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[–]zenmon 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (16子コメント)

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You guys know how things like this make conservatives look like, right?

[–]BigAk 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (12子コメント)

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Explain how this makes us look and why.

[–]cited 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (10子コメント)

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I'll bite - I just saw this on r/all and thought I'd take a look.

It makes you look like the only part of this case that you cared about was race. Conservatives, like Coulter, say they want a color-blind society - and that makes sense. I think we should all, liberal and conservative, should aim for that. You're just caring about the end result, which is a totally understandable view. However - the sidebar quote that you have that says we should be looking for a color-blind society is shown to be wrong. It shows that conservatives, or at least the ones who made this your top post, do care about race. It says "What's one more dead black guy, they do it to each other all of the time."

The focus on race in the shooting is incomprehensible to me. It's not about race - it's about a guy who put himself in a situation where he initiated contact with someone who wasn't committing a crime, and it resulted in that young man's death, and the state says that is permissible. That situation shouldn't be permitted. I think the jurors made the correct decision for the laws that are in place, but I think the manslaughter laws should have covered this - it was Zimmerman's negligence that allowed this to happen and that deserves some punishment. Martin probably was attacking him, but Zimmerman shouldn't have gotten to that position in the first place.

[–]BigAk 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (9子コメント)

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I'm not sure you're understanding the picture...what I think it is saying is that a black life is only worth something when it is taken by someone who is not black. The two gentlemen depicted capitalize on tragedies like this and use them to scream racism...even though the court (prosecution included) admitted that this case was not racially motivated. The black community doesn't care about black on black violence. At least where I'm from ( and I'm sure it can't be much different in more urban environments) black on black violence is encouraged. It's not the case that ol' whitey doesn't want to investigate a crime, the black community just doesn't care and don't act to change anything. But the moment some other race kills a person who is black, international hell breaks loose. It's a sickening double standard. It's not "ehhh who cares if one more black kid got killed," it's "don't dwell on this one instance just because someone who looks white committed the act. This happens all the time and there is a much larger problem at hand that the black community doesn't seem to think is a problem or just doesn't care enough about to work towards fixing."

[–]cited -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

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I understand, if not necessarily agree with what you are saying. I, however, am seeing much more reddit-wide complaint about the racial part of this death than the self-defense one. Looking at Reuters, I see articles about a juror complaining about the self-defense laws, and the US section has "Overhaul of 'Stand Your Ground' Law Urged". I think that is where the mainstream complaint lies. I have a pretty wide circle of friends, and not one of them thinks that this was racially motivated.

Using those two men is not indicative of the liberal community, any more than LaPierre or Coulter are necessarily indicative of the conservative point of view.

[–]kks1236Natural Rights Conservative 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Stand Your Ground was never invoked...

[–]BigAk -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

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Most everyone I know is screaming racism left and right, celebrities are doing the same. It is being encouraged by the media and personalities like Al and Jesse, and now this has turned into an international brouhaha on racism even though it has absolutely nothing, at all, to do with race. It really all comes down to who attacked first. From the evidence presented, Zimmerman originally was following him, was told not to pursue, and after that he turned to go back to his car. This has been upheld by the audio transcripts of the 911 call. He was then attacked by Trayvon, again according to the testimonies. At that point, it is completely within Florida law to protect yourself using deadly force. It's a clear-cut case of self-defense in my opinion, because Zimmerman did not initiate the fight. Following a suspicious person is not instigation for assault, according to the law. Martin, in my opinion, was in the wrong. Zimmerman was doing his job.

And everyone can piss and moan about florida's stand your ground laws, but when you're in a life or death situation, you will be glad they are in place.

[–]cited 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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The liberal problem with stand your ground laws is not that it protects you in a life or death situation, it's that it makes a life or death situation out of something that didn't need to be one in the first place.

Oddly enough, I was actually in this kind of situation in college once. i know this will sound ridiculous and probably made up, but this is really what happened. Some guys had broken into my house and hit one of the guys in our house who went to confront them. Myself and a few others confronted them outside our house. They started to leave as I found out what they'd done and I called the police (actually the campus police at first, which delayed the response) and started following them with another guy who saw the fight. We'd gone down the entire block before one of them, who saw me on the phone, turned around and started running at us. The other guy took off running, and I had the dumbass idea of raising my fist while still on the phone. It wasn't until the guy was about five feet from me that I realized he had a knife in his hand. He turned around and both of them took off and we lost them.

Now, had I been smart, I would have turned and ran too - I found out later they were just a couple of dumbass punks who, of all things, took some bread from our kitchen. I panicked and didn't think to do that. If I had a gun, I probably would have shot the kid. And herein lies the point - I'm not the long arm of the law. I shouldn't be in a situation where ending someone's life for such a stupid reason would happen. We live in a civilized society and we should be pushing for better police and people making the right decisions. Would the world be better off without that kid? Probably. But we don't live in the Congo, or in a gang, and we don't distribute justice on our own with guns.

Edit: If celebrities and the worse news channels are making it about race, ignore them. Only by making it clear we're not dumb enough to listen to that crap is the only way it will go away.

[–]mossdale -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Conservatives are so worried about white people being accused of racism they look for anything to dismiss the accusation, including this flawed analogy.

[–]logicalthinker1Libertarian Conservative 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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I love how it makes us look. That we aren't manipulated like sheep by the media into a narrative that is not even in the same ballpark as fact. The harsh truth is that black on black crime is rampant.... but it doesn't fit the "America is racist" plot so it is ignored.

[–]lemmysdaddy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Some asshat said "name one". OP did. I don't know how you are able to draw any conclusions about conservatives about this, but I'd say that it makes OP look fairly cooperative.

[–]Burkey -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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The amount of upvotes is quite alarming.