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Libertarians Cheer Nosedive in NYPD Arrests, Citations (usnews.com)

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[–]Blacklory 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (39子コメント)

Wait what day is it and why isn't r/politics bashing any article that has the word libertarian in it? Something must be going crazy in the universe.

[–]neurn2 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (29子コメント)

Strangely enough, liberals and libertarians share many goals, but differ in implementation. It's just when the libertarians cry theft over taxes without presenting an alt way to create a society that they get down voted

[–]majorpaynei86 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

It's just when the libertarians cry theft over taxes without presenting an alt way to create a society that they get down voted

They have: The Market for Liberty; The Machinery of Freedom

[–]FukRPolitics [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

No, it's not just then. It's also when libertarians champion the right of people that Liberals dislike to speak their mind without massive repercussions.

Many liberals do have the problematic belief that if someone expresses an opinion they find abhorrent on twitter, then that person should lose their job at Costco or WalMart or Dicks Sporting Goods -- jobs that have absolutely nothing to do with said stated opinion. If the guy who works at CVS doesn't like Gay Marriage, get the fuck over it. If some Comedian doesn't believe in rape culture, get the fuck over it. If the star of some sitcom doesn't believe in evolution, get the fuck over it.

[–]neurn2 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

You got a lot of strawmen stuck in that an awfully big paintbrush you got there especially since Conservatives and Libertarians have never cared what people say on social media.

I think you'll find that it is Liberal institutions, ACLU etc that fight hardest for free speech, but that doesn't mean freedom from criticism for anyone.

[–]Z0di 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (25子コメント)

Libertarians are more like "leave me alone and don't bother me for anything" while democrats are like "okay, you want 20% of what I make to help build up society. That's a fair trade off."

[–]litper 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

"leave me alone and don't bother me for anything"

Unless you're a Hobby Lobby employee, then you must follow your employer's crazy cult rituals!

[–]nutmegel [非表示スコア]  (5子コメント)

Libertarians believe in a free market. The employer has the right to do what he wants. The employee has a right to work elsewhere. Government doesn't need to interfere

[–]litper [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

The employer has the right to do what he wants.

like having slaves?

[–]nutmegel [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

The public can choose not to buy from slave owners. Just like rand Paul said the civil rights act s unconstitutional. The people do not need government to pass moral law and the moral reasoning is obscured when required by law

[–]neurn2 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

But slaves can choose to not be slaves?

[–]majorpaynei86 [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Except the slaves can leave, go to another job, or start their own

[–]renee-discardes [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Except that when you are being payed poverty wages, you don't have a fair choice. The relationship between employer and employee is by definition imbalanced due to the capital involved. That's why there needs to be regulation, as expecting the people with more to always be nice and fair is wrong.

Also many practices such as oligopolization are actually bad for a free market anyway, as they discourage competition. A free market =\= an unregulated one. A free market should be a market where everyone can compete for the spending capital of others on a fair playing field.

[–]neurn2 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Libertarians are more like "leave me alone and don't bother me for anything"

That's the myth, but in reality, no, no they aren't Galt. If they were, they would get a boat and live in the middle of the ocean and stop bothering us on the govt invented internet (maybe they do, who knows).

What they really are, are people who don't want to pay for anything they use, roads, healthcare, military protection, scientific research etc.

There's nothing more hilarious than a libertarian getting govt assistance and pretending they did everything all by themselves. Source, family

[–]heybra210 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I like to define them as people who expect the most while contributing the least.

[–]mrdarrenh 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Source: bullshit.

[–]shifty1032231[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Source: None at all

[–]Z0di -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Living on a boat is much more difficult and isolated than living on land near a town.

[–]neurn2 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I know. And that's why they're hypocrits, I want to be a libertarian unless its hard

[–]renee-discardes [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Most libertarians are too poor to afford a boat.

[–]mrdarrenh -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well, why don't you move the wonderful progressive state you want to build into the middle of the ocean so the adults can have the land?

[–]neurn2 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Better question, why don't you move out of this progressive state and let us continue making progress as a society?

[–]mrdarrenh [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Nowhere to go. There is not a single spot of land that you will give us.

[–]neurn2 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Oh you want free things from people who have a long history of paying taxes to defend that land, eh?

Look, there's actually lots of islands out there that are in international waters and unclaimed and uninhabited. Good luck with pirates. Or there's Galt's Gulch in South America if you want less pirates, but you still have some state control. Good luck.

[–]majorpaynei86 [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

“Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society.

As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all.

We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on.

It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.”

Frédéric Bastiat

[–]Z0di [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

The definition of socialism has changed over the years. Just like our brand of 'capitalism'.

[–]renee-discardes [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Ah the old "let mysterious charities provide what the State no longer does" bit. The thousands of homeless in my city would like a word. Especially when in my morning work reviews I browse hundreds of unoccupied and foreclosed houses....

[–]majorpaynei86 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Ah the old "let mysterious charities provide what the State no longer does" bit.

Where did anyone suggest this?

The thousands of homeless in my city would like a word. Especially when in my morning work reviews I browse hundreds of unoccupied and foreclosed houses....

Then they should move in. It is only due to state action that people cannot homestead property.

[–]YouHaveNoRights [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Anarchists are finding themselves able to argue that the police should be abolished entirely, although you can't post any of those articles in /r/politics without them getting deleted.

[–]majorpaynei86 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

They seem surprised that this happens when you grant one group of people the exclusive right to use force against a population and grant them immunity for wrongdoing.

For some reason, things get out of control when you say that this one group can engage in actions that would otherwise be considered theft, assault, and murder, but for them having these magical uniforms that transform them into superhuman beings.

[–]litper 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Because libertarians are the same rabid christonazi republicans hiding under the new "cool" label.

[–]majorpaynei86 [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

Or liberals that know how to use a calculator

[–]litper [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

To count slaves?

[–]renee-discardes [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

I can understand conservatives and neocons flocking to the label, but liberals? Left libertarians are a thing, but not really consistent with American liberal values at all.

[–]majorpaynei86 [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Left libertarians are a thing, but not really consistent with American liberal values at all.

Really? What differences other than having nanny state?

[–]renee-discardes [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Left libertarians don't believe in a nanny state at all, they're similar to anarchosyndicalists IIRC. But go ahead, keep thinking that the left wants Big Gubment.

[–]shifty1032231[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm shocked as well. I thought it would be down voted into oblivion.