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Rebecca Watson leaves SGU (skepchick.org)

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[–]loogawa 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (116子コメント)

I'll be sad to see her leave. I know she received a lot of hate but I thought she was often a better skeptic than Jay or Evan.

Lately I've found myself less interested in SGU. It's sad because it was my entrance into both the world orb skepticism, as well as podcasts. Both of which are a big part of my life now. However they just focus on news now, and I know more about current events than I used to.

I really wish they would spend more time k conspiracy theories, which is what I'm more interested in. Or maybe spend time going over debunking things that aren't necessarily in the news.

Anyone who really believes that she came off badly with that whole stupid "elevatorgate" thing is either grossly misinformed, or an asshole.

[–]TitoTheMidget 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I really wish they would spend more time k conspiracy theories, which is what I'm more interested in. Or maybe spend time going over debunking things that aren't necessarily in the news.

I do too, but they also covered quite a lot of those in the early episodes. There are only so many batty conspiracy theories - after a while you just kind of run out of steam and start talking about stuff to be skeptical about in the news.

[–]firex726 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That was my thinking too, short of going for the incredibly obscure and minor conspiracies you'd run out of material after a few years.

[–]Kupy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's why Skeptoid has lost my interests. Seems like he's covered all the good stuff.

[–]spoleto 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (56子コメント)

I read the facebook comments and people are pretty pissed off. What did she do? I've always been a big fan, but only ever listened to her on SGU.

[–]toolverine 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Check out the whole Atheism + stuff that came after. Rebecca got into it with Richard Dawkins at some point and there was a lot of circling of wagons by various skeptical blogs.

[–]loogawa 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (44子コメント)

this

[–]spoleto 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (41子コメント)

That's IT!?? People seem so offended. People on FB are saying she's a terrible skeptic and a shit person etc etc.

[–]screwgregg 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thats not "it", its a dead horse that has been repeatedly beaten. Atheism+ has the "If you are not with us, you are against us" vibe going strong.

Disagree with any point and the ad hominem starts rolling in. You're a rape apologist. You are a misogynist. You can't even see because of your privilege, you heterocismaleshitlord!

She blogs shit like this: http://skepchick.org/2011/12/reddit-makes-me-hate-atheists/ and I'm not sure how anyone can take such hyperbole seriously.

She and others like her have worked hard at melding in /r/ShitRedditSays/ to skepticism / atheism. Oh, and RW thinks "r/shitredditsays makes Reddit worthwhile".

The worst part is I don't even object to some of the shit SRS points out. Their lack of ability to actually discuss an issue is sickening. Its so anti-intellectual, childish, and exaggerated that it invokes Poes Law.

[–]st_gulik 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The funny thing is that /SRS started as a joke by a group of Something Awful forum users to fuck with reddit users on reddit and then it was taken over by True Believers....

[–]TheAbominableDavid 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Atheism+" does seem to be shorthand for "Atheism, plus a lot of bullshit."

[–]GoogleOgvorbis 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (27子コメント)

You forget about her multiple doxings and literally saying that men who don't want to talk about feminism are worse than rape threats.

[–]spoleto 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (26子コメント)

I didn't forget about anything. If you would like to leave a link so I can better informed, feel free.

[–]vibrunazo 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (6子コメント)

This is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8YSwB8AvWs

She says that she is less bothered by the rape threat she gets from all the haters, than she is bothered by people who pretend women aren't oppressed. Sounds like a fair opinion to have, right?

Except the haters took only the sentence "you are worse than rape threats" only from that video, taking it out of context to tell everyone that "Rebecca said skeptics are worse than rape!!!". Well, the video is up there, watch it yourself and take your own conclusion about what she said and meant. (edit: note the other guy pointing to the video while linking directly to that quote, on purpose to leave out the context in hope you don't notice it.. what does that tells you?)

As you can obviously tell from this thread. She's a women who is outspoken about threats that she and other women gets from some man. Turns out a lot of people hate her for it and will say everything she does is terrible regardless of merit.

[–]loogawa 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And I love how these people call themselves skeptics. Hell half of them just read the title in some /r/mensrights post, and didn't want can fact check the five minute video to see how it was being misconstrued. Or check their own biases.

Same with Elevatorgate, or all the other things.

[–]two_in_the_bush 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've noticed this on both sides. Very few people are doing their own examination, just hearing the spin put on by one side or the other.

Wish more people would take the time to check it out on their own.

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              [–]Clumpy 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              With the way that the Right handles the "culture war" they've made up and are determined to perpetuate, mentioning something like racism/sexism in any context is grounds for immediate personal dismissal and summary un-personing. It can't be abided.

              [–]llezo 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              It goes both way. Sadly.

              [–]Clumpy 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Sure, people go too far sometimes. But it's not nearly as prevalent as people often like to portray it, and many social discussions are deliberately framed as something sinister by reactionary movements, who stand to gain from portraying boilerplate social theory as something extreme and dismissing these discussions entirely.

              [–]two_in_the_bush 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Here's the video:

              http://youtu.be/uKHwduG1Frk?t=4m30s

              [–]Fairchild660 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              RationalWiki is very biased on everything involving politics and social issues. Many pages about those issues read like a left-wing Conservapedia.

              [–]loogawa 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Well what did it say that happened that you disagree with?

              [–]jayme0227 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (8子コメント)

              I felt like she occasionally let herself be a little too non-skeptical regarding left-leaning issues (I'm specifically thinking of GMO's, but I recall feeling the same on other issues). Even so, she was a positive contributor to the show, and provided a strong female voice, of which the skeptic community has relatively few. She'll be missed on the show. Best of luck to her in the future.

              [–]nacmar 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

              Just curious, was she anti GMO in some fashion? I never noticed.

              [–]an7agonist 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

              IIRC she's not anti GMO, but against some of the corporations behind them, like monsanto.

              [–]jayme0227 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Yeah, in multiple occasions she brought up "all the times that Monsanto sued people" without actually knowing what she was talking about. Steve corrected her at least once, though, and she responded positively, which is all that I can ask really. We all have many topics that we know too little about, and many others that we are just plain misinformed about. The key to being a good skeptic is recognizing when the evidence is contrary to our beliefs and changing our beliefs accordingly and she did just that.

              [–]loogawa 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I used to think that about Monsanto too, until I learned better. No one is perfect and some things sneak in through common knowledge type stuff

              [–]nacmar 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Ah, thanks.

              [–]loogawa 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Sometimes I would definitely agree. But I found Jay too be the worst for that sort of thing, being the least skeptical of sort of life-prolonging future stuff

              [–]Hctii 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              He does seem that way, but always appeared less entrenched in positions like that. I think he's rather idealistic and sometimes it leads him astray, but he never seems reluctant to be shown facts.

              [–]loogawa 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I agree with that assessment

              [–]vibrunazo 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Yup. I've been listening to the SGU much less often as well. When I first found out about it, I would binge on episodes one after the other. Now that I've gone through all of them, I only listen once a week. :P

              [–]Zalbuu 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (36子コメント)

              Anyone who really believes that she came off badly with that whole stupid "elevatorgate" thing is either grossly misinformed, or an asshole.

              The irony of this statement is staggering.

              [–]screwgregg 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Having read through this series of responses, I'd like to point out that its a great example of the SRS / A+ style of response. Start of with saying you're ignorant if you're wrong, then move to the insults. Don't actually discuss anything specific though!

              Of course there are snide remarks about GoogleOgVorbis implying MRA ties because MRA is a hate group right!

              [–]ramblingnonsense 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

              I really wish they would spend more time k conspiracy theories, which is what I'm more interested in. Or maybe spend time going over debunking things that aren't necessarily in the news.

              Try Skeptoid. Brian Dunning has not exactly covered himself with glory but the resource he created is extremely valuable. Most of the episodes focus on a conspiracy theory, quack medicine or urban legend. Great stuff, if you can stand his stuffy delivery and the occasional painfully bad novelty episode.

              [–]loogawa 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

              I liked the subject matter. But I didn't like the delivery, or him for that matter.

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                    [–]Corsaer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I actually loved the skeptical musical episode about the grandfather who spent all his money on a blindfold because it would make all his problems disappear, and his daughter went on a quest to get him a refund.