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What are the Sydney gunman's demands? (self.conspiracy)

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[–]Halowarskid -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (19子コメント)

I'm in Australia and have been following closely

They want to speak to the pm (will never happen)

They want an ISIS flag (no idea why)

The current Flag being displayed is a generic Islamist symbol adopted by various anti-Assad factions in Syrian civil war. Likelihood is the terrorists here used it in error, mistaking it for IS flag.

I swear if you fucks turn this into a conspiracy I'm gonna fucking cry.

[–]Flytape 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I swear if you fucks turn this into a conspiracy I'm gonna fucking cry.

It is a conspiracy subreddit, that's what we do here. If that twists your titties to the point of tears then you should be browsing a different subreddit.

Sincerely,

The fucks

[–]tommymurcadha[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He has a point in that trying desperately to turn something into a conspiracy is counter productive, distracting and makes a community look too idiotic to take seriously. In my case I had a specific example of something being hidden I was curious about, but I wasn't like staring into people's eyes on videos trying to determine if they were crises acting or some such rubbish that goes on elsewhere on this subreddit.

[–]Rockran 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Conspiracies should be based on evidence, not blind speculation.

[–]Halowarskid -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Der it's a conspiracy subreddit but your discrediting every conspiracy theorist in the world with random claims with no evidence.

[–]Flytape 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

If there is objective evidence then it has left the realm of theory and become something else.

Every conspiracy theorist in the world doesn't have to answer for the claims of one.

You're not your, in your context.

Thanks.

[–]Chris_knyfe -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's the joke. Like how starting the post with "Der" isn't correct grammar either.

[–]Flytape 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess I'll have to claim woosh.

[–]tommymurcadha[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

According to national news here three demands were issued but the police are asking the media to only report the flag and Tony Abbott call.

(From 2:40 on) http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=9%3A20697643%3A48%3A15%2D12%2D2014%3A

I'm just curious whether our national news's contact is full of shit or whether the third demand made on social media with those two got out.

[–]Halowarskid 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Why in the world are we not allowed to mention the tony call and the flag without getting down voted then? What was the third demand and what could be the reasoning for not reporting it?

[–]tommymurcadha[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The demands screenshot were shared somewhere else in the thread. Seems it's confirmation that he has bombs elsewhere in the city, but specifically he wanted it announced to his brothers not to blow up the bombs.

I hope they got the message and this attempt to avoid panic doesn't lead to more bloodshed.

[–]Halowarskid -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The police have confirmed they have no evidence of bombs.

[–]tommymurcadha[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well yeah, admission on its own isn't really evidence so that claim would be a factual statement.

[–]fellowmellow -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Can you prove this café stunt isn't a badly scripted false flag then?

Because that's what it looks like.

And what kind of terrorist takes over a café, for Christs sake?

[–]tommymurcadha[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This guy is looking for a platform to spread his message. He chose to take hostages in a café close to a news channel studio so guarantees he gets media coverage before the cops can set up a cordone. There would even be a great chance that some of the hostages would be staff from the news room and thus give the organisation an incentive to help him out despite the authorities wanting to push the "do not negotiate with terrorists" line. He's even using his hostages' social media accounts to send out going messages to help reduce how much the cops can block him from contacting the media.

[–]Halowarskid 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A terrorist who was possibly attempting to access the American consulate or the channel 7 news room which are both around the corner from the cafe. Earlier reports suggested he hastily moved onto the cafe after he was spotted by someone. Even if the cafe was the target it's still a pretty good option as it's in the heart of Sydney and is usually packed by wealthy office workers stopping for a bite.

It is up to the person making the claim to provide the evidence. Along with that there is no reason why the government would need to launch a false flag. I see posts on here saying it's because of the budget announcement which is so ridiculous it's unbelievable.

Every news channel I can find has also reported on the budget while keeping up to date with the hostage citation. If the governments plan was to get everyone watching the news while they report in the budget in between updates of the crisis then they did a DANM fine job.

More people know about the budget now then they ever would have if this hadn't occurred.

Not everything is a conspiracy, think rationally it helps.