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NYPD Shooting: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: This Is Tragedy, Not Politics (time.com)

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[–]virak_john[S] 124 ポイント125 ポイント  (29子コメント)

Submission Statement

< "In a Dec. 21, 2014 article about the shooting, the Los Angeles Times referred to the New York City protests as “anti-police marches,” which is grossly inaccurate and illustrates the problem of perception the protestors are battling. The marches are meant to raise awareness of double standards, lack of adequate police candidate screening, and insufficient training that have resulted in unnecessary killings. Police are not under attack, institutionalized racism is. Trying to remove sexually abusive priests is not an attack on Catholicism, nor is removing ineffective teachers an attack on education. Bad apples, bad training, and bad officials who blindly protect them, are the enemy. And any institution worth saving should want to eliminate them, too.">

[–]ObiWanBonogi -19 ポイント-18 ポイント  (28子コメント)

It's laughable that he thinks it is "grossly inaccurate" or a problem of perception to call them anti-police marches when at one point the NYC protestors were literally marching down the street chanting "what do we want, dead cops, when do we want it, now"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj4ARsxrZh8

[–]Gazbot 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (27子コメント)

How small are the protests if all 15 of the people in that video can represent 'the protesters'.

[–]ObiWanBonogi -13 ポイント-12 ポイント  (26子コメント)

If you needed more examples of explicitly anti-police rhetoric from protestors you wouldn't have to look far...

Fact is there is a strand of anti-police sentiment within the protest movement and stating that isn't "grossly inaccurate."

[–]Gazbot 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (25子コメント)

Right.

Not far, but further than you were willing to look when you tried to substantiate your claim?

See i didn't need the examples, you did. You were the one trying to substantiate a claim, and you failed to do that.

You 'supported' your argument with a 2 minute video of <50 people and called it 'the protesters'.

In reality those protests had thousands of people, your sample is a fraction of a percent.

I mean come on, you're not an idiot and you can't really believe the people you're talking to are this stupid.

The threshold for determining what a group is 'supporting' is larger than the sub 1% that you're pretending it is.

Cut the bullshit.

[–]ObiWanBonogi -12 ポイント-11 ポイント  (24子コメント)

One of the main chants of protestors since day one has been "fuck the police"

How can you deny that the protests, are at least in part, anti-police?

[–]Gazbot 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (23子コメント)

OK. That's yet another claim but it isn't evidence supporting your initial one.

As it stands, all you have is a video of less than 50 people that are clearly separate from the main protest group, that you're trying to pretend is adequate to represent 'the protesters'.

Cut the bullshit. Substantiate your claim.

It shouldn't be this difficult. You made the claim, all i'm asking you do to is prove it.

And just to preempt this bullshit attempt of yours to sidestep past the issue, This isn't a debate. I haven't 'denied' anything.

All i did was ask for you to support your position.

You haven't done that. Not sure why.

[–]ObiWanBonogi -6 ポイント-5 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Prove what? That there are chants of fuck the police during protests? Seriously? If you haven't heard a chant of fuck the police you haven't been paying much attention and you certainly haven't been out there marching.

A quick search: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MSlUApfDBU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xkxvJox-3g http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2014/08/post_50.php https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34_PszY5NYs&feature=player_detailpage#t=120

Fuck the police even has its own trending hashtag on twitter, #ftp https://twitter.com/search?q=%23ftp&src=typd

Bonus video of a black officer being verbally assaulted in a heartbreaking manner https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLlSn66YAuM

Calling these protests anti police is not grossly inaccurate.

[–]Gazbot 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (21子コメント)

This is pathetic.

Prove what? That there are chants of fuck the police during protests?

No asshole. Your claim. Don't pretend like you don't know what it is just because you can't prove it and don't move the goal posts as if everyone isn't painfully aware of the first fucking thing you said and what i called out.

This is an internet forum, everyone including yourself, can simply scroll up and read what your first claim was.

Jesus christ.

[–]Rentun 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

He's provided 6 pieces of fairly convincing evidence now. I'm not sure what else you'd really be looking for. For anyone paying attention, the protests have been fairly anti-police.

[–]bebemaster 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't find his original rebuttal of op's claim that "calling the protests anti-police is grossly inacurate", complete with sources of protests related to anti police sentiment, at all off the mark. Calling Macy's Day parade anti-police would be grossly inacurate. Anti-police may not be the central topic but it clearly is a topic in some few protests and a related topic in others; it isn't grossly inacurate to call them such (doesnt mean it's correct either).

edit: grammer

[–]ObiWanBonogi 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (12子コメント)

My first claim wasn't true? My first claim was was that there were chants of "what do we want, dead cops" and then you saw a video of such chant. To which you called it out for only being 15 people(which shows how terrible you are at counting) but that doesn't mean it didn't happen or is in any way untrue.