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On Nerd Entitlement

White male nerds need to recognise that other people had traumatic upbringings, too - and that's different from structural oppression.  

by Laurie Penny Published
A still from The Social Network. Photo: Getty
A still from The Social Network. Photo: Getty
A few people have forwarded me MIT professor Scott Aaronson’s post about nerd trauma and male privilege (link here) It's part of a larger discussion about sexism in STEM subjects, and its essence is simple. Aaronson's position on feminism is supportive, but he can’t get entirely behind it because of his experiences growing up, which he details with painful honesty. He describes how mathematics was an escape, for him, from the misery of growing up in a culture of toxic masculinity and extreme isolation - a misery which drove him to depression, anxiety and suicidal thoughts. The key quote is this:
“Much as I try to understand other people’s perspectives, the first reference to my 'male privilege' — my privilege! — is approximately where I get off the train, because it’s so alien to my actual lived experience . . . I suspect the thought that being a nerdy male might not make me 'privileged' — that it might even have put me into one of society’s least privileged classes — is completely alien to your way of seeing things. I spent my formative years — basically, from the age of 12 until my mid-20s — feeling not 'entitled', not 'privileged', but terrified.”
I know them feels, Scott.
As a child and a teenager, I was shy, and nerdy, and had crippling anxiety. I was very clever and desperate for a boyfriend or, failing that, a fuck. I would have done anything for one of the boys I fancied to see me not as a sad little boffin freak but as a desirable creature, just for a second. I hated myself and had suicidal thoughts. I was extremely lonely, and felt ugly and unloveable. Eventually I developed severe anorexia and nearly died.
Like Aaronson, I was terrified of making my desires known- to anyone. I was not aware of any of my (substantial) privilege for one second - I was in hell, for goodness' sake, and 14 to boot. Unlike Aaronson, I was also female, so when I tried to pull myself out of that hell into a life of the mind, I found sexism standing in my way. I am still punished every day by men who believe that I do not deserve my work as a writer and scholar. Some escape it's turned out to be.
I do not intend for a moment to minimise Aaronson's suffering. Having been a lonely, anxious, horny young person who hated herself and was bullied I can categorically say that it is an awful place to be. I have seen responses to nerd anti-feminism along the lines of "being bullied at school doesn't make you oppressed". Maybe it's not a vector of oppression in the same way, but it’s not nothing. It burns. It takes a long time to heal. Feminism, however, is not to blame for making life hell for "shy, nerdy men". Patriarchy is to blame for that. It is a real shame that Aaronson picked up Andrea Dworkin rather than any of the many feminist theorists and writers who manage to combine raw rage with refusal to resort to sexual shame as an instructive tool. Weaponised shame - male, female or other - has no place in any feminism I subscribe to. Ironically, Aronson actually writes a lot like Dworkin - he writes from pain felt and relived and wrenched from the intimate core of himself, and because of that his writing is powerfully honest, but also flawed. The thing is that the after effects of trauma tend to hang around long after the stimulus is past.
And this, for me, is the root and tragedy both of nerd entitlement and the disaster of heterosexuality.
What fascinates me about Aaronson's piece, in which there was such raw, honest suffering, was that there was not one mention of women in any respect other than how they might relieve him from his pain by taking pity, or educating him differently. And Aaronson is not a misogynist. Aaronson is obviously a compassionate, well-meaning and highly intelligent man - I don’t doubt that I’ll meet him someday, as he’s a mentor to several people I respect and lives in the city I live in, and when that happens, I’ll tell him I think so.
Nonetheless, he makes a sudden leap, and it’s a leap that comes right from the gut, from an honest place of trauma and post-rationalisation, from that teenage misery to a universal story of why nerdy men are in fact among the least privileged men out there, and why holding those men to account for the lack of representation of women in STEM areas - in the most important fields both of human development and social mobility right now, the places where power is being created and cemented right now - is somehow unfair. Nerds are not like the ‘neanderthals’, the REAL abusers of women. They should get a break.
I have a profound political belief that we all deserve a break. Take one now, for five seconds, because this is going to get heavier. Breathe. Are you done?
Ok, let’s do this.
These are curious times. Gender and privilege and power and technology are changing and changing each other. We've also had a major and specific reversal of social fortunes in the past 30 years. Two generations of boys who grew up at the lower end of the violent hierarchy of toxic masculinity - the losers, the nerds, the ones who were afraid of being creeps - have reached adulthood and found the polarity reversed. Suddenly they're the ones with the power and the social status. Science is a way that shy, nerdy men pull themselves out of the horror of their teenage years. That is true. That is so. But shy, nerdy women have to try to pull themselves out of that same horror into a world that hates, fears and resents them because they are women, and to a certain otherwise very intelligent sub-set of nerdy men, the category "woman" is defined primarily as "person who might or might not deny me sex, love and affection".
(And you ask me, where were those girls when you were growing up? And I answer: we were terrified, just like you, and ashamed, just like you, and waiting for someone to take pity on our lonely abject pubescence, hungry to be touched. But you did not see us there. We were told repeatedly, we ugly, shy nerdy girls, that we were not even worthy of the category "woman". It wasn't just that we were too shy to approach anyone, although we were; it was that we knew if we did we'd be called crazy. And if we actually got the sex we craved? (because some boys who were too proud to be seen with us in public were happy to fuck us in private and brag about it later) . . . then we would be sluts, even more pitiable and abject. Aaronson was taught to fear being a creep and an objectifier if he asked; I was taught to fear being a whore or a loser if I answered, never mind asked myself. Sex isn't an achievement for a young girl. It's something we're supposed to embody so other people can consume us, and if we fail at that, what are we even for?)
The notion that there are lots of horny teenage girls out there who are unable for all sorts of reasons to get laid remains a genuine surprise to many of my most intelligent male friends, but trust me, we were out there. We're still out there, and if one of you is reading this, honey, you are a worthwhile person, and it gets better. Or at least, you get stronger.
Hi there, shy, nerdy boys. Your suffering was and is real. I really fucking hope that it got better, or at least is getting better, At the same time, I want you to understand that that very real suffering does not cancel out male privilege, or make it somehow alright. Privilege doesn't mean you don't suffer, which, I know, totally blows.
Women generally don't get to think of men as less than human, not because we're inherently better people, not because our magical feminine energy makes us more empathetic, but because patriarchy doesn't let us. We're really not allowed to just not consider men's feelings, or to suppose for an instant that a man's main or only relevance to us might be his prospects as a sexual partner. That's just not the way this culture expects us to think about men. Men get to be whole people at all times. Women get to be objects, or symbols, or alluring aliens whose responses you have to game to "get" what you want.
This is why Silicon Valley Sexism. This is why Pick Up Artists. This is why Rape Culture.
Scott, imagine what it's like to have all the problems you had and then putting up with structural misogyny on top of that. Or how about a triple whammy: you have to go through your entire school years again but this time you're a lonely nerd who also faces sexism and racism. This is why Silicon Valley is fucked up. Because it's built and run by some of the most privileged people in the world who are convinced that they are among the least. People whose received trauma makes them disinclined to listen to pleas from people whose trauma was compounded by structural oppression. People who don't want to hear that there is anyone more oppressed than them, who definitely don't want to hear that maybe women and people of colour had to go through the hell of nerd puberty as well, because they haven't recovered from their own appalling nerdolescence. People who definitely don’t want to hear that, smart as they are, there might be basic things about society that they haven’t understood, because they have been prevented from understanding by the very forces that caused them such pain as children.
Heterosexuality is fucked up right now because whilst we've taken steps towards respecting women as autonomous agents, we can't quite let the old rules go. We have an expectation for, a craving for of a sexual freedom that our rhetoric, our rituals and our sexual socialisation have not prepared us for. And unfortunately for men, they have largely been socialised - yes, even the feminist-identified ones - to see women as less than fully human. Men, particularly nerdy men, are socialised to blame women - usually their peers and/or the women they find sexually desirable for the trauma and shame they experienced growing up. If only women had given them a chance, if only women had taken pity, if only done the one thing they had spent their own formative years been shamed and harassed and tormented into not doing. If only they had said yes, or made an approach.
This, incidentally, is why we're not living in a sexual utopia of freedom and enthusiastic consent yet despite having had the technological capacity to create such a utopia for at least 60 years. Men are shamed for not having sex; women are shamed for having it. Men are punished and made to feel bad for their desires, made to resent and fear women for having denied them the sex they crave and the intimacy they're not allowed to get elsewhere. Meanwhile, women are punished and made to feel bad for their perfectly normal desires and taught to resist all advances, even Eventually, a significant minority of men learn that they can 'get' what they want by means of violence and manipulation, and a significant minority of women give in, because violence and manipulation can be rather effective. (Note: accepting the advances of an awful man does not make these people bad women who are conspiring to 'make life hell for shy nerds'. I've heard that sort of thing come out of the mouths of my feminist-identified male nerd friends far too often.)
And so we arrive at an impasse: men must demand sex and women must refuse, except not too much because then we're evil friendzoning bitches. The impasse continues until one or both parties grows up enough or plumps up the courage to state their desires honestly and openly, without pressure or resentment, respecting the consent and agency of one another.
This usually doesn't happen. What usually happens instead is that people's sexuality and self-esteem get twisted into resentment of the (usually opposite) gender; they start to see that gender as less than human, particularly if they are men and learn at every stage of their informal and formal education that women are just worth less, have always been less, are not as smart, not as good, not as humanly human as men. Aaronson goes on to comment that this “death-spiral” is a product of the times. I agree. “In a different social context — for example, that of my great-grandparents in the shtetl—I would have gotten married at an early age and been completely fine,” he writes. Scott, my great-grandparents also lived in a shtetl. I understand that you sometimes feel you might have been better adapted to that sort of life - when dating and marriage were organised to make things easy for clever young men. On the same Shtetl, however, I would have been married at a young age to a man who would have been the legal owner of my body, my property and the children I would have been expected to have; I would never have been allowed to be a scholar. I would have worked in the fields as well as the home to support my husband in his more cerebral pursuits, and with my small weedy nerdy frame, I would likely have died young from exhaustion or in childbirth.
There are a lot of young men out there - I suspect even now - who sometimes wish they'd been born when things were a bit easier, when the balance of male versus female sexual shame was tilted more sharply by the formal rituals of patriarchy, when men could just take or be assigned what they wanted, as long as they were also white and straight.
There are a lot of older men out there who long for that real or imagined world more openly, and without any of Aaronson's nuance and compassion. I would challenge men to analyse that longing, to see it for what it is. And then to resist it. You are smarter and better than that.
What can I say? This is a strange and difficult age, one of fast-paced change and misunderstandings. Nerd culture is changing, technology is changing, and our frameworks for gender and power are changing - for the better. And the backlash to that change is painful as good, smart people try to rationalise their own failure to be better, to be cleverer, to see the other side for the human beings they are. Finding out that you’re not the Rebel Alliance, you’re actually part of the Empire and have been all along, is painful. Believe me, I know. (Although I always saw myself as an Ewok). We bring our broken hearts and blue balls to the table when we talk gender politics, especially if we are straight folks. Consent and the boundaries of consent - desire and what we're allowed to speak of desire - we're going to have to get better, braver and more honest, we're going to have to undo decades of toxic socialisation and learn to speak to each other as human beings in double quick time.
And most of all, we're going to have to make like Princess Elsa and let it go - all that resentment. All that rage and entitlement and hurt. Socialisation makes that process harder still for men. The road ahead will be long. I believe in you. I believe in all of us. Nerds are brilliant. We are great at learning stuff. We can do anything we put our minds to, although I suspect this thing, this refusing to let the trauma of nerdolescence create more violence, this will be hardest of all.
And on that note I shall return to what I was doing before I read this post, which was drinking sweet tea and weeping about how boys don't seem to want to kiss short-haired lady nerds, and trying not to blame the whole world for my broken heart, which is becoming more complex and interesting in the healing but still stings like a boiling ball of papercuts. I'll let you know how that goes.
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        • Sam Barnett-Cormack 6 hours ago
          Excellent piece! I must admit I have trouble understanding that view, of one oppression (let's call it that for the sake of argument) negating privilege on another axis, but maybe being raised by an outspokenly feminist mother helped me see things differently. I must also admit that I have been an angry young nerd who felt slighted by being 'neglected' by girls/women who ignored 'nice guys' like me in preference for 'bad guys', and I'm grateful for the guidance for friendly feminists who helped me understand how problematic that attitude is.
          It's a persistently misunderstood element of the concept of privilege - being privileged in one area does not negate the disadvantage/oppression related to some other area, nor vice versa. I enjoy considerable privilege, and significant disadvantage, at the same time. It's not even like they can be balanced out - they operate in different ways, at different times, on different parts of life.
          The bullying I experienced, whatever the reason for it (I'm pretty sure my nerdiness was part of it - but not all) has left me scarred, and that contributes to disadvantage I suffer now, but I'm still benefiting from the advantage of being a white cis man and culturally middle class (among other characteristics). Someone in very similar situation, but black, or a woman, or trans, or culturally working class - they would be having more problems than I am, and will have had more troubles than I did back then as well.
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            • edtastic > Sam Barnett-Cormack an hour ago
              Privilege is what feminists have and use to malign men who they seek to control. It's a dominant position in the gender dialogue allowing them to spread a one sided narrative. These aren't women of the underclasses but those with education and status from the same privileged homes as men vying for opportunities the under privileged couldn't dream of. The are legions of feminists and organizations focused on women and girls is very much a reality of female privilege. Very little energy goes into men and boys and all these women's organizations directly benefit from fostering a negative bias against them.
              The disparities that result from this are most distinct among poor men and not the few in the upper classes who rise to power. It's almost a given that the proportion of men in prisons are roughly equal to those holding top jobs. It's called privilege on one side and toxic masculinity on the other. Men can't win against an ideology rooted promoting misandry to shame men into submission with misleading propaganda.
              Being a educated white cis male or female doesn't create a substantial gap in privilege. The major disparities form among other groups of people who get less attention because they aren't privileged enough to dominate the conversation in the media. There is no shortage of white women talking about white women. In fact I'd say there's a glut of them in the press.
              At least recognizing men's problems would go a long way towards mitigating the demagoguery of feminists using every dirty trick in the book to marginalize men's issues and hopefully bring identity politics back in line with reality.
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                Gary > Sam Barnett-Cormack 31 minutes ago
                This whole "privillage" idea is idotic, ignorant and flawed. It encours
                to judge people on face value rather than on actual experience. It is
                judgemental and encourages divisions. It also ignores the problems face
                by every group in society.
                Who are you judge me just on my outward appearnce?
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                  • Glenn Fleishman > Sam Barnett-Cormack 2 hours ago
                    Sam, I was going to comment, but yours states everything I would have, only better.
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                    • amusebarf 6 hours ago
                      It would be nice if the whole editorial board of the New Statesman understood that being privileged doesn't mean you've never suffered. They could even hire some more brown people.
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                        A frustrated teenage girl an hour ago
                        I feel like the tone here is sort of defensive, as though the author were saying "It's ok, nerdy white boys. I know your lives suck too, but at least you're *male*, so you don't have to worry about the extra horrors that come with being a woman." That's how I interpreted it, and to be honest, I feel like this kind of perspective is dangerous. If we start quantifying our pains and our struggles and comparing it to those of others, then we risk causing more harm than good in our efforts to fix the problems at hand. Life is tough, and what's a struggle for one person may not be that bad for another, and oftentimes our hardships can't be truly compared. Honestly, I'm getting really tired of hearing the endless debate regarding feminism and the struggles of women. I feel like these days, feminism is less of "let's talk about the issues at hand and fix problems so everyone is equal" and more of "let's point out every way in which the world has wronged us and hope that suddenly it'll click in the evil minds of men that we deserve more than equality".
                        Overall, though I agree with some of the points made in this post, I disagree with the whole perspective of "us vs. them" that seems to have become more common in debates on sexism and feminism. Sure, women face a lot of problems from society, but so do men. Sexism is a two way problem, and trying to prove that ("nerdy") teenage girls have it worse than guys doesn't help anything - and trust me, I should know what it's like because I happen to be a teenager and female. Life sucks, but if we work together to solve our mutual problems and treat everyone with more respect no matter their gender, then perhaps we can actually fix something.
                        What's my strategy as a teenage girl for dealing with this awful, cruel, oppressive world? I just keep on going. I refuse to let anyone tell me I can't grow up and be an astrophysicist, or that I can't lead a competitive gaming team because I'm female. I also encourage others, male and female, to do the same, to follow their dreams and to not let society tell them otherwise.
                        Sorry about the long post (that may or may not have turned into a bit of a rant). I'm just tired of seeing people argue instead of working together to fix things.
                        P.S. Contrary to popular belief, not all teenage boys are misogynistic, perverted, privileged scum. The ones I know are actually really nice, intelligent, and cool people to hang out with (*gasp*, what a concept!) I realized recently that the majority of my friends are guys, and we all get along perfectly well without any issues caused by gender. I hate it when people say guys have it easier, when I have seen some teenage guys have to deal with some pretty awful stuff (and they better not *dare* to complain, because they're so privileged...)
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                          • Sam Barnett-Cormack > A frustrated teenage girl an hour ago
                            It's not about it being worse, it's that they still have the disadvantages of being women, and the men still have the advantages of being men - that being nerdy is more-or-less orthogonal to the gender question.
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                                A frustrated teenage girl > Sam Barnett-Cormack 25 minutes ago
                                Disadvantages of being women? Oh ok, I never realized I was so terribly oppressed, thanks for pointing that out to me! Advantages of being men? You're right, my gay friend who is hated by his friends and nearly bullied into committing suicide is so privileged, how dare he complain about anything.
                                Sarcasm aside, I still think it's wrong to make the generalization that all women are disadvantaged and all men are privileged. Some of us are fortunate enough to live in an environment that accepts us for who we are, and others are stuck in situations that seriously hurt them - and this has nothing to do with gender. Nobody can help whether they're born male or female, with light or dark skin, in this country or another. We can only define who we are by our outlook on the world and the actions we take to make things better for ourselves and others. I think society is changing, and my generation is probably going to care less about the differences in gender and more about our collective place in the world. Sure, I'm lacking in life experience, but that doesn't mean I'm blind to how things are, and how the world is changing.
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                                  • forthetruth > Sam Barnett-Cormack 25 minutes ago
                                    And women have advantage of being a women, which is have sex pretty much any time they want, while the same isn't true at all to nerdy boys.
                                    It's not patriarchy either that is preventing these boys from getting laid.
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                                    • iancummings > A frustrated teenage girl an hour ago
                                      Huge upvote for a positive outlook!
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                                    • Mig1981 4 hours ago
                                      "Men, particularly nerdy men, are socialised to blame women - usually their peers and/or the women they find sexually desirable for the trauma and shame they experienced growing up."
                                      Says Laurie Penny while at the same time blaming the guys who didn't want to date her for the trauma and shame she experienced growing up
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                                      • accidento bizarro 6 hours ago
                                        "Finding out that you’re not the Rebel Alliance, you're actually part of the Empire and have been all along, is painful." I love that.
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                                            AJ 5 hours ago
                                            Just because you belong to a group which is on an average advantaged says nothing about an individual but the idea that boys are advantaged is against all o fthe evidence.
                                            Girls do better than boys at school, more girls go to university, nore young men are unemployed than girls and young women earn mor ethan young men and the disparity is increasing. This is against a background of far more female than male teachers, endless campaigns to encourage girls in education paticularily in STEM subjects (the ONLY are where boys out perform girls) but none to speak off to encourage boys.
                                            The idea therefore that teenage boys are by merit of their sex are priviliged with respect to girls is not just a fantasy but one which flys in the face of all of the evidence.
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                                              • Casey Snow > AJ 3 hours ago
                                                They are privileged because they are doing better in life despite the fact that more women attend university.
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                                                  • Des Demona > Casey Snow 3 hours ago
                                                    ''They are privileged because they are doing better in life despite the fact that more women attend university.''
                                                    The poster you reply to also said
                                                    ''nore young men are unemployed than girls and young women earn more than young men and the disparity is increasing.''
                                                    Which are facts. So how are they doing better?
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                                                      • Casey Snow > Des Demona 2 hours ago
                                                        The jobs that men have are much better. They are higher paid, and they are also in positions with more authority that allow them to decide who gets hired and/or promoted.
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                                                            AJ > Casey Snow 2 hours ago
                                                            Is there any evidence for this except a desire to support the women victims, male priviliged dogma?
                                                            It is easy to add oter areas where boys are significantly disadvantaged. Boys are more likely to be victims of violence than girls and if they fall foul of the law then boys spend far longer in prison if they are convicted as girls for the same offence.
                                                            I really find the violence aganst women and girsl campaigns quite disturbing. Men and boys suffer more violence than women and girls yet neither are addressed at all which I find incredible in teh case of boys. Antimen sentiment is so ubiquitous I understand that men are considered worthless and of no concern but that boys are ignored despite being victims far more often than girls is an astonishing example of how wide and deep public misandry runs.
                                                            Boys and girls cna be discriminate dagainst n all sorts of grounds, life can hard and there ar eplenty of injsutices that apply to both but the narrative of male privilige which denies any discrimination or disadvanatge to men paticularily white men is a big problem.
                                                            It is the reason the biggest most obvious educational problem is not being addressed and It leads to grotesquely low levels of support for male victims of domestic violence which will almost certainly mean more violence in suceeding generations as boys abused by women (statistically largest group of abusers) are simply not supported and have an increased risk of later abusing.
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                                                            • Des Demona > Casey Snow 14 minutes ago
                                                              How does your unsupported contention that 'men have better jobs' square with the evidence that up until mid thirties women are better paid than men? They have worse jobs but are better paid?
                                                              There are two very good reasons why the pay disparity disappears after mid - thirties
                                                              1, Many women leave careers to have children - and are supported by their working partner.
                                                              2. As the greater number of female graduates filters through then more women will be in high positions because more will be in the workplace and choose to keep on with their career.
                                                              There is a 3rd reason which won't be popular, but it is that some women have more sense than to slave at a high pressure job all their lives when they have a partner who can provide for their needs.
                                                              None of which is anything to do with male ''privalige''
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                                                          • Adele Quested > AJ an hour ago
                                                            One reason why boys tend to do worse at school is because they feel they don't have to work as hard (academically; good grades have been been systematically devalued in the public discourse since girls regularly get them as well; which has happened to any single discipline where women managed to gain a foothold; the moment any type of accomplishment is also open to women it gets valued less and boys just don't see enough incentives to bother any more.)
                                                            It's possible that this is not entirely true any longer, but it has been true long enough that the mindset has become part of conventional toxic masculinity. Indeed there used to be a lot of typically male dominated professions that paid decently and didn't require a college degree and were very hard for women to get into. Boys felt less pressure to succeed at school because they knew that had more attractive other options. These options are indeed slowly going away, but that's hardly the fault of feminism.
                                                            TLDR: Boys' worse grade point averages are a symptom of privilege backfiring, not of a lack of it.
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                                                              • edtastic > Adele Quested 39 minutes ago
                                                                That sounds like a ridiculous theory and it's more of usual the self serving narcissism that dominates feminists social theories. How about male GPA's sliding because we haven't been trying to support them? What a world a difference we could make if we weren't relying on gender theories that are hostile to men.
                                                                Systematically devaluing males and their issues is what feminist has done for decades and it's time they stop. The talk of 'toxic masculinity' is about shaming men to control them. Men have had enough of feminists gender policing. Male liberation isn't submission to misandry.
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                                                            • Aeian T'goni 4 hours ago
                                                              Thanks for this. You're far more optimistic than I am. I've given up on trying to reason with people who think "I was a nerd" is an excuse not to treat me like a human being because I am a woman.
                                                              I had a similar experience growing up. I have never met someone more socially anxious than myself. I was a cripplingly shy, fat girl who was routinely rejected from social and intellectual pursuits by young men who couldn't fathom that anyone else in the world had problems. And yet, as an adult, I still manage to treat men, often those same men who refuse to see me as human, with respect and patience. It is getting exhausting.
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                                                                • maxomai > Aeian T'goni an hour ago
                                                                  I think part of the problem with "I'm a white man but I was a nerd therefore I can't be the oppressor" is that nerds tend think they're too smart, too educated, or too accomplished to be bigots, or at least to not see the complete picture. It's illogical thinking on their parts, but the reasons why it's illogical are subtle. The only solution is to listen.
                                                                  (NB: I've been in Arronson's shoes, almost exactly.)
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                                                                    • edtastic > maxomai an hour ago
                                                                      How about the white women who acts as the oppressor? What about when she constructs a narrative on gender that marginalizes male victims so she can privilege her own sex? We seem to think males have some great gender power but they aren't backed by a powerful ideology favoring men's issues. Instead people are finding new ways so shame and bully men with 'nice guys' being the latest target of scorn. We really should be examining the dialogue on the sexes when men even assuming they're good people is considered misogyny.
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                                                                        • Sam Barnett-Cormack > maxomai an hour ago
                                                                          Absolutely. This belief that we are enlightened and can't possibly be a bigot is in a feeback loop with "nice guy" syndrome as well. It can take something very shocking to shake us out of it.
                                                                          (Speaking also as someone who's been there)
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                                                                        • Wiley Lukarske 3 hours ago
                                                                          Depending on perspective, the core conceit of this article is either wrong (gender trumps life experience in determining "privilege") or true, but useless ("privilege" is entirely a function of demographics and doesn't actually connote advantage.)
                                                                          Real privilege is entirely a function of money and power, both of which the privileged spend lavishly to obscure the real problem.
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                                                                          • Mig1981 4 hours ago
                                                                            Sadly almost all the points she makes conflict with empirical evidence. The article is also full of contradictions like when she writes of her experience as a shy nerdy girl who couldn't get laid but also adds that there were many boys who were happy to have sex with her. That means you could get laid didn't it? Maybe you couldn't get a boyfriend but you obviously had no problem getting laid.
                                                                            Feminists are very capable of seeing men as inhuman objects not worthy of empathy, in fact they show it everyday. The popularity of the meme "I bathe in male tears" is just one example. The quote "women are the primary victims of war because they lose their fathers, husbands and sons" is another prime example of seeing men as objects meant to serve women.
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