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[–]LawrenceGardiner 44 ポイント45 ポイント46 ポイント 6 時間 前 (56子コメント)
Where's the racism? What does the profile picture have to do with the post? Where's the funny?
[–]recreational 75 ポイント76 ポイント77 ポイント 6 時間 前 (55子コメント)
Where's the racism
In getting upset at people posting that black lives matter?
[+]OWNNWONOW スコアが基準値未満のコメント-24 ポイント-23 ポイント-22 ポイント 5 時間 前 (52子コメント)
Would it be OK to post "White lives matter"?
If I did, you'd assume I'm a racist, right?
[–]vgman20 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 5 時間 前 (19子コメント)
Not /u/recreational, but I certainly wouldn't. I suppose the context would make the difference, but there's nothing wrong with saying "Black lives matter", and there's nothing wrong saying "White lives matter", though I would argue there's something wrong with saying that people shouldn't say Black lives matter.
[+]Freqd-with-a-silentQ スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント 4 時間 前 (12子コメント)
All lives matter thats the whole point.
Saying "Black Lives Matter" alone, is in and of itself divisive.
[–]vgman20 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 3 時間 前 (2子コメント)
But the point of their statement/movement is that people are acting like Black lives don't matter, which is why they have to specify. These recent issues, at least in their eyes, are because some people don't think black lives matter. So saying "all lives matter" does not get across the point they're trying to get across.
[–]Freqd-with-a-silentQ 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
No, by saying all lives matter, you say that His life mattered just as much as yours, what happens if this happens to you, or someone you know. We are all equal citizens, we all have the same rights, we all need to be treated equally, all lives matter. Stop being divisive and work against the actual problem, which is lack of police accountability, we should hold them to the same standard for every action, against every person, as we are all equal, stop being divisive.
[–]vgman20 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
But that's obvious. Nobody is saying that something is okay because it's just someone's life. However, in these protestor's eyes, people are counting black people's lives for significantly less than white people's. So saying "all lives matter", well, sure that's a nice message, but missing the point of their protest.
stop being divisive.
It's only being divisive because you're misinterpreting it. As i've said before, the implication is not "black lives matter...and others don't". The implication is "black lives matter too" or "black lives matter just as much as white lives, asian lives, etc. etc.". I don't see how saying "black lives matter too" is divisive at all.
[–]recreational 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 4 時間 前 (2子コメント)
I would say that it is the attitude that makes someone unable to hear "black lives matter" without taking it as a personal attack that is causing any division, and it is that attitude that needs to be dealt with. What we don't need is to pretend that this isn't a problem of disparate racial treatment.
[–]Checkmeme 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I am not saying no one should say it. The statement is objectively devisive however. It's not ment to be perfect it is simply a social meme. Something along the lines of all lives matter, including black lives would be more inclusive although not as catchy.
I suppose it also matters if you are protesting police brutality and overreach in general or just against a certain race.
But anyone who understands the social context shouldn't find the statement black lives matter to be racist. They may not be racist in giving comentary on the divisiveness of the phrase black lives matter but also their efforts are rather pointless as it is just a protest slogan.
[–]Freqd-with-a-silentQ 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
The problem right now is police action with regards to it's citizens. We are all equal, and need to ask ourselves if the way Gardner, Rice, Crawford were treated is the way the police should be acting.
The obvious answer is no, and this is the argument that should be being made. Instead, by dividing the issue, you allow for all sorts of arguments and obfuscations. Remind them you are just the same, just as equal.
[–]CecilBDeMillionaire 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 3 時間 前 (5子コメント)
We say "black lives matter" because people need to be reminded of that, and because the criminal justice system acts as if that isn't the case. Do you go to the Vietnam war memorial and say "Well people died in WWII too and they're equally important"? You're just derailing the conversation
No, you are derailing the conversation away from the fact that police are killing people and not being held accountable.
[–]CecilBDeMillionaire 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
That's literally what the conversation is about
[–]racistsaredumb -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 3 時間 前 (2子コメント)
"Black lives matter too" or "All lives matter - including black people" is less divisive than these signs. Maybe people need to be reminded that "Non black lives matter too" because if people face either being killed by an attacker who happens to be black or defending yourself and stirring up some riots from knuckle heads then you've got a problem.
[–]CecilBDeMillionaire 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 3 時間 前 (1子コメント)
That's ridiculous. There's systemic racism in this country and recent decisions by courts across the country have shown that black lives are valued less than white lives. Black Lives Matter is a reminder in the face of widespread bigotry. It's stupid to get offended just because they didn't clarify All Lives Matter because that's an obvious statement and that's not what the protests are about.
[–]racistsaredumb 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
No it isn't stupid because by saying it, it is further dividing people. "All lives matter including black lives" paints people equal which they should be. It drops some tribalist "Us vs. Them" mindsets. It convinces people who see black vs. white vs. other colors that they are all the fucking same, in the same family, the same tribe.
I'm telling you the god's honest truth here that you will convince very few people (that wouldn't already be easy to convince to your cause) unless you are more than willing to include yourself in "their" group too. Do not treat people you're trying to convince like shit and rubbing their noses in their faults regardless of how wrong they are. Treat them as equals and reason with them and it will be a thousand times more effective.
But if you want more drama, misunderstanding, harm, violence, deaths followed by a very small chance at a symbolic victory way down the road where maybe you can rub those fucking racists noses in their own shit, then keep it up. I hope you're smarter than that and harmony between us all is what you're after instead of a weaker victory that rings hollow with lasting problems that never quite fixes the problem.
[–]chuttz -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 4 時間 前 (5子コメント)
I reckon it to when people say "i love kids", it's like saying "i love humans." When people say "black lives matter", why not just say "lives matter?" I want to assume the baby-poster in the joke meant that all lives matter so stop singling blacks out. I don't think they meant black lives don't matter. I might just be naive and underestimate people's ability to hate but my gut instinct is that they didn't mean anything racist and just chose poor words to get their point across.
[–]shhkari -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 50 分 前 (1子コメント)
When people say "black lives matter", why not just say "lives matter?"
To force home the fact that black lives matter, because society at large doesn't seem to see it that way.
[–]PM_me_your_pastries 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 29 分 前 (0子コメント)
Society "at large" doesn't seem to see it that way? Come on son.
[–]OWNNWONOW -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 3 時間 前 (2子コメント)
The point is, if a white person posts anything about being proud to be white, they are assumed to be a racist. If you are proud to be white, that implies that other races are inferior. But if you are proud to be any other races, well, good for you.
The point I am making is not that there is something inherantly wrong with saying "Black lives matter", as they obviously do. I am saying that saying "White lives matter" brings along inferences, and is not generally acceptable in this society. So there is some level of hypocrisy here.
I am not saying that it has anything to do with any other race. I am saying that society is being manipulated.
[–]k9centipede -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
There isn't anything wrong with being proud and glad you're white. It's just not a very relevant statement so there's not many reasons to specify it except "no one is paying attention to meeee".
[–]OWNNWONOW 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Thanks for trying.
[–]recreational 21 ポイント22 ポイント23 ポイント 4 時間 前 (22子コメント)
I would, yes, but that's because I am aware of social context. We live in a society in which the assertion "black lives matter" has actual meaning- it posits that it is not right that black people are far more likely to be murdered and their murderers face no justice than other people.
"White lives matter" makes no such sense, and the only angle we could interpret it through would be as a declaration that the "black lives matter" people are wrong, lying, looking for attention, etc., in other words, denial of existing racism. Which is itself racist.
[+]OWNNWONOW スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント 3 時間 前 (18子コメント)
far more likely to be murdered
Let's just pretend for a second that you could actually back up any of the above claims with actual facts and statistics. Let's pretend.
And who is far more likely to murder them?
Anyway. Yes, saying "black lives matter" implies that there is some objection to this somewhere. A straw man. No one ever said black lives don't matter. No one is killing blacks at a faster rate than anyone else, aside from other blacks. If a black is killed by a white cop, it is a national headline. If a white is killed by a black, it would be racist to even have it on the back page of the news, because then we're picking on the blacks.
Saying "black lives matters" stirs up conflict that was never there to begin with by implying that someone said "black lives don't matter", first. But if anyone were to say "white lives matter", even in the context of the lack of reporting on white deaths at the hands of other races, then you are automatically a Nazi.
Here is a hint: You are either being manipulated by a third party (try to figure out who controls the media which guides society), or you are a part of that third party yourself and are trying to manipulate others.
EDIT: Futhermore. The more conflict there is between whites and blacks, the less either notice who is really enslaving both.
[–]recreational 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 3 時間 前* (16子コメント)
I'm not sure if you're calling me a Jew or a member of the Illuminati.
Either way, holy shit.
eta:
Holy shit holy shit. You yelling racist shit at random people on r/blackpeopletwitter:
People who look at my comment history tend to call me a 'neo-nazi'. So, you look pretty stupid with how bad you are struggling here. All pissed off because your father paid your mother pocket change and a half gram of cut for the 15 minutes, and never saw her again.
eta2: Oh, I figured out which.
Since the 1850s the Rothschild Family has owned both Reuters and the Associated Press. The Rothschilds are the creators of Israel. All news (in the west) comes from Reuters and AP. So they control ALL the news.
eta3: Oh wow it just gets worse. You are a real piece of shit.
If you do some actual research into how many Jews died during the holocaust, it was more like 30,000. Some people are willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and say 100,000. But there's no real proof for anything over 30,000. The rest is strictly propaganda.
[–]oogmar 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
IllJewminati?
[+]OWNNWONOW スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10 ポイント-9 ポイント-8 ポイント 3 時間 前 (14子コメント)
So, like the typical JIDF shill, you use logical fallacies instead of addressing any of my points honestly.
Thanks for playing.
PS - They don't think it be like it is but it do.
[–]recreational 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 2 時間 前 (3子コメント)
You're running around denying the Holocaust and saying I must be in the Jewlumminati and want to accuse me of logical fallacies.
Okay, buddy.
[+]OWNNWONOW スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント-4 ポイント 2 時間 前 (2子コメント)
So, just to be clear. You have no arguments about what I have actually said, in this thread, you just have strawman and ad-hominem.
Again, thanks for taking the time to leave all your comments. They have been really insightful.
[–]WhamBamMaam 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2 時間 前 (9子コメント)
Are you just having a stroke 24/7 that makes everything look ass-backwards? I feel like I'm listening to someone on opposite day.
[–]OWNNWONOW -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 2 時間 前 (8子コメント)
Irony
So, you had no arguments about what I actually said. Just that it's "ass-backwards". [citation needed]
[–]WhamBamMaam 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 2 時間 前 (7子コメント)
You're calling someone a Jewish internet defense force member for not being a holocaust denier. The fact that you are one demonstrates that you have had a fundamental break with reality, and instead of actually learning about the strange and fascinating world around you, because that would be too difficult, you listen to people who are just as misguided and uneducated as you rant about some completely unsubstantiated cabal that happens to fit your hateful 'world theory'. Did I miss anything?
[–]Schlessel 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Black lives matter means that no matter who is killing black people they should be brought to justice. you see Black people are all just people if one black person kills another person thats just as bad as if anyone else killed anyone else. This movement was brought on by officers of the law killing innocent black people but it extends beyond that. its not entirely abut the killings its about bringing them to justice. By saying "Black lives matter" you encourage anyone who may think black lives are worth less than anyone else to re-think the stance be they black white or purple
[–]registereduser2 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 1 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Is it racist if a black man kills a white man?
How about if he calls him a cracker before, after or during the act of killing him?
Of white people that have been killed, what percentage were killed by black people?
Of people that blacks have killed, what percentage were white?
Are you black or white?
Why do you identify as black or white? Isn't that racist?
[–]giblets24 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 30 分 前 (1子コメント)
You've missed the point, there has been more black people killed with little to no justice than there has been white people, these are facts.
"Black lives matter" is in effect a slogan, putting their voice to the opposition of this injustice. It's not "Black lives matter more than white lives", it's just "black lives matter.", white lives matter too, but are less likely to be killed (for whatever reason), so the "black lives matter" tackles this inequality (mostly), not just black lives are better and more important that whites.
No, not always.
Calling them a cracker would be racist, however a racial killing would be motivated by the fact they are of another race/creed. If a black man killed a white man because he was white, then absolutely a racial killing, that works both ways. However if a black man kills a white man because the white man slept with his girlfriend/was stealing from him etc, then this isn't a racial killing.
It's a very complex subject.
[–]registereduser2 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 5 分 前 (0子コメント)
What point?
there has been more black people killed with little to no justice than there has been white people
Where did you get that 'statistic'?
Who killed the vast majority of these murdered black people?
What sort of justice would you like to see for them?
white lives matter too, but are less likely to be killed (for whatever reason)
Again, where did this statistic come from?
Is it even a statistic when you've failed to use any numbers?
Are there really more blacks being killed than whites?
And again, who is doing the majority of these killings?
..
Well, is it 'always' racist if a white person kills a black person?
[–]LockeSteerpike 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 4 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Do people still think the "what about white history month" logic is still valid? Is this 2002?
[–]RedditsRagingId 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 4 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Reddit on race and gender? Try 1952.
[–]LockeSteerpike 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Enfranchised men: derailing conversations that don't seem to be about me for 63 years.
[–]PoisonousPlatypus 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 5 時間 前 (0子コメント)
No...
[–]apostrotastrophe -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 49 分 前 (4子コメント)
I'd assume you were super uneducated and probably anti-intellectual.
[–]OWNNWONOW 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 40 分 前 (3子コメント)
Which speaks volumes about you
[–]apostrotastrophe -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 34 分 前 (2子コメント)
That's fine, I feel like it speaks the right volumes. You're free to not like me.
[–]OWNNWONOW 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 28 分 前 (1子コメント)
Why wouldn't I like you? Just because you have been fed chemicals your entire life that make you particularly easy to be brainwashed?
You're a teenager. You don't know any better.
You should work on your projecting.
[–]apostrotastrophe 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 19 分 前 (0子コメント)
I'm a teenager?
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