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Japan's done. Me next, please! (self.Christianity)

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There are many atheists and other people in Japan who don't accept Jesus as their personal savior. I'm glad to see Christians finally took initiative and prayed for Japan to be tsunami'd.

As some of you may be aware, I'm an Internet slacktivist and supporter of atheism working hard to shake the faith of religious people worldwide. While the Japanese are mostly indifferent to Jesus, I am vehemently opposed to the notion, concept and practice of Christianity. By your ideology, I feel I deserve to be smitten or worse.

Folks, I'd like to invite you to remind your deity of what a scumbag I am. If you manage to pray me to death, my girlfriend will post a "mission accomplished" notice. If I fall seriously ill, I'll post as soon as I'm able, or ask her to.

In the name of science (or God, whichever you believe in), thank you for your participation.

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[–]Orthodox Church in Americaoutsider 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (44子コメント)

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Some folks out there, WBC and Pat Robersonites I'm looking at you, probably did pray for some sort of earthquake or disaster to hit Japan. The rest of us by and large are praying, donating and working (some combination of those) for recovery efforts.

Why would we pray for your death? How about we pray for you to have decent health and success in life?

[–]NukeThePope[S] -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (43子コメント)

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Why would we pray for your death?

Because I'm a threat to your faith, so it would be the logical thing to do to want to stop me. But then again, if religious folk were logical...

[–]Orthodox Church in Americaoutsider 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (42子コメント)

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Because I'm a threat to your faith

No you aren't and even if you were it wouldn't be a reason to do what you suggest.

so it would be the logical thing to do to want to stop me.

No it'd be fallacious.

But then again, if religious folk were logical...

Says the dude who just made a few things up. ;)

[–]NukeThePope[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (41子コメント)

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You're going down, suckers. Your inability to see reality will be your undoing.

[–]Orthodox Church in Americaoutsider 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (40子コメント)

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Between the two of us I actually do science. Cheers! Maybe you should abandon the stereotypes you shield yourself with.

[–]StridentLobster 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (28子コメント)

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People can hold mutually contradictory ideas all the time. Just because you apply reason and critical thinking in one aspect of your life doesn't necessarily mean you apply it rigorously or consistently.

If you applied your critical, scientific faculties to your religious beliefs, they'd evaporate.

[–]Orthodox Church in Americaoutsider -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (27子コメント)

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People can hold mutually contradictory ideas all the time. Just because you apply reason and critical thinking in one aspect of your life doesn't necessarily mean you apply it rigorously or consistently. If you applied your critical, scientific faculties to your religious beliefs, they'd evaporate.

A little ahead of yourself there. I entered college an atheist and exited a Christian. If you applied critical thinking and actually tried to falsify your claims you would find that your claims would evaporate. Rather what you seem to do is you pronounce yourself correct and name-drop some concepts as a defense of your claim. It isn't much more than an appeal to authority.

[–]StridentLobster 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (26子コメント)

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If you actually had a logically defensible reason for your faith, you'd be the first.

[–]Orthodox Church in Americaoutsider -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (25子コメント)

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OK so I guess you're serving a tall order of deflection and oddly phrased sentences. First, point that critical eye on your beliefs and assumptions about others. If you can't do that, and you clearly have not, you aren't qualified to invent caricatures of others to fit a bigoted little mold you've devised for them.

[–]StridentLobster 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (24子コメント)

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Wow, super defensive, there! I'm sorry if my phrasing isn't to your taste, but I don't see what that has to do with the point I raised.

You seem to be forgetting that I don't have any metaphysical beliefs to turn a critical eye toward. I'm sure your default position with respect to the supernatural claims of hinduism, shamanism, dowsing, and astrology is the exact same as mine - disbelief until appropriate and confirming evidence is provided. That's simply the position i hold regarding christianity as well.

In short, I ain't deflectin' shit. I'm simply stating the facts: 1) if you have theistic beliefs, it's on you to provide evidence for them, and 2) no theistic claims yet presented - anywhere, anytime, ever - have met their burden of proof. Those aren't caricature or hyperbole - those are basic tenets or reason and history, respectively. If you were genuinely considered and reasoned atheist when you converted, you'd understand that only reason and evidence would be sufficient evidence for a critical, skeptical thinker to convert. The only assumption I've made in this entire conversation is that, since I've never seen evidence for the veracity of theistic claims, after the better part of a decade of actively looking at sources from Aquinas to Craig, that you're mistaken in your acceptance of them, and that dispassionate critical inquiry would allow you to correct that mistake.

By all means, present the evidence that led you to convert to christianity, and invalidate that assumption.

[–]NukeThePope[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

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Lots of other scientists were/are crazy too.

[–]Orthodox Church in Americaoutsider 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

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So basically there is the unfounded claim that I don't see reality (and I'd suppose you claim you do) and that scientists can be crazy (and I assume you are alluding to me being crazy). Clever.

[–]NukeThePope[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

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You're most definitely deluded. Any atheist would support this claim, and a billion Muslims. What I'm saying is that "doing science" is no way to prove that your world view is realistic.

[–]Orthodox Church in Americaoutsider -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

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You're most definitely deluded. Any atheist would support this claim, and a billion Muslims.

Only if you're in the habit of supporting claims which don't have evidence.

What I'm saying is that "doing science" is no way to prove that your world view is realistic.

What I'm saying is multipart. You don't know my world view, my subjective experiences or well anything about me. You have a plaster form of what Christian is to you and you project it on everyone even though from what I've seen it doesn't actually fit any person.

[–]NukeThePope[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

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I know that you believe in something that isn't true, and this is not just an opinion. Unlike gods in general, the concept of the god of Christianity has more holes in it than a bath sponge, and if you didn't keep your mind tightly compartmentalized against reason, you'd realize this. This much I know about you, with absolute certainty. And this is why I feel very secure in calling you deluded.

[–]avd007 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

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are you drunk?

[–]NukeThePope[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

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Nope. In a mildly silly mood, maybe.

[–]avd007 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Awesome. I like your style.

[–]bandpitdeviant 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

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Maybe you should have said you are a sodomite; that may have convinced them that you are worthy of smiting.

[–]NukeThePope[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Gotta remember that for nextime.

[–]kabas 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

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I will cast a nefarious spell on you.

:)

[–]NukeThePope[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

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Finally, someone with the decency to do evil if asked nicely! ;)

[–]kabas 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

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If you are harmed, Isis the god of Magic, exists.

:

right? ;)

[–]NukeThePope[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Damn, that's confounding the variables! If I'm harmed, was it Yahweh, Isis, or... ?

[–]Christian Universalistrainer511 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

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I'll pray that you have good health. That you and you're girlfriend might be happy together. And that even if you do have hard times ahead of you, that you may be able to find happiness from the simple gifts of life that you have been given.

[–]bandpitdeviant 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

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Come on, really? Do you really expect us to believe (do you even expect yourself to believe) that tonight when you get on your knees and pray that you'll be making a special plea to God on his behalf? Are you really saying that you are going to pray for an anonymous stranger whose name you don't even know? "Dear Lord, please bless NukeThePope..."

If you want to talk to your imaginary friends; fine. But don't expect to get away with throwing those words around like they mean nothing. It is as much a lie as it is patronizing and condescending.

[–]Christian Universalistrainer511 1 ポイント2 ポイント * (0子コメント)

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Do you really expect us to believe (do you even expect yourself to believe) that tonight...

No. I assumed I'd forget by the evening so I prayed on the spot. And I actually did remember that evening so I prayed then too.

It seemed like a Jesusy thing to do.

However, upon reflection it might've been more "Jesusy" if I didn't say anything at all and did it anyway.

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Hmm, maybe this post of mine will have a positive effect anyway. So long as you're praying for me, you're not harming anybody else.

[–]Roman Catholicfinisterra 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

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I'll pray for you, you're just lost!

[–]NukeThePope[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

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Meh. You're messing with my experiment. Not to mention your fictitious god's will.

[–]Raultor 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

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Being atheist doesn't mean you must harass and mock christians whenever you can. You just use the fact that you are atheist to feel superior, commiting the same fault religious extremists do. So, for your own good, stop acting like a douche when facing christians, you don't have a moral high ground to judge people.

I'm atheist, by the way.

[–]ultrawill 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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You mean: "stop acting like a christian when facing christians". There, all better.

[–]NukeThePope[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

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Being atheist doesn't mean you must harass and mock christians whenever you can.

My determination to do that comes not from being an atheist but from being aware of the problems caused by Christianity, and having an honest desire to attack these problems at their source.

you don't have a moral high ground to judge people.

I certainly do! The difference between me and you is that I don't support a worldwide organization that harms humanity. In fact, I'm trying to get y'all to stop doing that, which raises my ground even more.

[–]isayhialot222 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

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But you're just assuming that all Christians are alike. You look at fundamentalists and cry "religion is irrational and poisons the mind," and yet I look at you and could just as easily say "atheism makes you cynical." You argue that Christianity breeds nothing but problems for humanity, and yet here you are, an atheist, trying to create problems for no better reason than your own contempt for the religious. It may be that organized religions are corrupt, but then again so is democracy. An organization need not be perfect to remain valuable. So despite all the misery that a misguided number of "Christians" create in the world, there are just as many valuable contributions from many others.

You can't walk around thinking your atheism automatically gives you a ticket to judge Christians as immoral, when you're doing the exact same thing you're judging of us to be guilty of. You came here to see what kind of hateful things you could squeeze out of "the foolish who believe in God" and yet here we are wishing you the best, that you and I might learn together what life is all about. I know you don't believe, and I respect that. I don't think you're going to Hell for not believing, that's elitist and misguided. No, I think that despite your mistrust of the religious, as long as you remain a caring and loving person to all others, then all is well. That's all we ask and hope for this world, at least for some of us anyway.

[–]NukeThePope[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Your comment has infuriated me, and I'm really tempted to bash you over the head with the many incorrect assertions you've made. But I'm even more infuriated that my post is taking place in the isolated universe of a handful of mods and their sock puppets. I'm unwilling to waste my time on you.

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God, just like pretty much the whole internet, already knows how much of a douche you are. Having to be surrounded by you 24/7 is punishment enough, I'd wager.

[–]NukeThePope[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

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You know what's a douchebag? Removing a goddamn post from the public queue and then holding a moderator's private punishment party for the poster. I really wish there was a hell for you overbearing self-righteous pricks to end up in.

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You are aware that I'm not a mod, right? If I had been, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Just sayin'.

[–]NukeThePope[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

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If you're trying to tell me you're a bigger asshole than the mods: You didn't have to tell me that, I'm well aware of it.