a democrat to use the republican elephant

[–]StegDocKawww | Crypto-Fascist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Democrats and Republicans have vastly differing political beliefs. National Socialism is usually seen as, and shares the characteristics of a form of fascism, so you are absolutely incorrect.

[–]kovio 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

National Socialism is very far off from Italian Fascism

[–]StegDocKawww | Crypto-Fascist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Fasces and Italian Fascism are not mutually exclusive

[–]kovio 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know that

[–]Spazzy_Genius 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nat Soc is a derivative of fascism, But fascism is a derivative of socialism, but you don't see fascists praise Marx

Abd there are differences Historically fascism has been implemented in a more capitalistic fashion and under monarchies

Nat Soc had been under dictatorships with extreme nationalization of the entire economy

Edit: you're right using Democrats and Republicans was a bad example I should have used Leninist and Marxist

[–]sashimiiKing of CW | cougar prevention strategist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

fasces

You mean, a bundle of sticks?

What's the word in English for that again?

[–]xpNchey how's it going guys 😊 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fascist and faggot, both used as meaningless insults by both sides of the political spectrum

seems to me that being a bundle of sticks is an undesirable trait no matter what you subscribe to

[–]sashimiiKing of CW | cougar prevention strategist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a centrist I'm called a fence sitter, so assuming the fence is made of wood, I guess I sit on the bundle of sticks?

[–]CIV_QUICKCASHYou have all contributed to destroying /r/historicalwhatif 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Fascists and NatSocs are so different they may as well be on different sides of the spectrum.

[–]theweltinatorDatlof Stands! 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No. You know what a spectrum is, right? They're not next to each other, but they're certainly on the same side of said spectrum. The terms "right" and "left" in this context refer to different ends of the spectrum. In the U.S., the terms right and left usually refer to the Republican and Democratic Parties, respectively. But if we're using a larger spectrum that covers worldwide ideologies, while they remain on opposite sides of the spectrum, they're both near the center. Fascism and National Socialism are both on the left, farther to the end than Democracy and closer to each other than anything else.

[–]CIV_QUICKCASHYou have all contributed to destroying /r/historicalwhatif 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ehhhhh. I know what I mean when I use that word, and I'm standing behind my statement. /r/debatefascism lately has really made it very apparent, the two different flavors of the ideology believe in such vastly different things for different reasons, definitely enough to put one on one half of the spectrum and the other on the other.

[–]FlyingSpaceZart 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe if you were to place the fulcrum on anarchism.

[–]Perdikkas 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you want to be taken seriously maybe just find a new symbol that's not associated by westerners as one of the single most hateful symbols in existence?

[–]AerothersGrand Diagonarch of Kolima 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, this is the main reason why I can't take any national socialist who flies swastikas seriously. If you actually took yourself seriously, you wouldn't have picked that as your symbol.

[–]sashimiiKing of CW | cougar prevention strategist 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We make the swastikas because it is the worldwide symbol for National Socialism.

Nope.

Just in the West. Elsewhere it's a symbol for Hinduism, Jainism, or Buddhism. Nazism isn't an ideology that favours creativity, so it only makes sense that you had to steal an auspicious symbol from the East and shit on it rather than make your own goddamn symbol.

[–]Toxiclord 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Claims to only be promoting national socialism- http://gyazo.com/c2a04550aa5004c504575f3b82fc2644 . By the way, I counted about 18 swastikas. If you're actually promoting it, national socialism or perhaps in the usage of the buddhist/hindu symbol, I would probably say you went overboard(/or will try to act like you're promoting an innocent symbol just to make others feel bad) no matter the definition compared to how many there are.

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    [–]polexportswe'll shoah you some good prices 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (63子コメント)

    logical : /\ ) http://imgur.com/dwKdx3v

    [–]AerothersGrand Diagonarch of Kolima 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is a joke right... right?

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      [–]polexportswe'll shoah you some good prices -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      In a word: Palestine.

      I could say more but I don't wish to have this account banned from the sub

      [–]IntellectualHobo✌.|•͡˘‿•͡˘|.✌ 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      sigh

      Not all Jews support Israel, that's all I'm saying on that so that this doesn't turn into a mess.

      [–]FlyingSpaceZart -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      "Balfour declaration"s internally

      [–]geckos100Premier of New Leningrad-"Nipple Cripple It for Massive Damage!" 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (36子コメント)

      ok

      [–]polexportswe'll shoah you some good prices -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (35子コメント)

      care to discuss how many millions of innocents communism has killed over national socialism, comrade? I'm guessing probably nyet.

      [–]geckos100Premier of New Leningrad-"Nipple Cripple It for Massive Damage!" 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      I'll play that game.

      I don't think we killed to many civilians while trying to stop the Bolsheviks from taking power, as a matter of fact it was common practice to take captured Red Army soldiers and smuggle them behind enemy lines back to their families.

      Oh wait you thought the Bolsheviks were the communists! hahaha...

      You statist sheeps and your constant repetition of capitalist propaganda...

      [–]MarcAFKThat's my fetish, uh I mean trigger. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      They were just fascists who chose to take the symbology of socialism.

      [–]Spazzy_Genius 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      And Hitler was a manic who chose Nat Soc

      Be as revisionist abd apologetic as you want, it doesn't change the fact that Stalin and Mao did what they did while leading communist organizations

      Edit: also I don't appreciate you using communist and socialist interchangeably, there are differences between those 2 groups. Mao abd Stalin were not socialists, they were communists

      [–]mightberallag 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      You statist sheeps and your constant repetition of capitalist propaganda...

      you, as a communist (not even the anarchist variant) just called someone a statist sheep.

      this is ironic right

      [–]geckos100Premier of New Leningrad-"Nipple Cripple It for Massive Damage!" 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      er... I m an ancom so...

      [–]mightberallag 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      my mistake. you don't exactly try to make that distinction in your posts, but rather seek to implicitly dismiss authoritarian variants as not "true communism", which struck me as odd.

      [–]geckos100Premier of New Leningrad-"Nipple Cripple It for Massive Damage!" 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I see where you could get this, he only classified my Ideology as Communism, which it technically is, but never actually tried to figure out what my exact ideology is.

      [–]geckos100Premier of New Leningrad-"Nipple Cripple It for Massive Damage!" 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (19子コメント)

      Down votes!

      Ha ha, can't handle the true, eh?

      [–]polexportswe'll shoah you some good prices -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (18子コメント)

      There is a very polarizing booked called "the black book of communism" It estimates Communist Regimes worldwide have killed over 110 million innocents.
      You should check it out as it feel like it paints an accurate view of life under these regimes. Perhaps you might even learn something about communism!

      [–]geckos100Premier of New Leningrad-"Nipple Cripple It for Massive Damage!" 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (17子コメント)

      Communist Regimes is a contradiction, evidently communist in name only

      [–]polexportswe'll shoah you some good prices -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      you're welcome to weasel out whatever phrasing is palatable to you; the book is about the brutal life conditions under communist controlled countries and the confirmed tens of millions of citizens who were killed by their actions. Unlike books glorifying Che, Marx, it doesn't hold back any punches when it comes to exposing communism's true nature.

      [–]geckos100Premier of New Leningrad-"Nipple Cripple It for Massive Damage!" 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      The book is depicting scenes from something that has no communist elements!

      In the USSR, China, NK, all have claimed to be communist, but none (USSR had some) rely on the ideas of dictatorship of the proletarian, actual wealth distribution, or even basic things like the communal ownership of the means of production or the abolition of capitalism.

      [–]VoiceofTheMattressJacky's lacky -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (11子コメント)

      Lel

      [–]geckos100Premier of New Leningrad-"Nipple Cripple It for Massive Damage!" 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

      Please explain to me how the hell the USSR, China, or NK are communist

      [–]Spazzy_Genius 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Dyadkin estimated that the USSR suffered 56 to 62 million "unnatural" during 1924-53, with 34 to 49 million directly linked to Stalin.

        Do I need to pull up the stats on Mao?

      [–]nasty-as-alwaysSickan 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Haha, a 180 million country suffers 62 million casualties to communism and 30 million to WW2, losing 92 million between 1924 and 1953. Yet somehow their population was 208 million in 1959.

      That must be the only country that has ever lost half it's population and then grown right back to it's old size and then some... In 6 years.

      [–]geckos100Premier of New Leningrad-"Nipple Cripple It for Massive Damage!" 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronstadt_rebellion

      0 civilians killed by the real communists

      [–]Perdikkas 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      No true communist would ever be responsible for the deaths of civilians.

      Both of you are being ridiculous here. No economic/government system is perfect and people will always die as a result. To claim otherwise is either ignorant or indicative of you being too invested in the argument to adhere to accuracy.

      Besides, simply comparing the numbers of deaths, intentional or unintentional, as raw numbers means nothing in comparing economic and governmental structures. You're completely disregarding so many other factors that involve but are not limited to, the wealth of the nation, the population of the nation, pre-existing economic conditions within the nation, foreign reactions (things like embargoes or even invasion), how the nation affects others (exporting revolution/invasion/economic policies), and so on.

      You both need to stop letting your own opinions and feelings get in the way of having a meaningful debate.

      [–]autowikibot 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      No true Scotsman:

      No true Scotsman is an informal fallacy, an ad hoc attempt to retain an unreasoned assertion. When faced with a counterexample to a universal claim ("no Scotsman would do such a thing"), rather than denying the counterexample or rejecting the original universal claim, this fallacy modifies the subject of the assertion to exclude the specific case or others like it by rhetoric, without reference to any specific objective rule ("no true Scotsman would do such a thing").

      Interesting: True Scotsman | Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal | Special pleading | Tautology (rhetoric)

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      [–]geckos100Premier of New Leningrad-"Nipple Cripple It for Massive Damage!" 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I was not the one comparing numbers he was.

      This was never a legitimate debate.

      [–]geckos100Premier of New Leningrad-"Nipple Cripple It for Massive Damage!" 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      And I never said that, your paraphrasing me.

      [–]LoginxGames☭Market Socialist Re-Extraordinaire ☭ - "I coined Farleywar" 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      First off, half of that shit is the exact opposite of what the Nazis did (such as no slave income, all citizes having rights, etc.)

      Secondly, The main problem that comes from this world view is it's views on government interference. "Citizens must have strong national/racial/ethnic views" could very well be used to wage genocide against an individual group by deeming them as non-citizens. "Nationalizing corporations" can be used to make all industries and workers abide to a political view, keeping people they may not like in power. "indiscriminate punishment for all terrorists" can be defined in so many ways that could very well make the government terrorists themselves. And then "no foreign influence on the press" disallows citizens from hearing views outside their own country, increasing the ability of propaganda tenfold. As far as I can tell, the ideals of National Socialism are just a clever way of getting fascism pushed into legal standing.

      [–]crimeo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (19子コメント)

      It seems like a joke at first because 70% of the things are the polar opposite of what Nazis actually did. But then the other 30% have no clear joke. I dunno if it's the heighten the ruse, or if all of it is actually the serious infographic of a deranged person.

      [–]kovio 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Read the tenets of national socialism, those written down by the NDSAP, maybe you'll learn something.

      You want to learn about a very, very good fascist leader who didn't get the bad end of the western image stick, go look up Perón.

      You take as much if not more to someone displaying a hammer and sickle, or a cross, or a star and crescent.

      [–]crimeo 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I don't care about peron. That's not what the discussion is about. They wrote "Hitler didn't do anything wrong" in giant letters on the ground. This is about German Nazism not whatever other fascist ruler you feel like cherrypicking

      [–]kovio 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Cherry picking? How so?

      [–]crimeo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Perhaps that is not the most descriptive term. "Misleadingly changing topics"?

      Bottom line: it's about Hitler. They specifically wrote his name on the ground and said he did nothing wrong. Are you or are you not defending the people who wrote the Hitler did nothing wrong on the ground? Tangential discussions of the political history of other random rulers and countries does not interest me.

      [–]polexportswe'll shoah you some good prices 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (14子コメント)

      you mean 70% of it sounds good to you so it CAN'T be le ebil nazzi ideology. Many lies have been told through history about Hitler and National Socialism. This is truly what we believe.

      [–]Perdikkas 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (12子コメント)

      A lot of what is in that graph sounds great, I would love much of that to become a reality and if that's your political leaning, good on you. But don't pull the bullshit line about lies having been told about Hitler. He didn't adhere to many of these ideas and often when he did he took them to the absolute extreme interpretation which directly and indirectly led to the deaths of tens of millions, and he did this with this result as an intention. Just because you're a national socialist doesn't mean you have to be a Nazi apologist.

      [–]polexportswe'll shoah you some good prices 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (11子コメント)

      pls. select one of the criteria in the image and tell me how hitler failed to adhere to it. (hardmode: don't choose freedom of religion)

      [–]Perdikkas 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (10子コメント)

      select one of the criteria in the image and tell me how hitler failed to adhere to it. (hardmode: don't choose freedom of religion)

      So any of them except the ones where he did?

      From the image:

      Right to self determination.

      Oh, so that's what it's called when millions of people are systematically hunted and exterminated because of their bloodlines regardless of their merit? It wasn't only religious who were targeted for extermination but entire ethnic groups.

      More land for the sustenance of our people.

      I guess Hitler did adhere to this, but when it comes at the cost of millions of innocent lives is it really worth it?

      Laws that protect foreign guests from unjust/inhumane crime.

      Unless they're forcefully imported for the sole purpose of being unjustly and inhumanely killed or forced into slavery.

      Social programs to help the unemployed, disabled, pregnant, elderly, etc.

      Yes, the disabled had many social programs to support them, including euthanasia.

      All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.

      And so they did, at least after the Nazis determined that only healthy, politically aligned, and genetically compatible Germans were deserving of citizenship.

      If you're a national socialist that's fine, I disagree with some of your principles but don't try to diminish Hitler's crimes.

      And yes, I chose hard-mode. Any issue about discrimination that I brought up, religious discrimination was accompanied by other forms of it.

      [–]kovio 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      All of these were practiced in Mussolini Italy and Perón Argentina. And these were the core ideals of the NDSAP, literally read their manifestos and tenets and ask that shit. They were a populist party. They were super socialist and nationalistic. The German nation was so hurt because of Versailles, they were filled with revanchism, and they felt betrayed by the world and exploited by foreign interest groups. That's what national socialism is. It's a fusion of nationalism and socialism, it is neither left nor right. I'm not here to be a Hitler apologist, or even a Nazi apologist. But I don't condemn communism because the USSR was evil, I condemn it because I am against Marxism and I do not agree morally with the basic principles of Marxism. I don't just say "yeah well Hitler was a bad guy kill all fascists!!!" Just like I don't say "Stalin/Mao were bad guys kill all communists!!!!".

      Learn to base your opinions on rationality instead of feelings.

      [–]Perdikkas 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I'm not trying to get into a debate about my personal politics. I just can't stand the Hitler/Nazi apologia.

      [–]polexportswe'll shoah you some good prices 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Linking from the holocaust memorial museums website? I wonder which ethnic group curates and controls the information there :/\ ).

      every counterpoint you make boils back down to muh holocaust. Pretty hard to debate with someone if that's your only concern.

      You seem pretty misinformed about Hitler and WWII in general. Even though its a bit on the propagandists side, you should check out a film called 'the greatest story never told'

      [–]Perdikkas 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Wikipedia

      BBC

      DisabilityHistory.org

      Historyplace.com

      Life.org

      Britannica.com

      And since you're not going to actually bother reading any of these I'll cut it short here.

      [–]FlyingSpaceZart -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      -"'Right to self determination.' Oh, so that's what it's called when millions of people are systematically hunted and exterminated because of their bloodlines regardless of their merit? It wasn't only religious who were targeted for extermination but entire ethnic groups."

      Refer to "(hardmode: don't choose freedom of religion)"

      -"'More land for the sustenance of our people.' I guess Hitler did adhere to this, but when it comes at the cost of millions of innocent lives is it really worth it?"

      Expansion is most certainly worth it for the people of the national socialist nation who had lost their colonies and economy. Which millions of innocent people died due to German expansion? The millions who were deprived of any livelihood in the Soviet Union under Stalin? Those burned alive in allied incendiary bombs in Germany itself? Those who happened to catch typhus in war camps? Whose fault was that?

      -"'Laws that protect foreign guests from unjust/inhumane crime.'

      Unless they're forcefully imported for the sole purpose of being unjustly and inhumanely killed or forced into slavery."

      Germany never imported people to kill them. Germany wanted to export people, primarily to Palestine. I think you are referring to labor camps for POWs, where potential revolutionaries can be turned into helpful economic support. That is simply a logical military strategy. No side of the conflict is "humane", buzzwords do not apply to this topic.

      -"'Social programs to help the unemployed, disabled, pregnant, elderly, etc.' Yes, the disabled had many social programs to support them, including euthanasia."

      Yes, liabilities like the autistic and defective births were cleared from the German economy, but that act is not necessarily required of national socialist beliefs. Polexports was perhaps referring to the NSPW or German labor front that actually do represent what national socialism was created for.

      -"'All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.'

      And so they did, at least after the Nazis determined that only healthy, politically aligned, and genetically compatible Germans were deserving of citizenship."

      Why allow unhealthy, politically degenerative non-Germans run Germany, land of the Germans? The United States was founded for people who do not belong in other lands. Germany was founded for Germans. This concept of multiculturalism is destructive in Europe.

      Don't try to ignore Hitler's success either

      [–]LoginxGames☭Market Socialist Re-Extraordinaire ☭ - "I coined Farleywar" 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I have no fucking words...

      [–]crimeo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I said 30% was merely not an outright lie. Not that it "sounded good to me"

      Also, I don't really give a crap about what their ideology was. You can write down as many good ideas on paper as you like, and it all means nothing when you start ethnically cleansing your nation.

      [–]crimeo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

      Good to know that you are using the proper symbolism to most efficiently and accurately identify yourself as a terrible person.

      (note: far-right is not synonymous with nazism. Nazism is far right + a bunch of racism and genocide. So the swastika in particular does not advertise conservatism. It advertises the thing that is unique about the ideology--the racism and genocide.)

      [–]kovio 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Nazism is far right + a bunch of racism and genocide

      This is objectively wrong

      [–]FlyingSpaceZart 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

      Good to know that you are using the proper symbolism to most efficiently and accurately identify yourself as a terrible person.

      This is the most blatant prejudice I've ever seen.

      [–]crimeo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      I am 100% okay with being perceived as blatantly prejudiced against Nazis.

      [–]FlyingSpaceZart 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      "I am 100% okay with being perceived as blatantly prejudiced against something that I have displayed I know nothing about."

      That's a logical fallacy. You should be more afraid of people like yourself than national socialists.

      [–]AerothersGrand Diagonarch of Kolima 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I for one am terrified of people who chuck around the phrase "logical fallacy" like some kind of philosophy professor. They're clearly forces to be reckoned with.

      PS: Being misinformed isn't a logical fallacy. It's literally the only way you can be wrong that has nothing to do with logic, you fucking potato with eyes.

      [–]FlyingSpaceZart 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Crimeo denounces racism and genocide, products of prejudice. How could he not reason that hating something else for existing is no different from racism? You sound like salty horseradish.

      [–]crimeo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Edit: I see no need to justify myself in having a problem with Nazis. If that irks you, then you've just done me a service in helping me to more efficiently identify somebody I have no more need to associate with. If the feeling is mutual, then win-win, nice doing business.

      [–]FlyingSpaceZart 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      You seem to be unable to recognized the difference between a National socialist and a war criminal. You only see that war crimes did occur under a national socialist regime and thus draw the connection that it must be the form of government that is responsible. I do not condone genocide and neither do the other genuine members of /pol/ynesia, nor do all national socialists.

      [–]crimeo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      ...except the people in your town that wrote "Hitler did nothing wrong" on the ground.

      Genocide is something he did. Thus, author of that note in gigantic letters condones genocide. This is not a complicated equation.

      As well as anybody else who noticed it and did not remove it in any position of authority in your town.