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[Modpost] On Snapchat & Windows Phone (self.windowsphone)

Trainman12Lumia 920[M] が 投稿 - stickied post

First, Happy New Year everyone. 2015 will hopefully bring good things for Windows Phone.

We hate laying down the law but sometimes it's unavoidable.

The number of Snapchat/6snap related posts we've been seeing lately is a bit out of control. We have been removing them as needed but it's getting a bit tiresome.

While it's good to be optimistic, the Snapchat situation is set in stone right now. Snapchat has made their intentions crystal clear regarding Windows Phone and it is seriously doubtful that anything is going to change about this in the near future.

It's been over two years and there's no official app. And if that wasn't enough, their decision to cut off third-party support despite overwhelming opposition from our users should be a sign to everyone here that they simply don't care.

No petitions, social media blitzes, or personal appeals are going to change their stance on the subject. There is simply nothing more to be said or done about this.

As of today, ALL Snapchat related self-posts are banned. Links will still be permitted as long as they offer new and relevant information on the subject.

We understand how important Snapchat is both as an app you may use an as something that would benefit the platform. Regardless, Snapchat's stance on this subject is an uncompromising one.

Questions and concerns will be addressed as/when possible in the comments below.

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[–]SOB-17 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (6子コメント)

THANK YOU. I've been waiting for this to happen.

[–]CyberInfernoLumia 1520 <- Lumia 920 [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

Agreed. People who had never heard of snapchat before this debacle now know more than they ever wanted to.

[–]amdinatorLumia 920 [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

I've heard of snapchat before but I didn't realize that so many people use it until recently. I'm in the age range it's apparently popular in (25) but I don't know a single person who uses it.

[–]CyberInfernoLumia 1520 <- Lumia 920 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I was that same way until a couple months ago (I'm 29). I have a few friends who convinced me to get on it, and it's decently entertaining. People send/publish stupid, silly, funny stuff that they wouldn't otherwise post on facebook or some other site where they want to maintain some level of professionalism. It's not all gross stuff like you might believe.

[–]gamesjunkieLumia 521 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No shit. I might even bother checking the sub more if it's not half filled with whining about Snapchat. They'll make a Snapchat app for WP when either they're good and ready or when we make up a significant market share. There is nothing more to discuss about the issue.

[–]MisterMeatloaf -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But what exactly is wrong with talking about it? A lot of us used 6snap a LOT.

[–]notwhoithink [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Nothing wrong with talking about it if there's anything intelligent to add to the conversation. The problem is that there has been anything new, intelligent, or relevant on the topic in ages. All of the SnapChat related threads have followed the "OMG WHY DON'T WE HAVE SNAPCHAT??? WHEN CAN WE GET SNAPCHAT??? WHY WON'T RUDY FIX 6SNAP???" And "Jesus Christ, why are you still whining about Snapchat?" format.

Face it...SnapChat is the ex-girlfriend that you thought that you were in love with and now can't stop stalking because you want her back. Not only is she not into your, she doesn't even know that you exist.

[–]Jaskys★ Lumia 925.1 with Waiting Phone™ 8.1 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (5子コメント)

You guys should do a sticky for such announcements on the banner of the sub. Some subs do it and it's pretty effective, basically it works like a notification, only disappears from the banner once you press and view it.

After 1 day this thread will be hidden by some daily weekly thread.

[–]Chaosphere_LG Quantum, Lumia 920 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Problem with that is most people visit this sub via their phone so any CSS changes we make won't show up for them. I'll make sure this thread stays up for a few days.

[–]Jaskys★ Lumia 925.1 with Waiting Phone™ 8.1 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well it wouldn't hurt, right?

A lot of people browse various subreddits through their phones, but that doesn't mean that nobody visits it on desktop, you can see that pretty much every popular sub is well designed and has some special functions implemented via CSS.

I mean look at this /r/windowsmobile , if author of subreddit was quick/clever enough and worked on CSS then that subreddit would be definitely bigger than /r/Windowsphone currently is. Biggest reason for that would be that it came first and was well designed from the get go, it failed to achieve any of that and this sub took over because of 2 advantages 1. It comes with new name that WP got 2. It's well designed.

There's quite a few subreddits that proves what i just said.

Im not saying that /r/WindowsPhone is on the brink of death or something like that, just saying that some improvements wouldn't hurt nobody.

[–]brian5476Lumia Icon (RIP) [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

I like your Waiting Phonetm flair. It sums up Windows Phone to a tee.

[–]Jaskys★ Lumia 925.1 with Waiting Phone™ 8.1 [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Haha yeah it does, some guy threw a joke in one of my recent threads. Since then i use it on my flair, because it suits Windows Phone perfectly.

Here it is, credit goes to /u/MisterMeatloaf https://www.reddit.com/r/windowsphone/comments/2r09ja/joe_belfiore_more_news_on_office_for_windows/cnbe97u

[–]sasukeluffySamsung Ativ S (WP8.0.3) -> Lumia 830 (WP8.1.1) [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

haha, I saw that and was like.. no I don't think you'll do that.. and yet here we are :D

[–]inteller1020 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I'd say the number of snapchat posts are -almost- as out of control as the number of windowscentral link submissions.

I'd suggest a similar ban. Links to the original source material would be ok.

[–]Kar98_Byf42Lumia 1320 Cyan [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Thank god, at last.

[–]jimbonicsLumia 1520 [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

No petitions, social media blitzes, or personal appeals are going to change their stance on the subject.

How could you possibly know that?

[–]Luke_SkycockerFocus->L900->920->925->iPhone6 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Because winphone users have been doing it for 2 years with zero success

[–]StaerkeLumia 928 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Because they have half a brain. :)

[–]darren2368Lumia 925 | WP 8.1.1 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Have you been around here lately?...

[–]Taco_McBean 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (8子コメント)

My question is why snapchat is so resistant to Windows phone users?

[–]Trainman12Lumia 920[S,M] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (7子コメント)

There is no clear answer to this right now. Snapchat's aversion to Windows Phone may be as simple as poor corporate policy or more complicated stemming from a personal dislike. There's no way of knowing.

Yes, they have the resources to make us an app. They could develop and support an app 50 times over for us but that doesn't mean they're obligated to or that we're entitled to have one.

Edit: I don't speak for Microsoft nor have any affiliation with them but I wouldn't be surprised if they've already tried having talks with Snapchat to address the issue. It'd be pretty odd if they haven't.

[–]Zuwxiv 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

There is no clear answer

Let's be honest here: Windows phone users are a very small market. Yes, we'd love to use their service, but their resources are arguably better spent into attracting more iOS / Android users and improving their app on those platforms.

There are plenty of good business reasons to support Windows Phone, but it shouldn't be a super mystery when we're not supported. There's not enough of us, we're just not that important.

If you made aftermarket seat covers for cars, would you spend your time designing covers for a '93 Jeep Grand Cherokee, or the 2015 Civic?

[–]narf8h1 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Lets be honest here, resources to toss out a Windows app are negligible. there is no large amount of resources saved not developing for Windows Phone, no amount worth worrying about
If I have a popular app, I'm going to put it on at least as many viable platforms as possible. iOS, Windows Phone, Android . Android gets updates first(most users), iOS then Windows and so on
Its really sad to see what Snapchat and other app devs are doing, these walled gardens of apps we all use are killing innovation and killing competition in mobile in general. Thanks Apple!
I think 'Apps' should of took an entirely different route something that would of been platform agnostic. What happens when the next popular app goes to ONLY Android or only iOS(developers choice) you have friends giving up devices and entire ecosystems over 1 single app because 1 developers personal choice. yes they chose to do this but it shouldn't be an issie. blows my mind
Also I don't agree with banning selfs posts, upvotes downvotes use em

[–]Cixis 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

there is no large amount of resources saved not developing for Windows Phone, no amount worth worrying about

Have you ever written software? You are wrong.

I think 'Apps' should of took an entirely different route something that would of been platform agnostic.

They are called web applications.

[–]hungry-eyesLumia 930 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Given Rudy has already offered to work with them on the app, minimal effort would be required on their part

[–]Cixis -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

And why should they spend upwards of a $150k salary to bring an application to a 2% market share?

[–]hungry-eyesLumia 930 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Circa 10% worldwide. The majority of their users live outside the US.

Also, N.B. He didnt ask to be taken on as staff.

[–]notwhoithink [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

It's not the market share that they should be concerned about (5.8% for Q4 2014, btw). It's the installed base. There are something like 110-120 million WP users in the world. Sure, that's a lot less than iOS and Android, but it's nothing to sneeze at, either. WP definitely has some disadvantages as a developer platform, namely the lower amount of money made from low in-app advertising rates. But when you have a popular social media app/platform that isn't supported by in-app advertising, it really makes no sense to ignore a market of 100+ million users.

[–]VonSeraphLumia 830 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Finally, thank you! SnapChat is gone, we get it, the earth is still spinning...

[–]topredditgeek [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I actually think that there should be a thread to post all Snapchat-related links, with no comments, just so people can actually find out what's happening and stop posting unless there's something completely new on the subject.

[–]PM_ME_YUR_SMILE [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Finally some peace and quiet

[–]Udub -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I disagree. While I understand that having dozens of posts contributing nothing is bad, people will want to vent their frustrations.

I think having a Snapchat thread once a week is a more elegant solution. It's clearly not going away now or anytime soon, and people will want to vent and complain.

Sitting back and saying, "Woe is me, I'm not going to do anything about it but quit and be sad," is also a pathetic approach, but that's clearly an opinion. I feel that the moderators should not make blanket decisions that are based on their opinions, especially when those decisions are in disagreement with any measurable percentage of the userbase.

Having a weekly thread for all snapchat discussion allows for all parties to be happier.

[–]Trainman12Lumia 920[S,M] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's certainly an interesting idea. I'll bring it up with the other mods in the morning. I shouldn't even be awake right now. Thanks for the input!

[–]Cixis 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And then the mods waste time moderating a weekly thread about something static. There is nothing new to be said about Snapchat. If there are any updates in the future, the moderators decision allows for news to be posted. Vent your frustrations to your friends.

[–]A_Perfect_Scenelumia 1020 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I'm kind of on the fence here. I'm sick of seeing posts, yet highly disappointed and angry about this whole ordeal.

In saying that I agree that a weekly Snapchat thread is perfect. People do need to vent, and this provides a forum that doesn't take too much screen space for the members that are sick of seeing it.

And then mods waste time moderating a weekly thread

Uploading a post isn't exactly time consuming and I think the best thing you can do in a thread dedicated to people complaining is to take a hands off approach. Let people get there opinion out there. The worst thing you can do to an angry heart is bottle it. There will be a backlash.

You may even find that after a few weeks of these posts the numbers fizzle as people realise that it is, in fact, a static topic, but it doesn't hurt to try.

[–]isyourlisteningbroke1020 + 820 + 800 + 2520 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Why would you have a Snapchat thread once a week? What is there left to say?

The people who keep posting Snapchat threads are not the kind of users who will take heed of a megathread rule

[–]kwierso [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Week 52: Situation unchanged. Maybe next week will be different.

[–]Somthinginconspicou -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As pissed of as I am about the Snapchat fiasco. This is the right move, allowing new information to be posted is great. Good job, mods.

[–]ciaran036 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Why, what is the point of this? Why not just let it be controlled by upvotes and downvotes, if the situation changes or if there is new information then it will be difficult to discuss that here. a

[–]notwhoithink [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Because sometimes the wisdom of the crowd isn't wise. This subreddit had basically degraded into /r/wpsnapchatcirclejerk, and there was literally no new or useful information being provided. That tends to alternate readers.

[–]inteller1020 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

riiiight....like Reddit is the bastion of useful information.

[–]MisterMeatloaf -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes a bizarre and pointless censorship. The killing of snapchat is one of the more fucked things that's happened on my WP - considerably more important than the BS we'll see here instead

[–]PM_ME_YUR_SMILE [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Most people come here to talk about windows phone and not to whine about the app gap. You know what you're getting involved in when you get a windows phone and I feel that this sub was getting saturated with app gap babies

[–]fastskylarkLumia 1020 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

as someone who has never used or cared about snapchat FINALLY!

[–]compostablethrowaway -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (16子コメント)

First, fuck Snapchat. Their childish antics have me uninstalling Snapchat in favor of Cyberdust, which is truly cross platform and just as good.

Second, fuck censorship. This is not the Democratic People's Republic of North Fucking Korea. If I were to write a script mining this sub for negative self-text posts bitching about this or that, I'm almost certain they would comprise easily 75% of all self-text posts here. Why is Snapchat bitching special?

Third, if Snapchat does have a Redditch presence, wouldn't it be a good thing for them to continue seeing their product being in demand for WP? If this channel suddenly goes quiet on the matter, what does that tell them?

[–]Cixis 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (12子コメント)

You're right; this isn't a country. It's not North Korea or the United States. There are no laws here, including freedom of speech. It's reddit. The moderators are moderating. Your use of this subreddit is subject to the moderators decisions.

[–]svn [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

but muh liberty

[–]compostablethrowaway [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Don't be so subversive. :)

[–]svn [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

You're the subversive going against what the moderators want!!

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    [–]StoneInMyHandTitan>L720>8X>L925>L830 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Freedom of speech doesn't apply on a companies website. Their house, their rules. You can go outside and talk as much as you like about snap chat and no one will stop you.