How long until MRAs use this to "prove" all accusations are false accusations? (cnn.com)
againstmensrights
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63 comments submitted at 19:30:05 on Dec 5, 2014 by chewinchawingum
How long until MRAs use this to "prove" all accusations are false accusations? (cnn.com)
againstmensrights
9 ups - 0 downs = 9 votes
63 comments submitted at 19:30:05 on Dec 5, 2014 by chewinchawingum
> I honestly don't think that most people are objecting to getting consent, I just think that most people see it as a given... that you won't do things your partner doesn't want to do, and if you do it anyway, then it's obviously rape.
The problem is: How do you know this without consent?
And again, remember, affirmative consent does NOT mean that idiotic strawman you constantly set up - "always ask for every single step".
Affirmative consent means that you have to talk about your limits ONCE before doing what you want to do. And re-asking for that consent if the situation demands it.
You can't "know what your partner wants" when your partner is a unconscious body. You can't know what your partner wants when you just met that partner and ASSUME they want sex simply because of some ambiguous signals you think you have seen. You can't know whether they want sex again simply because you had it once already.
I totally agree.
I find it hard to believe that anyone would disagree, except for actual rapists, and I didn't think that there were that many actual rapists, and still don't.
I think the problem comes with how the media is relaying the message. What I've heard on the news and the radio lead us to believe that universities are requiring people to sign documents or use apps to document consent. I'm glad that's not the case because that's definitely NOT reasonable.
It's horrible how our media distorts things, but I don't really think that it's on purpose. I think it's just stupid people being stupid, giving even stupider people bad ideas.
>What I've heard on the news and the radio lead us to believe that universities are requiring people to sign documents or use apps to document consent.
You've been listening to anti-consent fear-mongers then. Most people who are advocating for enthusiastic affirmative consent are opposed to signing away consent in documents, it creates the scenario where the person could not withdraw it if necessary and also does nothing to educate people about what consent is.
Yeah, that makes sense. I wish the news was not run by idiots.