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What happened to /r/atheismrebooted? (self.atheism)

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Why did they shut down?

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[–]spaceghoti 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (38子コメント)

Jamator gave up. He and /u/kishara didn't want to keep going and no one else was willing to take over. Certainly not me.

[–]Kishara 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (25子コメント)

I demodded and immediately after Jam closed the sub. We are in full agreement. We regret any inconvenience.

[–]Ex-theistfritzly 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

:/

damn, it was fun while it lasted

[–]Kishara 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hey fritz, it sure was! But it was past time. Good to see ya :)

[–]Ex-theistfritzly 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You too! I'll see you around here I guess now.

[–]spaceghoti 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (21子コメント)

I'm sorry it didn't work out. I had high hopes that you would be able to keep the place going after I left.

[–]Kishara -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (20子コメント)

It had devolved significantly recently and most of the original group has been gone for a long while. I do not regret the experience. I met some really nice atheists through rebooted but it was time something was done.

[–]Anti-Theistpaladin_ranger 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (19子コメント)

It had devolved significantly recently

How so, did only trolls show up there or what?

[–]Kishara -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (18子コメント)

The subreddit had seriously gone downhill in content and discussion. It was doing a disservice to any "genuine" subscribers that remained. Maintaining it in it's current state was not something we were willing to continue doing.

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[–]Anti-Theistpaladin_ranger 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (8子コメント)

The subreddit had seriously gone downhill in content and discussion.

But I'm confused, wasn't the point of the subreddit to not moderate such content?

[–]koronicus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which seems to speak to the efficacy of that particular moderation strategy if you ask me.

[–]AtheistTimeZarg 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

And you begin to see the problem. No matter what the intentions of the moderators or 'active' userbase are. . .an unmodded sub is likely to become a crappy one once it gets big enough. Moderation exists for a reason. Subs like /r/science and /r/askhistorians are high-quality because of excellent moderation. If you want low-quality content, there's plenty of subs for that. Just don't expect that a relatively unmoderated sub will continue churning out good content. The so-called 'user moderation' approach, relying entirely on people upvoting and downvoting, tends not to be enough.

[–]Anti-Theistpaladin_ranger 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm not concerned that its content wasn't up to par (I mean, the whole premise of the subreddit was a breakaway group that could easily attract trolls and so on), but rather that the execution of the sub seems to be against what it was supposed to be about.

[–]spaceghoti 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The point as I saw it was not about moderation versus no moderation but to make moderation accountable to the people participating in the sub. It was noisy and messy and not terribly efficient but it made people feel more like a community and less like feudal serfs being ruled by fiat. The feedback I received (minus the trolls) was largely positive until fiat was imposed and I left.

[–]imbrocata 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I had no idea moderation was SO intensive. We lost /r/atheism in the first place because it wasn't being actively moderated and a kind of coup took place and then.. /r/atheismrebooted.

I'm not sure how to feel in either situation with the criticism being levelled that both sites were falling prey to trolling and karma-whores as I have nothing but fond memories of either one. That is, I didn't realize anything was broken and I was enjoying both.

Does that make me an intellectual midget in everyone else's eyes or are there things going on behind the curtain that I'm not privy too, thus my view really is just fine?

[–]LiterallyAnscombe 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

There were still some good and interesting self-posts in there. Would you consider making it public, but locked out of having new contributions?

[–]Kishara 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You could ask Jam, my part in this is over. All three of us are pretty burned out on it at this point. I would not expect a positive result. Jam is a good guy, but even he has reached the limits of his patience.

[–]LiterallyAnscombe 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

From the looks of it all of his activity in the last year was in AR...

I'll try. But I think it might be best to give him time if he was in the fire that long. He's probably completely burned out by now.

[–]Kishara 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, let the poor guy rest. He was always active in modqueue etc and working behind the scenes with me. I did most of the public comment, but Jam was the one who dealt with the last endless round of "trolls r us" in modmail.

[–]Anti-TheistZuphCud -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Me, /u/charliecarwin2 and many others used to post quality stuff in /r/atheismrebooted, until you banned them for the lamest of reasons.

So for the deterioration of /r/atheismrebooted, I blame you, /u/kishara! You banhammered all the quality out of /r/atheismrebooted, you ungrateful fuck!

[–]Kishara 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I banned you for shitposting MSF bait to the sub. I would do it again in a heartbeat.

[–]Anti-TheistBurtonDesque 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (11子コメント)

He should have asked me!

[–]Knight of /newHelen_A_Handbasket 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Or any one of several of us who were "old" regulars there. I didn't know it was going to be shut down until I tried to look at it a few minutes ago and it was gone.

[–]spaceghoti 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It may not be too late. Message them and see.

[–]spaceghoti 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I agree.

[–]Ex-theistfritzly 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

wait, what really? Him?

[–]Thornnuminous 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Just throw the mentos in the diet coke, why don't you. You know those two can't stand each other.

[–]Kishara 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Thornnuminous, <3 Hi hun!

[–]Thornnuminous 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Hey doll! hug

[–]Kishara 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

So lovely to see you man, hope all is well in the Kingdom of Thornnuminous ?

[–]Thornnuminous 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh, things are fine, thanks. :-) Getting over a head cold, going to vote later.

You know, life.

[–]Kishara 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yupps. I am needing to go down and vote as well, but I somehow caught this blasted coughing plague that has been spreading throughout the land. Take wonderful care of yourself and I hope every good and kind thing comes your way :)

[–]Thornnuminous 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

right back atcha! Let's heal up together and exercise our civil responsibilities! :-D

[–]Anti-Theistpaladin_ranger 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm guessing that because we have linked images back on /r/atheism, there's not much more of a purpose of having the two.

[–]CharlieDarwin2 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was banned on that subreddit and still don't know why. I was posting good content. The mods must have been on some power trip. Funny how it failed.

[–]Anti-TheistZuphCud 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Were you banned by /u/kishara too?

[–]Anti-Theistpaladin_ranger 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Can't say. Perhaps they got infiltrated.

Nevermind.

[–]WibblyWobbly_[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Infiltrated by who?

[–]Anti-Theistpaladin_ranger 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nevermind, did you see the message?

"a message from the moderators of /r/atheismrebooted

"The moderators have decided this subreddit is no longer necessary. Please visit one of the many other forums listed in the /r/atheism sidebar."

[–]geophagus -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Couldn't say. I chose to stick with the original.

[–]WibblyWobbly_[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (20子コメント)

This place was good until the mods censored it.

[–]geophagus -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

In my opinion, it's a much better place since then.

[–]blacksheep998 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Better that the trolls are reduced, worse that at least some of the mods are assholes.

During the changeover I tried to talk to a couple of them and was told, in as many words, to 'go fuck myself'.

And not just from one of the mods. Several of them were nasty and abusive for absolutely no reason.

[–]spaceghoti 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

We still have trolls on the mod list. I doubt we'll ever be rid of them.

[–]PraiseBeToScience 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's unfortunate they are rather high up too. Given their egos and penchant for collecting subreddits, I'm afraid you're right. Modding them in the first place was one of the massive mistakes made during the drama and the least likely of them to get rectified.

[–]fsckit 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And the other is a bot.

[–]Anti-TheistJackRawlinson 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think being an asshole to some degree is just an inevitable part of wanting to be a mod in the first place. Same goes for people who want to be police officers, and for much the same reason.

That said, as far as asshole mods go, r/atheism's don't seem to be too bad, really. :-)

[–]Kishara 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think you can paint all mods with that broad of a brush. I genuinely have always believed moderation to be a position of service to a community as a whole. I did what I could to help maintain the rebooted community under the rules that had been agreed on, even if at times I found things that I personally objected to.

I will admit it became disheartening to keep playing whack a troll over and over again, while also seeing unsuspecting members become unwitting targets. In the end I felt accountable for the pervasive negative behavior that had infected the subreddit and preyed on some of our more naive members. I could not, in all good conscience, continue to enable this cycle.

[–]Knight of /newDudesan -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Not sure if trolling, or just unaware of what the word "censor" means.

[–]Gnostic AtheistRetrikaethan 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (11子コメント)

well, i have consistently seen mods delete posts which don't exactly adhere to the guidelines they have. not sure if that constitutes censoring but it's something.

[–]Knight of /newDudesan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

For example?

[–]Gnostic AtheistRetrikaethan 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (9子コメント)

many posts which have a photo linked in the title, i don't have any offhand but i can certainly find one or two on my comment history if you'd like.

[–][deleted] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

and why hasn't it happened to r/atheismplus? Their front page: 24 days worth of posts for a total of 55 comments. Mwah!

edit: 25 days of posts, 55 total comments, 13/25 posts have zero comments - Mwah!

[–]koronicus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

<3

If you need us, we'll just be over there doing our own thing with absolutely no regard for how you feel about it. Mwah!

(PS: Take Elsa's advice.)

[–]goats_are_orange -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

rebooted one too many times causing data loss.