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"Columbia Law School is permitting students claiming to be impaired due to the emotional impact of recent non-indictments in the Michael Brown and Eric Garner matters to postpone taking their final exams" (powerlineblog.com)

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[–]ser_arthur_dayne2L -6 ポイント-5 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Funny how people on this sub like to rail about how meaningless and stupid law school exams are, but when they read about a group of students they don't know and likely don't share a background with potentially taking exams a week later they say "ZOMGS but you can't be a LAWYER if you don't take CIV PRO when you were originally supposed to!!!"

I really don't have a problem with this, the article is presenting it in a pretty inflammatory way. The school has always had a procedure for postponing exams that they are making students aware of, this isn't some radical concession for a group that just doesn't feel like studying.

If you folks are upset because you can't understand how a student of color in NYC, location of the Garner non-indictment and a hotbed of demonstrations and conversation about institutional racism over the last few weeks, wouldn't be in a place emotionally where he or she can focus on freehold estates or the UCC right now, I'd encourage you to think a little more about it and maybe read some material online written by people in the black community reacting to recent events in Ferguson, NYC, Cleveland, etc. That will give you somewhat of a window into how these students are probably feeling.

If you don't think emotional trauma is a real thing or that they need to "suck it up" then I guess there's not much to talk to you about, but that line of thinking is ignorant and pretty harmful.

[–]Map428921L 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I think everyone understands how race significantly affects the way you're treated by law enforcement, classmates, teachers, society, etc. We also understand the (often extreme) reactions of protesters in places like Ferguson, and the underlying problems that have caused them. But it's difficult to have sympathy for anyone who hears a news story that has NOTHING directly to do with them (yes nothing, regardless of the color of your skin) and is "emotionally distressed" to the point of being given a postponement on exams. Do you think the sheer number of responses here are simply because we all just "don't get it"?

Props to you for having sympathy for anybody that's honestly considering doing this, that's more than I could have. This sub complains about how pointless law exams are but we all take them with our peers with the same advantage. I totally understand extreme emotional circumstances requiring your school to make accommodations for the sake of fairness and your own well-being. This is not an extreme circumstance at all, and I have serious doubts that it ever could be unless your last name is Garner.

Suck it the fuck up, you're going to be a professional.

[–]ser_arthur_dayne2L 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I think everyone understands how race significantly affects the way you're treated by law enforcement, classmates, teachers, society, etc.

a news story that has NOTHING directly to do with them (yes nothing, regardless of the color of your skin)

If you think the decisions about the police responsible for killing Eric Garner and Mike brown have nothing directly to do with every student of color, then you don't understand the impact of race here.

Publicly, twice in two weeks, these students have had the message sent to them that the law doesn't apply to police who kill people who look like them. (And not just Garner and Brown; Tamir Rice, John Crawford, Akai Gurley, etc.)

Do you think the sheer number of responses here are simply because we all just "don't get it"?

It is painfully obvious that most of the people in this thread haven't really thought about the effects of these events, and their broader history, on African American law students. Almost everyone here is looking at this issue completely from their own societal perspective.

[–]rekced2L 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Almost everyone here is looking at this issue completely from their own societal perspective.

How do you know this exactly? You are everywhere in this thread acting like you are above everyone else because you have all this empathy for the students that no one else has. A lot of us don't like seeing truly innocent people killed but that doesn't mean the rest of the world has to stop.

It is an unfair advantage for certain students to get exam extensions because they are "emotionally traumatized" by events that have little do to with them personally.

We get that you are better than everyone else in this thread, but your opinion is clearly in the minority on this.

[–]ser_arthur_dayne2L 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

How do you know this exactly?

Because most of the negative comments fail to truly address the effects that these students of color are communicating. Did you read the letters from students at Columbia or Harvard? Or did you just read the above article on a blog that thinks "breitbart.com" is worth linking to? Comparing the experience of black students right now to "reading something sad in the newspaper," reading about upsetting things in a textbook, or talking about racism in a crim law class illustrates a clear framing of the issue from the perspective of white students and a fundamental refusal to listen to the students who are communicating these requests. Your post is a good example:

A lot of us don't like seeing truly innocent people killed but that doesn't mean the rest of the world has to stop.

These students are clearly not simply upset because an innocent person has been killed, as I've stated in my other posts and as you can read from the letters that the students sent out, and asking to reschedule a law school exam isn't anywhere close to the rest of the world stopping. Characterizing it this way is simplistic and dismissive.

It is an unfair advantage for certain students to get exam extensions because they are "emotionally traumatized" by events that have little do to with them personally.

It is an unfair advantage for white students to be able to choose whether or not to think about or engage with this issue, especially in NYC where there are protests going on every day. Black law students do not have this choice; they are feeling that institutional racism and lack of accountability in policing means that the next victim could be one of them, or a friend or family member. Many people tell them that this feeling doesn't matter, and that they aren't allowed to be upset about it or "play the race card." Many people from their own communities are telling them they aren't doing enough to speak out from their positions as Ivy league law students.

This is hugely personal for them, even if it isn't for you. The advantage of a few extra days of study time is nothing compared to the advantage of not having to deal with the fact that people who look like you are routinely killed without any kind of process.

We get that you are better than everyone else in this thread, but your opinion is clearly in the minority on this

This is irrelevant bullshit.

[–]rekced2L 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The fact that you are being regularly downvoted in a sub that rarely downvotes should maybe tip you off that your tone is off-putting to say the least.

I do not agree that it is an unfair advantage for white students over blacks because of this issue. Like nearly everyone else has said, suck it the fuck up. I don't see how you could be in law school & not already know about these issues. It is absolutely unfair advantage to be able to gain more time to study for exams unless a person is going through actual emotional trauma.

This is not causing emotional trauma to these law students whether they are black, white, or green. You haven't convinced me & it doesn't appear that you've convinced anyone else in this thread.

[–]ser_arthur_dayne2L -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Lol at "you're being downvoted on Reddit so you must be wrong." I wonder why being in the majority opinion is so important to you.

Also you clearly still didn't read the student letters, even after I specifically mentioned it.

[–]rekced2L 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Actually I said your tone was off-putting not that you are wrong. Of course I do think you are wrong but not cause of the downvotes. I did read one of the letters & my stance is the exact same.

They should follow the dean's advice & go to a counselor if they are so "traumatized." Otherwise suck it up & try to affect change through the system.

[–]ser_arthur_dayne2L -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like nearly everyone else has said...

...your opinion is clearly in the minority on this.

...it doesn't appear that you've convinced anyone else in this thread.

...

...Of course I do think you are wrong but not cause of the downvotes.

Ok, sure.