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[–]sammygm 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (28子コメント)

They really should have ended with Tenzin and Korra or the whole Team Avatar going through the portal. It just felt that Bryke caved in and went what the vocal minority wanted.

[–]iDannyEL 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well majority at this point it would seem.

[–]NomadicCupcake 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (25子コメント)

Why is it so crazy for Bryke have wanted this himself?

He has always made a big deal about wanting diversity in the Avatar series.

[–]0batterylife 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Sacrificing good writing for diversity is not good writing.

[–]JRutterbush 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Who sacrificed good writing? It's not like they dove face-first into each others' crotches at the end or something. What we saw is a very close friendship that looks to be budding into something more. Why is that somehow bad writing?

[–]0batterylife 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, and I was okay with how the scene was depicted and with Korrasami as a pairing. What I have a problem with is the storytelling portion: the build-up, the development of that relationship, and how other characters (who had their own character arcs going on) were neglected for the sake of that pairing.

Hell I'd have preferred them to shorten Wu's scenes or something just so we could've had the writing tell Korra's story more. Her relationships with her loved ones, not just with Asami (which in my opinion was poorly developed as a potential romance--their relationship could literally be mirrored by any platonic, close female friendship). Mako and Bolin get the short end of the stick of course. Her parents? Naaaah. Katara? Hah, that's a funny joke.

People chuck it all up to LOK not having enough time or budget for the amount of characters it has, but good writing can masterfully craft stories and generate genuine, resolved relationships and character arcs in very few episodes (recent animated series Over the Garden Wall comes to mind). LOK sadly did not have that.

[–]and they also had pretty good senses of humordzendian 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (17子コメント)

My GF asked Bryke (during a book signing) right after Book 1 was done airing and they said they had absolutely no plans for a relationship for Korra for the rest of the series.

edit: Ugh. This was when Book 2 was in production.

edit 2: fine, down vote me all you want. I'm bringing real life evidence into this, you're putting your head in the sand and defining confirmation bias.

[–]NomadicCupcake 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

That's because book 1 was meant as a miniseries. They didn't have any plans for after book 1.

[–]and they also had pretty good senses of humordzendian 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Ugh. This was when Book 2 was in production.

[–]NomadicCupcake 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Do you think they planned the season 4 finale when. Book two was in production?

They didn't. Just because they didn't have plans, dosent mean they didn't change their mind.

You pretty much ruined your own point.

[–]and they also had pretty good senses of humordzendian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It was my understanding that Nick ordered 3 more books of Korra after Book 1 was done airing due to the popularity.

If they didn't start thinking that far ahead, then I don't think we're dealing with the same, or as good of a writing staff as TLA.

I didn't ruin my own point.

Edit: more info:

"The Legend of Korra was co-created and produced by Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko at Nickelodeon Animation Studios in Burbank, California. To illustrate the length of the production process (about 10 to 12 months per episode[24]) and the overlap of the various phases, Konietzko wrote in July 2013 that their team was already developing the storyboards for the first episode of Book 4 while the last episodes of Book 2 were not yet finished."

[–]AnOnlineHandle 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They ordered book 3 & 4 when they were making book 2.

[–]NomadicCupcake -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

They would not have book 3 and 4 set in stone while book two was in production

[–]sammygm 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Did you not just read what dzendian said?

[–]NomadicCupcake 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He edited his post. Hence the "Edit".

Anyway I mentiond this before and I will say it again. Romance is a spoiler and they wouldnt tell us who would end up with who.

[–]JRutterbush -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

This morning, I had absolutely no plans to eat chicken for dinner this evening, but over the course of the day I changed my mind. That was only one day... it was a lot longer between the production of book two and the finale of book four.

[–]and they also had pretty good senses of humordzendian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Wow, ok.

So, I bring you a true story from the creators of this show, that they told an entire packed book store at The Grove, and you're telling me that they can change their minds. I get it, so basically they just told the bookstore: "fuck you all, LOL" ?

Doesn't sound like something you'd tell a book store full of fans and kids. Why would they lie about that? A little girl asked the question.

[–]JRutterbush 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I get it, so basically they just told the bookstore: "fuck you all, LOL" ?

Why would they lie about that?

What lie? My entire point was that sometimes people change their minds. Sometimes stories evolve as you're writing them. When they said they had no plans for another relationship, they were almost certainly telling the truth at the time. That doesn't mean that they couldn't have changed their minds later on as the story developed.

You can't expect the plans for a story that were created in book two to remain exactly the same over the entire course of three full books. Plans change, characters evolve, sometimes in directions you didn't expect them to. It happens, anybody who writes knows that it happens. It's not at all uncommon.

Just because your plans change later doesn't mean you were lying about what they were at the beginning.

[–]and they also had pretty good senses of humordzendian 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What lie? My entire point was that sometimes people change their minds. Sometimes stories evolve as you're writing them. When they said they had no plans for another relationship, they were almost certainly telling the truth at the time. That doesn't mean that they couldn't have changed their minds later on as the story developed.

I get that, but I would think two writers of a hugely successful universe would think a little less from the hip and strategize more and not change their minds on a whim, especially after being VERY firm about telling a packed bookstore full of people this information.

You can't expect the plans for a story that were created in book two to remain exactly the same over the entire course of three full books. Plans change, characters evolve, sometimes in directions you didn't expect them to. It happens, anybody who writes knows that it happens. It's not at all uncommon.

Understood. I'm presenting evidence, literally from the horse's mouth, and you're disputing it though.

We have the words of Mike and Bryan saying they had no intentions of a love-life for Korra, the last scene was with her an Asami going into the spirit world, no kiss, nothing that couldn't be construed as "friends only" and you're telling me that this is proof that they changed their minds?

I have proof. You have none other than conjecture based on "what I would do."

[–]JRutterbush 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

...and not change their minds on a whim...

Years passed between book two and book four. Why are you assuming they changed their minds "on a whim"?

I'm presenting evidence, literally from the horse's mouth, and you're disputing it though.

I'm not disputing anything. You are presenting evidence about what they planned to do during book two, all I'm saying is that it's entirely possible that their plans changed at some point between then and now. Those two assertions are not contradictory at all.

I have proof. You have none other than conjecture based on "what I would do."

I'd say that final scene is pretty compelling evidence that they did, in fact, change their mind at some point.

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    [–]JRutterbush 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Much as I like having people agree with me, there's really no call for that kind of tone. We're all a big happy family here, right? You can disagree with someone without being snide or insulting them.

    [–]Mr_Thunders 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yea sorry about that getting annoyed at both sides at the moment D:

    [–]JRutterbush 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No problem... I understand, I've been there myself. I try to remain civil no matter who I'm talking to or what I'm talking about, but I don't always succeed... especially since I tend to fall right into the middle ground of most issues I end up discussing.

    [–]AnOnlineHandle 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It just felt that Bryke caved in and went what the vocal minority wanted.

    Before book 2 even started airing, the actors were discussing scenes from book 3 & 4 (Asami turning up with an airship, Grey Deslisle's character, etc). The Korra and Asami thing was built up in nearly every one of their interactions from the first episode of book 3, when they suddenly started becoming strangely good friends after almost never speaking to each other.

    Most of it was almost certainly recorded way before we even saw Korra break up with Mako. The fandom over the idea grew because it was told in the show, the show didn't tell it because the fandom was growing.