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The great campus rape hoax (usatoday.com)

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[–]Maslo59[S] -13 ポイント-12 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Submission statement:

The truth is that there's no epidemic outbreak of college rape, like some leftist media would want you to believe. That 1-in-5 college rape number you keep hearing in the press? It's thoroughly bogus. The actual number is at 6.1 per 1,000 - lower than for non-students (7.6 per 1,000). What's more, between 1997 and 2013, rape against women dropped by about 50%. So why is this non-crisis getting so much press lately?

[–]SomePeopleThinkImOK 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Did you read your own source? It in no way says that the stat is "thoroughly bogus", just that critics say it is. It points out that the study was flawed and that it is difficult to get a true picture the problem due to reporting issues, not that there isn't a problem with rape on campus. They also cannot differentiate between attempted and completed assault. Finally, that stat refers to "sexual assault" not just rape.

And to answer your question, the issue is getting press because a lot of rapes are becoming public. More women are speaking out against their attackers and more importantly, people are listening.

The real question is why you would be against people trying to reduce the amount of women who get assaulted? Who cares if some people use it for political gain? Their politicians... they do everything for political gain. At least they are taking a break from sending people off to war or reducing civil liberties to do something that is positive.

When politicians cracked down on smoking they did it for political gain, but it was still a positive thing.

[–]Maslo59[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (16子コメント)

The real question is why you would be against people trying to reduce the amount of women who get assaulted?

When it threatens the "innocent until proven guilty" principle, you bet I am against it. Better let 100 guilty go than punish one innocent person. When university kangaroo courts are allowed and encourged to use 51% standard for punishing the accused, rape hysteria threatens the innocent.

It in no way says that the stat is "thoroughly bogus", just that critics say it is. It points out that the study was flawed and that it is difficult to get a true picture the problem due to reporting issues, not that there isn't a problem with rape on campus.

The alarmist study is flawed, and true numbers are provided - 6.1 per 1,000, which are lower than for non-students. There is indeed no big problem with rape on campus.

[–]unkorrupted -6 ポイント-5 ポイント  (15子コメント)

When it threatens the "innocent until proven guilty" principle

Jesus Christ, where do you people get your talking points? This is absurdity of the highest level, because sexual assault is one of the hardest crimes to prosecute. Even the sources you're submitting (which don't support your claims) admit that the vast majority go unreported, and then the vast majority of reported cases do not end up in prosecution.

How is that "guilty until proven innocent?" Really, I want to know, because angry conservatives keep saying that exact same line everywhere I look, yet it seems utterly disconnected from reality.

I'm really getting fed up with the insanity that comes leaking out of the far-right echo chambers.

[–]Maslo59[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (14子コメント)

This is absurdity of the highest level, because sexual assault is one of the hardest crimes to prosecute. Even the sources you're submitting (which don't support your claims) admit that the vast majority go unreported, and then the vast majority of reported cases do not end up in prosecution.

This does not contradict my claims. Its possible for the above to be true AND people pushing for lower standards of proof at the same time. Thats precisely whats happening. Some insane people think the low prosecution rate of rape is a problem, and not simply an inevitable thing due to the hard to prove nature of the crime. This leads them to attack due process.

How is that "guilty until proven innocent?"

The College Rape Overcorrection

When I am talking about threatening the innocent until proven guilty principle, I am talking about this. University kangaroo courts.

[–]unkorrupted -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Is it possible for you to just accept that there are some problems in the world that need fixing, even if they don't primarily effect straight white protestant men? Or do you feel a very strong need to shut down any social efforts that don't directly benefit your demographic?

I'm really just trying to understand how such backwards-thinking became so popular in the far-right echo chambers.

[–]Maslo59[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Or do you feel a very strong need to shut down any social efforts that don't directly benefit your demographic?

No. I feel a very strong need to shut down any social efforts that directly harm my demographic (and other demographics even more, like black men). Low prosecution rate of rape does not need fixing if the fix attacks the innocent until proven guilty principle. Find some other way.

[–]unkorrupted -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Seems like we can't even have a discussion about it without the manchildren crying and throwing a fit.

[–]sjwprincess 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Seems like we can't even have a discussion about it without the manchildren crying and throwing a fit.

You're disgusting.

[–]unkorrupted 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Disgusted*

[–]huyvanbin -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is there a female equivalent to "manchildren"? Is it just "women"?